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Equipment Boards => Radical => Topic started by: 3835 on January 08, 2015, 10:42:41 AM
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Newguy,
Was looking into some Radical products and am very interested in the Guru and Untamed. With the Scoop technology I know how much of a swing drilling the pin under does compared to pin over, but does drilling the Guru or Untamed RICO get the fingers up high enough to miss some/most of the scoop and not effect the diff as much as someone who would put the pin just under the fingers?
If you are wondering why I would RICO a Guru, its the roll I like out of the drilling. I have always stuck with the thought of find a drill or 2 that you like, drill different balls so you get a different look/different cover to help make your moves.
Any help is appreciated!
3835
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TTT....
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In my opinion, if you like the reaction you get out of this layout, the Guru will merely give you a strong overall reaction
Keep in mind, the premise behind the 'Rico' layout is much of the core remains intact after initial drilling, increasing the overall reaction once the weight hole is added...
The layout merely enhances a bowling balls overall reaction
Hope this helps
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Ric,
Thanks for the response. I wondered if the layout would have any difference because of the Scoop technology. I thought the intention was to keep as much of the core intact as possible....just didn't know what the effects were on the different type core in the Guru or the other Radical Scoop equipment.
Very much appreciated!
3835
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After seeing the video thats been put out now twice about the Guru and with Ric stating the Rico drilling is to give you a strong overall reaction, who would need anything stronger than the drilling recommended by the manufacturer? The Guru already appears to be one of the most if not most strongest reacting ball. A Guru on steroids. I can't imagine it. I would like to still see if Phil responds to your original post and maybe have one tested with a Rico driling on in.
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The layout is generally only in the 10-15% of reaction after surface...so it's not going to increase that much...it'd be like a 3 wood to a driver
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Thanks for the info...and I never said I wanted a stronger Guru...just wondering if there would be any unforseen issues with using a RICO drill because of the Scoop.
I was worried about drilling out too much of the scoop and lessening the diff...not looking to make it stronger, just didn't want to neuter it.
Thanks everyone!
3835
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Oh...and I wwould love to see if there was any testing done on it....
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You tend to leave the primary but the weight hole is what enhances & increases the diff...6.75" from primary pin is strongest placement of a weight hole along the high RG equator
I doubt there was testing as there are a few that do not consider this to be a layout...
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Thanks again Ric
I have one on order (along with a Yeti Untamed) and plan to drill both RICO...maybe I will see what happens with them.
3835
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Thanks for the info...and I never said I wanted a stronger Guru...just wondering if there would be any unforseen issues with using a RICO drill because of the Scoop.
I was worried about drilling out too much of the scoop and lessening the diff...not looking to make it stronger, just didn't want to neuter it.
Thanks everyone!
3835
My comment was based on Ric's original post that he had edited.
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10-4
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Too many times too many base too much on the layout and not enough on the bowling ball and surface strength plus surface prep...the biggest components of reactions
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Agreed...
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And not directed at you that was an overview
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The only issue i see with Rico drill is because some bowlers will tend to track super high and can track over the fingers and/or the thumb. This happens with me. It's due to such a large VAL angle especially for bowlers with a fair or large amount of up coordinate in their PAP. I usually just raise the pin up from grip center as much as the bowler has up in their PAP and it often gets the track off the gripping holes.
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Good info. Luckily I have many balls already drilled RICO and I track about an 1/8 to 1/4 inch away from the fingers and thumb. But you are correct, some may track over. If they do, placing an extra hole in the positive thumb quadrant has always raised my track enough to get the track lowered enough to get off my thumb and fingers...
Thanks again Ric!
3835
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If you move the pin too far under the fingers you would actually be drilling into the top of the core or even on the other side of the to of the core. This will lower the diff significantly.
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Newguy,
And that is what I worried about with the Scoop when compared to other equipment.
Regardless, I have my first 2 non-Quantum bowling balls in a LONG time ready to be drilled at the pro shop: a Guru which I am going to stick with the suggested layout and not RICO and a Yeti Untamed which I will slap the RICO on.
Hoping for some strong rolling equipment. From what I have seen I do not believe I will be upset.
3835
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IMO, I would do exactly like you're doing with the symm getting the Rico treatment. If you were to do a Rico to any strong assym, I personally would think it would get pukey because it would have such a high intermediate diff.