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newguy

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The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« on: June 14, 2016, 10:55:00 AM »
Go to our website
www.radicalbowling.com
and check out our 3 new ball launches announced today.

 

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2016, 06:53:29 PM »
Bowlaholic, if you send Phil a question, or you post something on here, he's good with getting back to you. But you're making too much out of the ball chart stuff. Use it as a guide and not as gospel (which is what someone else has also suggested to you.)

The only thing that will tell you what and when to use a piece is the ball once you're using it. That also brings the importance of knowing your game and your equipment into the equation.

 
« Last Edit: June 19, 2016, 06:57:30 PM by spencerwatts »
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Bowlaholic

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2016, 08:02:06 PM »
spencerwatts,
I agree  with your second paragraph 100%.  However, the lack of a response from "newguy" to my last two posts says he cannot explain why Radical rated the Xeno as a medium oil ball on their current Oil Comparison Chart while stating the Xeno is more responsive (friction) and stronger (ability to handle more oil) than the Reax V2 solid which was previously charted as a med. to heavy oil ball.
I think when Radical are classifying their balls they may have forgotten where they classified their previously releases.
So here is where I am at.....If the Xeno is stronger than the Reax V2,  then I have no use for it as my V2 solid is as strong as most would need for a THS, as well as my scratch league.
My point to this discussion was either the Xeno is classified (medium/green by Radical) as to low meaning it should be shown as a heavy oil ball or the Reax V2 solid has now become a light oil ball on today's oil patterns and new oils which my experience does not support.
I am going to end this interest & discussion, by aborting my interest in the Xeno.  However, I will never subscribe to the theory that I put to much emphasis in the Radical Oil Chart.  Why, because if I can't put some value in the charts Radical publishes, then everything they put out to us is nothing more than HOCUS POCUS!
Good night and best wishes to all.  Sorry "newguy" that apparently you lost interest in providing an answer to my previous inquires. Oh well, life goes on!

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2016, 08:47:09 PM »
The world doesn't revolve around you. Be thankful that someone like Phil takes time to respond to people on this site when he's busy running a company and has a family.

Neither of us has said to not put value in the chart, but don't put so much value into it. The Xeno uses the same core as the Reax V2 but has a stronger cover, therefore, the Xeno is stronger than the V2

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2016, 05:27:31 AM »
SVstar34,
I was done responding, but your personal attack post deserves a reply.  Nunber one....Sorry to have to tell you the world does not resolve around you either.  Number two....I previously stated I considered Phil (newguy) a industry Guru (again, no pun intended) and I valued his input.  Number three.....Phil found the time to respond with good info until I asked why the Xeno is shown as a medium oil ball on the Oil Comparison Chart when in fact that is not what the Ball Chart shows.  And it does not match up to where the Reax V2 was (med.-heavy) oil on the previous oil chart.
Radical puts the oil comparison chart on their website and invite people to "compare/analyze".  If their info is not somewhat accurate, then how can I or any consumer believe anything they state.  Such as "you want numbers, we got numbers".  Maybe those number should not be taken seriously by putting to much value in them according to you & others.
I believe the Oil Comparision Chart is wrong for the Xeno and that is supported by where Radical has pegged the Xeno on the Ball Chart.  Would it not be better to admit to a publishing error for the Xeno and correct the Oil Chart accordingly, so it matches the Ball Chart and erases the V2 question.  Simple fix....let's see?

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2016, 07:56:38 AM »
Your question to newguy was about 40 minutes after his last post, so he probably left the forum and hadn't seen your new question yet. Maybe Phil will respond to your questions when he comes back on the forum.

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SVstar34

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2016, 09:13:38 AM »
Hate to tell you this because I was waiting to see what Phil would say but the Oil Comparison chart is correct. The only balls higher on the chart than the Xeno are the Gurus and the Ridiculous, Ridiculous Pearl, and Jackpot are lower. The Xeno can handle medium-heavy oil in essentially the same category as the Ridiculous Asymm and Primo Solid, however all 3 use different cores offering different motions and it looks like Radical pegs the Xeno as more versatile than the other 2

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2016, 10:20:31 AM »
So Let me see if I get this straight,
 
Sunday after noon, Fathers day, US open finals, Dinner with my family then the NBA final game and the response I get is
 
1) .....Phil found the time to respond with good info until I asked why the Xeno is shown as a medium oil ball on the Oil Comparison Chart when in fact that is not what the Ball Chart shows.  And it does not match up to where the Reax V2 was (med.-heavy) oil on the previous oil chart.
2)  If their info is not somewhat accurate, then how can I or any consumer believe anything they state.  Such as "you want numbers, we got numbers".  Maybe those number should not be taken seriously by putting to much value in them according to you & others.
3) @8:20 last night... Sorry "newguy" that apparently you lost interest in providing an answer to my previous inquires. Oh well, life goes on!

So besides all of the above there are several more. The initial question was how does the new Xeno compare to the original Reax V2 Solid. My answer to this question

 OK then, so is the Xeno stronger or weaker than the Reax V2?
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Stronger.  New cover technology.

So now we get into the comparison chart on the website my answer is at the bottom

The new Xeno and the Reax V2 have the same core and numbers with a different cover.  The current ball comparison chart has the Xeno charted to the far right and just left and a little below the of the Guru Supreme. Whereas the Reax V2 was previously positioned almost in the exact middle of the previous ball reaction chart.
The impression I'm getting is the new Xeno is a much stronger ball than the Reax V2.  Yet, when looking at the oil comparision chart the Xeno is shown as a medium oil ball (where the green is) and the Reax V2 as a heavy oil ball (where the green is).
If I am not looking at these chart correctly, which I most likely I am not.  Then could someone please explain how the new Xeno (medium oil ball) could be so close to the Guru Supreme on the current chart?  Thanks

All is relative to the balls in the line at the time the Reax V2 was the strongest ball we had.

I'm really not sure I can be more clear, we do not go back and adjust the comparison chart, as a matter of fact the Reax V2 isn't even on the new chart. We only compare the balls that are currently in the line.
Things change dramatically over the years, oil viscosity, lane machines, cleaners, resin formulas and additives. We only deal with the current line.

Is the Reax V2 considered a light oil ball Yes or no you tell me because each person and situation is different. If it is for you so be it, if it not than that's ok to. The chart is a guideline and a starting point. We can not be all knowing, surface preps can move the performance all over the board.

I spend time on this forum to share info, sometimes it becomes overbearing. Please take this into consideration. I do it as a favor to all of you, we do not sell tons of balls through this sight, there simply isn't enough traffic, I could easily bail on this sight and not feel it was a wrong move. I do it to share knowledge, but really to personally attack me by saying I don't care or didn't respond in what you see as a timely manner, REALLY!

I will say this if it keeps up it will be spending less and less time, my suggestion is that if the info is valuable to you all on this site than police it yourselves.


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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2016, 11:11:52 AM »
Mo's ( and I assume Newguy's) definition of stronger is "transitions faster", so a "stronger" ball will transition from skid to hook to roll faster than a weaker ball.  --  JohnP

Edit:  I posted this responding to an earlier post without realizing I hadn't looked at a couple of pages of new posts. 
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tkkshop

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2016, 11:18:01 AM »
Strike 2!

HankScorpio

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2016, 02:22:01 PM »
Strike 2!

What happens when strike 3 happens? You don't buy the ball that you were never going to buy anyway because you hate Brunswick?

tkkshop

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2016, 02:38:45 PM »
Strike 2!

What happens when strike 3 happens? You don't buy the ball that you were never going to buy anyway because you hate Brunswick?
I guess the joke went over your head... This is the 2nd time Phil has threatened to leave this site, thus the strike 2 comment. He even insulted the readers here by saying that there purchase does not matter because the site does not have the viewership that it once had.

bltbyj

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #57 on: June 20, 2016, 02:49:32 PM »
Strike 2!

What happens when strike 3 happens? You don't buy the ball that you were never going to buy anyway because you hate Brunswick?
I guess the joke went over your head... This is the 2nd time Phil has threatened to leave this site, thus the strike 2 comment. He even insulted the readers here by saying that there purchase does not matter because the site does not have the viewership that it once had.

You're just a troll plain and simple.

tkkshop

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #58 on: June 20, 2016, 03:20:00 PM »
Strike 2!

What happens when strike 3 happens? You don't buy the ball that you were never going to buy anyway because you hate Brunswick?
I guess the joke went over your head... This is the 2nd time Phil has threatened to leave this site, thus the strike 2 comment. He even insulted the readers here by saying that there purchase does not matter because the site does not have the viewership that it once had.

You're just a troll plain and simple.
but the guy causing this whole issue isn't?   K

Hell, I'm not trying to troll. I'm posting facts. Unlike some in this thread.
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HankScorpio

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #59 on: June 20, 2016, 08:39:18 PM »
Strike 2!

What happens when strike 3 happens? You don't buy the ball that you were never going to buy anyway because you hate Brunswick?
I guess the joke went over your head... This is the 2nd time Phil has threatened to leave this site, thus the strike 2 comment. He even insulted the readers here by saying that there purchase does not matter because the site does not have the viewership that it once had.

Oh. I guess I did miss the joke. I don't know how I didn't catch it, it was a good one.

tkkshop

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Re: The 3 new launches are up on our Website
« Reply #60 on: June 21, 2016, 11:08:50 AM »
Strike 2!

What happens when strike 3 happens? You don't buy the ball that you were never going to buy anyway because you hate Brunswick?
I guess the joke went over your head... This is the 2nd time Phil has threatened to leave this site, thus the strike 2 comment. He even insulted the readers here by saying that there purchase does not matter because the site does not have the viewership that it once had.

Oh. I guess I did miss the joke. I don't know how I didn't catch it, it was a good one.
Thanks