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Equipment Boards => Radical => Topic started by: CoorZero on June 13, 2017, 11:34:41 AM
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http://radicalbowling.com/balls/quick-fix
http://radicalbowling.com/balls/tremendous
Quick Fix is supposed to be stronger on the backend than the Fix so it's probably cleaner as well. The Tremendous is the original Guru with a new name and look but at a lower price point. Same core and coverstock. Interesting.
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Seriously? The tremendous is a tremendous joke.... Come up with something original.... Dang
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Does anyone just watch the videos for Keanu Revs?
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;D
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Does anyone just watch the videos for Keanu Revs?
That's when I stop the video.
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I found the Guru original rather overrated and a big disappointment. Maybe Phil and the guys got this one right in its second incarnation.
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At first glance, the Tremendous doesn't look different than the Guru. Maybe on the shelf it will, but it's a black dull ball either way. I wouldn't call the name change a change in look.
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At first glance, the Tremendous doesn't look different than the Guru. Maybe on the shelf it will, but it's a black dull ball either way. I wouldn't call the name change a change in look.
Yeah, looking back it does appear that the shades of black are similar. Lighting in the pictures was just a bit different. I thought the Tremendous was a bit lighter in coloring but it's not. Strange decision by Radical.
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At first glance, the Tremendous doesn't look different than the Guru. Maybe on the shelf it will, but it's a black dull ball either way. I wouldn't call the name change a change in look.
Yeah, looking back it does appear that the shades of black are similar. Lighting in the pictures was just a bit different. I thought the Tremendous was a bit lighter in coloring but it's not. Strange decision by Radical.
I think the intent is to offer a ball that was extremely popular (at least in my area it was) at a lower price point. There's a large amount of bowlers who want the best bang for the buck and this will fall into that category. Its not uncommon nowadays for people to wait for balls to go on closeout or prices to drop to buy new stuff, and this gives people an opportunity to get that high performance ball at the lower price while its still new to the market.
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I posted this on another message, but it really belongs here....
LOL! Yes, this is hilarious to me and “Tremendous-ly†disappointing at the same time. I would have liked to believe that Radical was listening to their customers.
Let’s take a “Ridiculous†look at the situation regarding Radical’s two new balls. Who in the world was asking for another Guru after five iterations of the same ball?
Remember this?... Guru, Guru Mighty, Guru Master, Guru Supreme, and the Guru Limited. Five of them. Now they are trying to give bowlers the new “Tremendous�! That is just plain and simply, RIDICULOUS! LOL.
Now the “QUICK FIX†is worse than the “Tremendous†to me. In my opinion, it’s a tremendously bad idea. Radical did their best to try to tell everyone that the “FIX†was the ball for all good bowlers because you could drill it any way you wanted for a specific reaction out of the ball. Symmetric or Asymmetric, you could get it drilled any way you wanted for that desired reaction. It didn’t matter because it was supposed to be the one ball for all. Yes, the “FIX†would solve your issue on the lanes. One ball for all!
Now they come out with the “QUICK FIXâ€, which is supposed to give you a quicker response in the back of the lane. WAIT, Radical! Just wait! Didn’t you try to tell us that your “FIX†would be quick off the dry based upon certain drillings? Wow!
Now you give bowlers the “QUICK FIX� It sound like someone is trying to make some quick “CASH†and it’s just tremendously obvious that the "fix" is in for those ball junkie bowlers, who just love to buy new equipment. LOL!
Say this like Eddie Murphy when he was imitating Ricky Ricardo from the old I Love Lucy shows….
Ah, HA, HA, HA… It’ just a “RIDICULOUSâ€!!!
Peace!
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Too funny how you put the post, but well thought out. ;D
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I never threw the Guru, so might try it out. :)
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So, if y'all are right, all they did was make some more gurus and put a different label on them?
EXACTLY the same?
Same cover, same core, same specs?
Doesn't that, under the strictest terms, define fraud?
I ain't trying to start something, but if they are selling the EXACT same thing, and calling it something else, is that even legal?
I'm ok with it personally, but is everybody, INCLUDING THOSE WHO GO AROUND LOOKING TO BE LITIGIOUS, going to let it go?
Hope so.
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So, if y'all are right, all they did was make some more gurus and put a different label on them?
EXACTLY the same?
Same cover, same core, same specs?
Doesn't that, under the strictest terms, define fraud?
I ain't trying to start something, but if they are selling the EXACT same thing, and calling it something else, is that even legal?
I'm ok with it personally, but is everybody, INCLUDING THOSE WHO GO AROUND LOOKING TO BE LITIGIOUS, going to let it go?
Hope so.
How does this affect cover and core differences on balls with names of older equipment?
Is it fraud to sell a Green Quantum that isn't exactly the same as the original?
I understand the renaming to the Tremendous to fit in the price range they wanted. Which goes to show Radical must not classify equipment by performance, but by price. And to be honest, I couldn't care less about Radical.
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Radical is saying the cover for the Tremendous is slightly different (more responsive and more continuous???) than the original Guru.
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Now you give bowlers the “QUICK FIX� It sound like someone is trying to make some quick “CASH†and it’s just tremendously obvious that the "fix" is in for those ball junkie bowlers, who just love to buy new equipment. LOL!
Now why would you single out Radical.All ball companies are doing the same thing trying to make cash as fast as they can.New balls every three months give me a break.Its all a farce.But if bowlers are stupid enough to fall in the trap you cant blame the companies.
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Ok, so I have thrown 900 Global since their first release. The Break. Compared to the Black Widow back in the day. 10 years later, that core is still in the line, and it just works. They more than made their money from it, and now allow it to be sold for less, but you will not find a 900 Global fan that doesn't like the Break core. You drill an Ops and you KNOW what you're going to get.
Now, when it comes to higher end stuff, it starts getting more tricky. Ball companies feel the need to refresh their lines, but in reality, the tried and true balls only come out of the fray when others fail. I love the SRC core, which gives me a different reaction than the Break, but it's good for me. The Train core... not so much. Bounty core, not so much.
I respect Motiv for maintaining a set release schedule and having a purpose for each ball. They seem very thought out, and a lot of their balls have been in the line for more than a year. Shock, Remix, Paranoia, all been out for much more than a year. That says something for them. They get rid of one reaction for a condition, and replace it with something that is better.
The release schedule is a thing of a past for most companies. Now it's just like "Let's see how much crap we can throw at the wall and see what sticks."
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+1 I was just thinking the other day about this.All companies have a core that just plain works.Black ops Masterminds Hyroads Gamebreaker.Those are about all you need.Great cores and glad they are still using them.Those four balls are all winners in my book.As far as the Guru seems to be Radicals good selling core.I see no reason not to keep it in the line.Especially at a cheaper price.The Black ops at 109 is a no brainer for a asymmetrical.
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I literally have thought to just have a bag with a black, Special, Desert and now a Covert Ops. Let's keep things simple!!
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Couldn't agree more; So confusing the AMOUNT of balls that are released each year.... So glad that I'm over my ball whore and complete arsenal issue.
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Personally, I think the core that's used in the Yeti series, Reax V2 series, Reax Gusto, and Xeno series is the best performing one especially for a tournament bowler.
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I found the Guru original rather overrated and a big disappointment. Maybe Phil and the guys got this one right in its second incarnation.
It was our number 1 selling ball of all time. Guess it didn't match up to your game or needed to be drilled differently. It was the strongest ball on the market when we released it.
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At first glance, the Tremendous doesn't look different than the Guru. Maybe on the shelf it will, but it's a black dull ball either way. I wouldn't call the name change a change in look.
Yeah, looking back it does appear that the shades of black are similar. Lighting in the pictures was just a bit different. I thought the Tremendous was a bit lighter in coloring but it's not. Strange decision by Radical.
I think the intent is to offer a ball that was extremely popular (at least in my area it was) at a lower price point. There's a large amount of bowlers who want the best bang for the buck and this will fall into that category. Its not uncommon nowadays for people to wait for balls to go on closeout or prices to drop to buy new stuff, and this gives people an opportunity to get that high performance ball at the lower price while its still new to the market.
Bingo!
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At first glance, the Tremendous doesn't look different than the Guru. Maybe on the shelf it will, but it's a black dull ball either way. I wouldn't call the name change a change in look.
Yeah, looking back it does appear that the shades of black are similar. Lighting in the pictures was just a bit different. I thought the Tremendous was a bit lighter in coloring but it's not. Strange decision by Radical.
I think the intent is to offer a ball that was extremely popular (at least in my area it was) at a lower price point. There's a large amount of bowlers who want the best bang for the buck and this will fall into that category. Its not uncommon nowadays for people to wait for balls to go on closeout or prices to drop to buy new stuff, and this gives people an opportunity to get that high performance ball at the lower price while its still new to the market.
that makes zero sense...it's not "new" to the market, there's been 5 gurus already and its not even that much of a discount, guru were $154 so this saves you 14 bucks? maybe if it was like $124 i could see a true "at a discount" aspect
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If there is one thing I have learned in all my years ( nearly 30) in the industry and especially during the current social media phase is the Haters will always hate and apologist will always apologize, because they feel social media has given them the right.
We asked our customers, consumers, pro shop and distributors about products in the market, not just ours but the markets and one common thread was to take the Guru core and offer it at a reduced price, just like other companies do, reason, those that had one wanted another and those that missed out would love to try one at a reduced price.
Looking at the competition, I see the same core coming out on the market under different names with and apparently that is ok. We did it with the Xeno and the Xeno pearl and had success so why all the hoopla about the Tremendous. Its not like we don't do new and innovative cores throughout the year.
The Quick Fix takes the most innovative core on the market and gets a new cover technology, we do have new covers developed throughout the year, its a new generation of the formulas we had so why not showcase it on a proven core.
I'm not sure why this thread went the way it did, but like a said in the beginning Haters will always hate and apologist will always apologize.
Those that support Radical I thank you, those that don't, oh well, maybe you should try it before you criticize what we do, we are customer friendly.
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Wow!
Hey Newguy! I am glad that you actually take the time out of your schedule to reply to some of our silly posts. To me, that shows that you have a listening ear out for your customers. I personally want to thank you for the work that you and others are doing at Radical. Keep up the good work!
I own the Guru, the Guru Mighty, and the Gusto. And I will be a Radical fan for a long time.
Needless to say, but I personally would have liked to have seen something “newer†from Radical during this season’s releases. I am sure that you and your team are confident that the two new releases will do well for your company.
However, I would love to see your company do something with Cash series of balls. More specifically, have you considered a pearl or a hybrid in the line? Although, the Guru is more than enough ball for me, I have heard great things about the Cash and would love to see Radical put out something else in that line.
Anyway, thanks for the time and consideration.
By the way, please don’t come out with a “Tremendous-ly Limited†or “Quick Fix-R-Upperâ€. It might not look good. LOL! :)
Peace!
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that makes zero sense...it's not "new" to the market, there's been 5 gurus already and its not even that much of a discount, guru were $154 so this saves you 14 bucks? maybe if it was like $124 i could see a true "at a discount" aspect
Bowling ball companies have been doing this SUCCESSFULLY for a long long time. What are your comments on Storms re-release of the Marvel Pearl? Its literally the same ball. Wanna know something even crazier??? Its actually MORE expensive today than it was when it originally came out. I hope you are over on the Storm forum questioning their marketing tactics as well, cause you know, nobody is gonna buy a re-released Marvel Pearl for $170 right?? That's sarcasm if you didn't catch on.
And just for arguments sake, currently, comparable high end balls are going for anywhere from $165 to $180 online. So $140 price tag on a ball that STILL has a higher hook rating than most of them is a definitely good bang for your buck.
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My original Guru with double thumb layout has been my favorite of all time. It's always in the bag. My regret is that I never got a second one. I did have a Mighty and a Master, but they didn't match up as well for me. Now I can get another; thank you, Phil and Mo. It's a "tremendous" opportunity!
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Wouldnt REDUNDANT have been a better name than TREMENDOUS?
Or, maybe, if it's a GURU, just say so. Don't call it something else, because it isn't.
Phil, I really liked your old Track stuff, and your Dynothane "SOAKER" coverstock is legendary, so you got some chops man. We get it, your good at this, REAL good.
And maybe that's it. Maybe we've gotten used to you being really edgy, really innovative, and really fresh.
Maybe we expect more than just relabeled rehashingly deceptive releases from you.
You guys are supposed to be innovators. Innovators innovate. Do that instead.
WOW, wouldn't that be RADICAL? And AWESOME? And what you're known for?
Cmon guys, don't get defensive, get busy.
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For what it's worth I don't really care that the Tremendous is the Guru, just thought it was an interesting/strange decision by Radical to do so. It's not like there isn't enough "new" stuff hitting the market otherwise. Being so transparent about it is actually nice.
Have conditions and coverstock technologies really changed enough that a Guru now (the Tremendous) is considered a step below the strongest balls when it was one of the strongest balls on the market when it came out a bit under 3 short years ago?
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Wouldnt REDUNDANT have been a better name than TREMENDOUS?
Or, maybe, if it's a GURU, just say so. Don't call it something else, because it isn't.
I don't care what he calls it. For me, the original Guru was one of the better oilers I've ever owned. I'll still take it out of my bag before my Storm Sure Lock. I haven't been wowed by everything Radical, but the Guru was special to a lot of bowlers, so why not bring it back? I'd rather plop my money down on a known and proven ball than new "innovation" that turns out to be $230 of drilled hype.
Go easy. Radical churns out their share of bleeding edge stuff.
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Wouldnt REDUNDANT have been a better name than TREMENDOUS?
Or, maybe, if it's a GURU, just say so. Don't call it something else, because it isn't.
Phil, I really liked your old Track stuff, and your Dynothane "SOAKER" coverstock is legendary, so you got some chops man. We get it, your good at this, REAL good.
And maybe that's it. Maybe we've gotten used to you being really edgy, really innovative, and really fresh.
Maybe we expect more than just relabeled rehashingly deceptive releases from you.
You guys are supposed to be innovators. Innovators innovate. Do that instead.
WOW, wouldn't that be RADICAL? And AWESOME? And what you're known for?
Cmon guys, don't get defensive, get busy.
You are right we could have named it a guru and raised the price like some of the other companies do, or we could have just reused the core and hide it like some other companies do. I decided to change the cover to the newest resins we have (guru cover is several years old) and give the consumer a price break since the tooling is already paid for. Sounds like the issue is with the name. I really can't get too upset over someone not liking the name, its all about performance. By the way there is no deception here we told everyone its the Guru Core.
I look at the big picture, even years down the road and learn from every launch, what we learn from this will be used in the future, you are right about one thing I have some "chops" you are wrong about me getting complacent, the cover is innovative and the best way to test it is on a proven core.
I hope you get to open up a bit and see how we do things. We have always been the innovators and always will. Look at the other guys, they are the ones that are doing the same things over and over and calling it something else or calling it the same thing and charging more!
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Well said Phil, that's all it is, 'Same Ole recycled technology'.
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You are right we could have named it a guru and raised the price like some of the other companies do, or we could have just reused the core and hide it like some other companies do. I decided to change the cover to the newest resins we have (guru cover is several years old) and give the consumer a price break since the tooling is already paid for. Sounds like the issue is with the name. I really can't get too upset over someone not liking the name, its all about performance. By the way there is no deception here we told everyone its the Guru Core.
I look at the big picture, even years down the road and learn from every launch, what we learn from this will be used in the future, you are right about one thing I have some "chops" you are wrong about me getting complacent, the cover is innovative and the best way to test it is on a proven core.
I hope you get to open up a bit and see how we do things. We have always been the innovators and always will. Look at the other guys, they are the ones that are doing the same things over and over and calling it something else or calling it the same thing and charging more!
I gotcha.
If you actually changed the cover formula, then it IS different, and thus the different name.
Cores get reused all the time, and that's understandable, as you've given the perfect example in saying there is no better way to showcase a different covers abilities than to put it on a proven core.
The only name issue there was, was in the possible existence of EXACTLY the same ball with just a different label. This, according to you, is NOT the case.
Sorry if you took my post as a personal affront, it was not meant that way. Rather, it was actually meant as a praise for you and the things you have developed and achieved in the industry, and to register my wonder at you re-releasing a ball with simply a name change, which you have explained is NOT what was done.
Carry on my good man, and as always, let those creative juices flow. Nothing more intriguing than when a really smart, really good, really innovative dude gets his mojo on.
How RADICAL is that? 🎳
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You are right we could have named it a guru and raised the price like some of the other companies do, or we could have just reused the core and hide it like some other companies do. I decided to change the cover to the newest resins we have (guru cover is several years old) and give the consumer a price break since the tooling is already paid for. Sounds like the issue is with the name. I really can't get too upset over someone not liking the name, its all about performance. By the way there is no deception here we told everyone its the Guru Core.
I look at the big picture, even years down the road and learn from every launch, what we learn from this will be used in the future, you are right about one thing I have some "chops" you are wrong about me getting complacent, the cover is innovative and the best way to test it is on a proven core.
I hope you get to open up a bit and see how we do things. We have always been the innovators and always will. Look at the other guys, they are the ones that are doing the same things over and over and calling it something else or calling it the same thing and charging more!
I gotcha.
If you actually changed the cover formula, then it IS different, and thus the different name.
Cores get reused all the time, and that's understandable, as you've given the perfect example in saying there is no better way to showcase a different covers abilities than to put it on a proven core.
The only name issue there was, was in the possible existence of EXACTLY the same ball with just a different label. This, according to you, is NOT the case.
Sorry if you took my post as a personal affront, it was not meant that way. Rather, it was actually meant as a praise for you and the things you have developed and achieved in the industry, and to register my wonder at you re-releasing a ball with simply a name change, which you have explained is NOT what was done.
Carry on my good man, and as always, let those creative juices flow. Nothing more intriguing than when a really smart, really good, really innovative dude gets his mojo on.
How RADICAL is that? 🎳
thank you, not taken personally just explaining what we do and why. Thanks again
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Thanks for the information Phil. Any chance of a replacement for the Rack Attacks? By the time I got around to getting one I couldn't find a Solid in 15lbs
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We are working on a better version. Can't say when but we are working on it.
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Interesting...
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we need to keep our supporters happy so they don't switch and become kool-ade drinkers...Lol
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Well, if you roll lighter than 14 lbs, and wanted to roll one of the Gurus, now you finally can
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Radical Quick fix
First of all let me tell you a little about me.
I'm a stroker. Pap of 5" over. Ball speed around 15 mph. Rev rate around 300 Rpms. I'm also left handed. My choice of layout was 65 x 5 1/4 x 40. With factory finish. ( Layout A )
This layout in this ball gets down the lanes very easily with continuation on the backend. It doesn't read the mids to early or to hard. It allows me to keep my target in front of me. Until the lanes open up. I think this is a great ball and layout for your typical house shot.
Robert Way
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just ordered my quick fix from the PSO, and going with an AYSM layout, not sure which one yet.
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I love Radical Kool-Aid and I just bought a Tremendous! I have found that I match up to most of the Radical bowling balls that's been produced and will continue to be a fan of Phil and Mo! Does the name really make a difference? I've always wanted the original Guru and missed out. Now I get a chance with the new and improved Guru and I think it's Tremendous!! Thanks Phil and Radical