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Equipment Boards => Radical => Topic started by: 12XSECH on May 19, 2013, 06:56:02 PM
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Tournament today on the dead mans curve pattern. First practice shot with Reax I tried straight up the 5 board (I knew this was out of bounds) ball went straight for the 10 pin like a plastic ball would. I ended that test real quick and moved in...2nd arrow...nothing...The only playable shot was between 2nd and 3rd arrow with slower then normal speeds. By game 2 the pattern opened up a bit and was able to get decent reaction, 3rd game the ball worked better and was able to play up 10. "OIL MONSTER"? Im not so sure about. On the house shot in my league the ball was a beast, on the dead mans curve pattern....It was OK....but to be fair nobody, no ball had a great reaction in game one.
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Not sure what to say, but I ran into a similar situation once with my Defiant. None of the balls anyone was using at this specific house looked good in the 1st game. 2nd game, pattern opened up a little bit, and then 3rd game even a little more.
In our case, it turned out that the pair was not stripped/reoiled properly. Instead, we had double the volume of oil than what we were supposed to have.
Now everything I've heard is that the Reax is supposed to be a really strong piece. Not sure if bad lane maintenance had anything to do with it. But, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities in my opinion.
The only other possibility I can think of is maybe the Reax was starting to burn up too much in the mids.
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Let me ask, did any other ball move at your original line? Ive been pissed a few times about how my new hook monster doesnt move, then go back to go to another ball to see it be as straight as an arrow. Reax for me was not a backend monster like the videos, but it hooked alot when nothing else did. I still have room for a hole, but I cant just drill one before I get more games on it. I consider it a very heavy oil ball.
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Welcome to a lefties world for soaked tournament conditions. What we call FTL.
Always softening up the speed and remembering....there are really no oil balls if they want to soak.
Remember, Soak, point and float. Remember if you were on the left a condition like you described can last 8 or more games if alone! But they are playable!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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I switched to my nightmare for a few shots in game two. Decent reaction but nothing great. I was determined to get the reax to work so i went back to it. And it was ok. . . The deadmans curve has more out of bounds then most other patterns and this was my first time on that pattern. I had the nightmare at 2000 and the reax in OOB. It is possible it was burning up but during league play on kegel stone street (modified, more oil volume) it didnt have that problem.
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I wish I could comment on named patterns, I havent done anything other than THS in 3 years. All I can say is that my Friday house was super inconsistent, but generally higher volume. I had an amazing look all year with a Slant Hybrid, a Slant HD, and DV8 Marauder. Marauder hooked way too much at the other house, which I struggled all year with. I had an average reversal between the 2. The Reax was way more ball than the others, and Im sure the surface played a role. Ive got very low tilt, can vary rotation, medium speed and revs. I think my tilt is what killed the backend. High end covers worked Friday, weak covers were better on Mondays.
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There are patterns out there that can make a $200 oil monster into a plastic ball OOB. Dead Man's Curve is a lot of oil(especially the 50ml version), 43 ft and more OOB than usual sport patterns. Playing the ball up 5 with the OOB surface wasn't very smart to begin with unless you have a ton of hand, (it's called an Out Of Bounds for a reason). If you apply more surface to the ball on that pattern, I'm pretty sure that the ball will have a much better reaction than you did. 500, 1500 ain't gonna get it on dead mans curve. You would need something like 800 or lower and even then you wouldn't be able to cover boards.
Using the rule of -31, your exit point for that pattern should have been somewhee around 12 maybe further in and Mo's method would keep your exit point at 11 looking at the bar graph of the pattern. Try the surface adjustment first, that should allow you to have a better reaction.
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I'm bowling on a 48 foot flat pattern, and wouldn't expect to be able to play wherever I want with my most hooking ball. I would have played the lanes and what they give me. The Reax hooks a ton, but you can't play the lanes wrong.
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James...I said I tried up the 5 board on first practice shot,,,,to see what happened. I didnt play there...I also said i know its out of bounds. My shot ended up being 3rd arrow or 2 boards to the right...Had decent reaction but that was about it. Thursday Night I use it again on Kegel modified Stone Street.. Will have another look at it.
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James...I said I tried up the 5 board on first practice shot,,,,to see what happened. I didnt play there...I also said i know its out of bounds. My shot ended up being 3rd arrow or 2 boards to the right...Had decent reaction but that was about it. Thursday Night I use it again on Kegel modified Stone Street.. Will have another look at it.
I figured your were in practice when you tried up 5. If it sounded like I was bashing, my apologies. All I'm saying is, you may want to apply more surface to play the tighter patterns. Whenever I use mine and I know what the sport pattern is, I apply a lower grit surface than box dependant on the amount of units on the lanes. If its just a heavy THS then I'll leave it at box. As an old timer told me, "Until they make a ball with cleats, no ball can hook through oil."
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re Cleats Well said Righty!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Righty,
Ever seen how big TEC particles were? La Nina? That ball had WHISKERS! Closest thing to cleats that I have ever seen!
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Lol! Yea, Doom had a Chaos and an El Nino. But if I apply 45 ft, 1:1 from 1 board to 1 board and no buffer and a high number of units, you'll have a pretty expensive plastic ball in your hands. And yes you are right. Closet thing to cleats you could get. But everyone wants back end so covers have to go 60 ft before they hook. I miss balls like those.
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Personally, the big particle balls are just fine being dead. Riptide, Tombstone, La Nina, Trauma Response, Chaos... all of them!
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Righty,
Where is there a link to Mo's method for playing patterns.
I'm still sort of skickering. Oh to be a righty on heavy oil. Not much knowledge needed as the shot opens up so quick.
Of course, oh yes to be a lefty on a league top hat blend, I know as the shot stays so static!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Oh LL, don't start the left vs right thing!
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I was determined to get the reax to work so i went back to it.
Why?
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LL,
Here's the link:
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_read_an_oil_pattern_graph
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Adjusting speed, tilt, rotation, and ball roll are all the fine arts of bowling on a tougher condition. Whatever ball, surface, hand position, and release you have to use to get the ball to face up (Or fall back) is what you do. If you had to throw it slower, so what? It's not your THS. If you had to use charcoal, so what? If you had to play up 14 all night, so what? This is how you get better.
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Adjusting speed, tilt, rotation, and ball roll are all the fine arts of bowling on a tougher condition. Whatever ball, surface, hand position, and release you have to use to get the ball to face up (Or fall back) is what you do. If you had to throw it slower, so what? It's not your THS. If you had to use charcoal, so what? If you had to play up 14 all night, so what? This is how you get better.
+1.
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Adjusting speed, tilt, rotation, and ball roll are all the fine arts of bowling on a tougher condition. Whatever ball, surface, hand position, and release you have to use to get the ball to face up (Or fall back) is what you do. If you had to throw it slower, so what? It's not your THS. If you had to use charcoal, so what? If you had to play up 14 all night, so what? This is how you get better.
There's no room for logic in these forums. Reported to moderator. :D
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Adjusting speed, tilt, rotation, and ball roll are all the fine arts of bowling on a tougher condition. Whatever ball, surface, hand position, and release you have to use to get the ball to face up (Or fall back) is what you do. If you had to throw it slower, so what? It's not your THS. If you had to use charcoal, so what? If you had to play up 14 all night, so what? This is how you get better.
Precisely. I do wonder why it's preferable to throw "a certain ball" as opposed to "the one that strikes".
That applies to zones on the lanes (arrows to breakpoint) too.
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Impending,
Oh was there a long post on right vs left out here recently.
My comments are because I have never seen a Righty of any level on any pair I have ever been on tear up a first game on a flat wet pattern of any tournament. But soon the shot comes to them. Usually by the second game. Friction.
Also, very few lefties. In addition the low rg high diff hook monsters are very seldom the answer either.
On the left, again I am aware of the what the righties say about us...if many bowlers are throwing up the port side.
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS I think a Brunswick Strikeking might nr a super flat oil ball, hmm? A Reax a super league heavy oil ball 10 to 10.
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The game is played different left to right. 2 different games played on the same lane. Accept it and move on.
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Adjusting speed, tilt, rotation, and ball roll are all the fine arts of bowling on a tougher condition. Whatever ball, surface, hand position, and release you have to use to get the ball to face up (Or fall back) is what you do. If you had to throw it slower, so what? It's not your THS. If you had to use charcoal, so what? If you had to play up 14 all night, so what? This is how you get better.
There's no room for logic in these forums. Reported to moderator. :D
Dang it. Me and my smart mouth.
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Impending,
Oh was there a long post on right vs left out here recently.
My comments are because I have never seen a Righty of any level on any pair I have ever been on tear up a first game on a flat wet pattern of any tournament. But soon the shot comes to them. Usually by the second game. Friction.
Also, very few lefties. In addition the low rg high diff hook monsters are very seldom the answer either.
On the left, again I am aware of the what the righties say about us...if many bowlers are throwing up the port side.
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS I think a Brunswick Strikeking might nr a super flat oil ball, hmm? A Reax a super league heavy oil ball 10 to 10.
Only for like the last 40 years... Not long. :p
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Oh LL, don't start the left vs right thing!
Ok I will.
The Right side has it easier than the Left side when talking this much oil.
You have many more Righties to help break the shot down than us Lefties do. Most of the time we are left to our own devices.
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What if a lefty found a way to line up in the first 5 shots of the pattern? Then theoretically he wouldn't have to move until the righties crossed into his track in the later blocks. It goes both ways. The left/right debate is just stupid. Bowlers just bowl.
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How many lefties do you know that wreck the shim?
My point exactly.
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What if a lefty found a way to line up in the first 5 shots of the pattern? Then theoretically he wouldn't have to move until the righties crossed into his track in the later blocks. It goes both ways. The left/right debate is just stupid. Bowlers just bowl.
Dp I know this.
I was just giving Doom some crap. ;)
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Very slippery, and stays that way, 7 8 9 games on the Flat. Remember less friction on the lane bed itself.
But scorable.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Damn lefties giving me grief.
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Damn lefties giving me grief.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D