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Equipment Boards => Radical => Topic started by: Cool Rocking Daddy on January 19, 2015, 03:42:20 PM
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Two of my team mates have just gotten this ball and make my Yeti untamed look like a Urethane ball. Will the Unleashed compete?
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Probably that new guru (teased in the Reality vs perception 2 video) will be the answer...doesn't have a name yet.
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Ah, yes. I remember that video and the "hint" they dropped. That will be nice.
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Probably that new guru (teased in the Reality vs perception 2 video) will be the answer...doesn't have a name yet.
Guru is assymetrical isn't it?
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Highly doubt a pearl Guru will be anywhere close to the Skid. The core is too strong!!!!
And Mo is not a big fan of hockey sticks!! Bank on it.
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If you are wanting a Hyper Cell Skid reaction then drill a HCS...
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Two of my team mates have just gotten this ball and make my Yeti untamed look like a Urethane ball. Will the Unleashed compete?
Mo doesnt like hockey stick reactions and yet came up with the MOtion hole. May want to consider an Uncaged with a MOtion hole providing your ball roll will allow for it. The MO hole helps create a more angular reaction. Give it a look.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zAfdau96vw
Video of the Uncaged with pin up, pin down, and MOtion hole layouts. Definitely see the difference.
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I suggest a Fortera Exile, currently our most flippy pearl. If you're set on Radical, keep an eye on the "Coming Soon".
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I suggest a Fortera Exile, currently our most flippy pearl. If you're set on Radical, keep an eye on the "Coming Soon".
Really BrunsNick??!!LOL! Another ball for me to decide on. Is there a key in your sentence? keep an eye on the "Coming Soon".
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If you are wanting a Hyper Cell Skid reaction then drill a HCS...
Bingo!!!!!!
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I dont think there is anything in the Radical line like that, Extremely strong core and weaker pearl cover, I agree with Nick that an Exile will be the closest but wont be as strong as the skid. Doesnt mean it wouldnt be the answer.
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Probably that new guru (teased in the Reality vs perception 2 video) will be the answer...doesn't have a name yet.
Guru is assymetrical isn't it?
Yes, just as the HCS!
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If you are wanting a Hyper Cell Skid reaction then drill a HCS...
yea but then people don't have matching companies ;) you know thats blasphemy
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Heaven forbid somebody wants a Radical or Brunswick products. We do make longer and stronger products, CATS tested, Throbot approved. ;)
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And marketing is a great thing....
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I'm sorry I'm logical...if I see something that I like I don't go and look for what's comparable I buy what's right no matter the name
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Heaven forbid somebody wants a Radical or Brunswick products. We do make longer and stronger products, CATS tested, Throbot approved. ;)
i love dv8 lol thats pretty much all i throw
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I'm sorry I'm logical...if I see something that I like I don't go and look for what's comparable I buy what's right no matter the name
Now you're just being silly. I'm a Chevy guy, I ain't drivin no Ford! ;D
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I generally am perceived as silly since I no longer give bowling balls away...funny how that is
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I think brunswick makes great products. Ive recommended them to a lot of different people, but I think all companies make good products. Some of those products are better than brunswick and some of brunswick's better than others.
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Just talked to my local Radical staffer and driller. Says the Gusto would be the closest right now. FWIW, I agree with Mo that a hockey stick reaction isn't all its cracked up to be.
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This is odd to me.....that you guys keep saying Mo doesn't like hockey stick reactions, and yet I have two friends with the Yeti Unleashed, and both of their ball reactions are that very SAME hockey stick look!
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I have several customers that won't consider a Brunswick product because of the move to Mexico. I know that's been discussed here ad nauseum, but it's still a fact of business. -- JohnP
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In today's global economy that is amazing
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I am going to look into the Gusto. I think the Reax line is going away and should be some good deals on them. Nice compliment to my Yeti Untamed and Torrid Elite. Will put an A drillng on it.
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From a Radical staffer on drier/transitioning heads he uses a Melee Jab.
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In today's global economy that is amazing
Considering they are the only major bowling ball manufacturer that is made outside of the US, it's actually not unreal. They moved to Mexico to cut costs, no? Meanwhile their equipment rivals every other manufacturers price barring Storm, who can charge what they want because it will sale. So if we were getting high end equipment for a substantial difference, then I would understand. But since we don't, I chalk it up as them wanting to make more money as opposed to save us more, as they claim.
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Many manufactures give back via programs. Welcome to big business.
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Many manufactures give back via programs. Welcome to big business.
Directly to the consumer? I can't remember seeing any other rebates. Closest i can think of is AMF offering reduced prices to the first 100 buyers. Not impossible that i missed some, but show your work.
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Just pointing out that Mastermind and Mastermind Genius were $134.95 for a high performance ball, nearly 15-20% less than the others.
I also remember the Alpha Max being $50 off a few years back.
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If you want Brunswick stuff cheap, just wait until it's discontinued. It will show up on Ebay at fire sale prices.
It's somewhat rare to see the Utah products go cheap as most of their stuff will actually sell for more than the original price when the distributors no longer have it in stock. The Invasion and VG Nano Pearl were temporary exceptions, but now those same balls will sell for upwards of $200+
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Many manufactures give back via programs. Welcome to big business.
Directly to the consumer? I can't remember seeing any other rebates. Closest i can think of is AMF offering reduced prices to the first 100 buyers. Not impossible that i missed some, but show your work.
he said that they give back via pro shop programs. That is when I mentioned that all manufacturers do this. As for the rebates, he mentioned 4 balls that were offered with one.
Bruns, while the Mastermind series is cheaper, the Fortera's aren't. They are within 10 bucks my cost when compared to a Jackal. The Guru and Thug Unruly are within 3 bucks. So, thank you for passing on a Lincoln.
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Many manufactures give back via programs. Welcome to big business.
Directly to the consumer? I can't remember seeing any other rebates. Closest i can think of is AMF offering reduced prices to the first 100 buyers. Not impossible that i missed some, but show your work.
he said that they give back via pro shop programs. That is when I mentioned that all manufacturers do this. As for the rebates, he mentioned 4 balls that were offered with one.
Bruns, while the Mastermind series is cheaper, the Fortera's aren't. They are within 10 bucks my cost when compared to a Jackal. The Guru and Thug Unruly are within 3 bucks. So, thank you for passing on a Lincoln.
tkkshop are you referring to proshop cost or online cost to consumers? Did you just say the products(Brunswick) your cost were still cheaper as well?
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Or are you saying that because they moved to Mexico it should be even cheaper?
I think that is what I got after re-reading back further.
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I am referring to my shop cost from the distributor. And yes, they should be more than 3 to 8 dollars cheaper after the move. Especially after all of the horror stories about hollow pins and filler voids from other shops.
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Only issues ive experienced was early on with cgs being hard to pick out. Yet to see much else posted online otherwise.
With the rebates on the Exiles and other new releases the options are there. I get what you are saying.
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Thanks for the offer. I will politely decline after double checking on who my area Rep is. I sold 2 Brunswick balls in 2014, for that very reason. Thanks for the insight from your end and we shall hopefully chat again in the near future.
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Wait. Maybe I'm missing something. Comparing Skid to a Yeti Unleashed?
I get it that both have big cores, low RGs and high differentials. But one's asymmetric and the other is a symmetric. One has a much stronger cover. One's a pearl. The other's a solid (matte , 2000).
Quite honestly, I'm thinking you should see different motions. The Unleashed should start earlier while the Skid should go a foot or so longer. Kind of comparing apples to grapefruit. But that's my thinking.
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Wait. Maybe I'm missing something. Comparing Skid to a Yeti Untamed?
I get it that both have big cores, low RGs and high differentials. But one's asymmetric and the other is a symmetric. One has a much stronger cover. One's a pearl. The other's a solid (polished finish, at that).
Yeah you're missing something. Read the original post.
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This is odd to me.....that you guys keep saying Mo doesn't like hockey stick reactions, and yet I have two friends with the Yeti Unleashed, and both of their ball reactions are that very SAME hockey stick look!
Guys you keep saying Mo doesn't like this or doesn't like that. Mo is a contracted technical advisor. He is not the decision maker regarding the targeted performance. We, the company, give Mo direction, than WE decide if it has met the criteria, if so than WE proceed if not than WE make the necessary changes. We do have hockey stick reaction in the line because that is what we where missing.
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In today's global economy that is amazing
Considering they are the only major bowling ball manufacturer that is made outside of the US, it's actually not unreal. They moved to Mexico to cut costs, no? Meanwhile their equipment rivals every other manufacturers price barring Storm, who can charge what they want because it will sale. So if we were getting high end equipment for a substantial difference, then I would understand. But since we don't, I chalk it up as them wanting to make more money as opposed to save us more, as they claim.
The Guru is at least $10-$15 cheaper than any Storm, Motive and Hammer high end ball. As a matter of fact we are cheaper across nearly all the price points. Not sure where the info is coming from. Our launch packages consist of 2 ball packs at a significant discount. The part you are missing is we do not sell direct, so the savings is not always passed on to the consumer.
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Phil obviously is spot on. That being said, any company that moves manufacturing outside of the US is doing so to cut costs and guess what, make more money. Nobody is in business to lose money and you don't move manufacturing to make the same margins you could have made by staying in the US.
Because of having the opportunity to work with Mo when he stops in town for a day over the winter the last two years, and the results he has given me, I will support the Radical (and Brunswick) brand. The Guru is an amazing ball! Every time I throw it, it amazes me that a solid and sanded covered ball can get that kind of length and recovery.
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The point was, nobody else has had to move to make money. And as for the prices of balls from distributors, the guru is 3 bucks cheaper than the Jackal and the same price as the Mad Antics, the 16 series Track balls, and 20 more than the Widow Series.
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The point was, nobody else has had to move to make money. And as for the prices of balls from distributors, the guru is 3 bucks cheaper than the Jackal and the same price as the Mad Antics, the 16 series Track balls, and 20 more than the Widow Series.
WOW! You are right they just go out of business or sell to another company, Remember I was at Columbia when we sold all the brands. I can name several other companies that had issues or are having issues or that went out of business.
Part 2 the prices you are quoting do not match what is posted on Ballreivews.com
Guru 149.95
Crux 164.95
Bad ass 164.95
Jackal 159.95
Track 910 a 164.95
The track series you mention are upper mid as is the Widow series. Similar to the Yeti series.
The Guru fall under the hi performance category as reported to the industry for purposes of tracking total domestic ball sales. These are the facts and they are undisputed!!!
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I was giving you MY shop prices. I don't buy off the Internet. I am a brick and mortar that could push your equipment. When your equipment IS comparable to others price wise, why should I? The Gusto was for light/medium oil yet yielded the same price as the Guru. IJS.
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tkk,
Everyone that should know wholesale prices already does, there is no need to mention the actual price differences on a public forum. The general public doesn't need to know everything about the business.
As for the equipment you push through your shop, unless there is incentive to do so it is not necessary to create demand for any specific brand. If Radical wanted to offer shops an incentive to push the product they would price protect the balls at a higher price while keeping the wholesale price where it is.
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Obviously Phil does not understand. I never mentioned the actual price, so I fail to see the issue. And the prices fluctuate per distributor. I can mention the price difference if I very well please as I have yet to see where I can't.
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It's professional courtesy and using your better judgement to not post actual numbers about wholesale pricing.
Obviously you want to be a punk and will be treated as one. Post away.
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I have yet to see professional courtesy in this thread. Sorry.
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Instead of helping the OP y'all have turned this thread into a pissing match. Obviously you have an issue with Brunswick/DV8/Radical equipment for whatever reason. Just stay out of the threads.
The objective is to help people, not troll and hijack others threads.
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tkk....considering you have posted multiple times in this thread and your last post admits there has been no professional courtesy in this thread, maybe we should let Vice know how one of their staff members act on a public forum? I think allaboutme tried to helpyou and you swatted him away. So you have a problem with the brunswick rep, fine, stop hijacking the OP's post.
CRD....as for the Yeti Unleashed vs the Hyper Cell Skid...guy bowling next to me was using both last night (in practice/house shot). Pins were in similar locations but the HCS has a weight hole in the thumb quadrant and the Yeti had no hole. Yeti had roughly an out of box surface and the HCS looked out of box as well. I saw him move in with the Yeti while the HCS gave him a cleaner look i nthe heads and more movement on the back.
Just my observations of one person on one lane for one night. Doesn't mean it will all be like this.
3835
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I just went back and reread the whole thread. John made a comment about having customers who still do not but Brunswick because of the Mexico deal. I then talked with BrunsNICK, who has since deleted his messages, and we talked about pricing for a few posts. Notice with his being deleted, I look like a tard. So, 38309, the lack if professionalism was far from just "me." And what did AAM try and help me with? I never posted a single dollar amount. Just pricing differences. Where's the harm in letting the consumer know that WE as pro shops are not seeing a price difference? If you are in the industry, then you know that the PSO is the one blasted about pricing, not the distributor nor the company.
As for the OP's questions, nothing compares currently. I am sure Radical will do some marketing video showing who's stuff hooks when and why theirs will carry better. But until then, the V2 Pearl and Gusto are weaker, considerably.
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I am in the industry. However, as you have pointed out, sometimes what is true (pricing) is better left unsaid as you need to take the high road. You are fighting a losing battle. You are the professional, you are held to a higher standard, like it or not, and one of the things we don't talk about is pricing.
I am done posting about this in this thread unless it relates to the OPs original comments or a follow-up question.
3835
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Easy answer --- get a HYPER CELL SKID and OWN IT!
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I have to side with tkkshop here, that there is not much professionalism here and yes there were posts removed some directed at me
You can call it hijacking or trolling but it is an open forum open to ANYONE'S opinion and thoughts whether you like it or not...you can support whoever you wish but it's also a persons right to, in helping point another's 'shortcomings'...if this is a Brunswick loyalists ONLY post, well good luck with that...
We all defend who or what we think is right and when you are a consumer at. Whatever level, it doesn't show much when 'attacked' by company reps...no matter the situation you should be strong enough to allow your product to stand on it's own merits not using tactics such attacking another or using pricing...arrogance usually doesn't work
Again this is my opinion, no one else's, but in certain arenas as of late, this demeanor seems to be the norm...we attack those that have the audacity to not like our product...and again to me, this is a weird selling style
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Ric,
All I said was there is no need to post actual price differences. Things can be debated without using actual figures. And from being in the position you are, if you don't agree with that, well, you are wrong.
As for Nick and Phil being confrontational, I don't know Phil's arrangement with Brunswick, so he may not have anyone to answer to, but Nick sure does. If you want to post things like some of the stuff he does he should probably get an alter ego. If you have to go back and delete posts you obviously weren't representing your company as well as you should.
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Nick first posted pricing...pricing that should not have been posted in an open forum...that's what started not what anyone else did...he removed those posts after the fact
Again I'm not arguing I'm pointing out reality...we live in a shrinking market why would you want to shrink it more by eliminating customers
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Ric is right. I shouldn't be getting into pricing discussions on a public forum. I was called out on it and so I removed myself from the conversation. Moving forward.
To the OP, stay tuned tomorrow for the next Radical announcement.
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The fact of the matter is, consumer pricing for high radical is lower than the competition. $150 vs. $160 and up! Gotta give it to em on that. Especially if it does out perform the competition.
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I'm thinking the new Guru Mighty and Brunswick Mastermind Scholar will compare more favorably to the Skid.
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Spencer...
Good thoughts. Will need to see the info on the Guru Mighty and Scholar to see if they can compare or not from a info sheet perspective.
3835
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I really hate to ask, but if you like the hyper cell skid, why not get that?
It may have been asked already, but I wasn't going to look through all the replies.
I love my radicals, but if I see something else I like, I will get it as well, no matter the manufacturer.
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Rico said that about 4 pages ago. Then everyone started bickering.
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Yeah. Thanks for your comment. If I wanted a Hyper Cell Skid I would have bought one but since I don't, I asked my question. Ta-dah! The question has been answered by the Guru Mighty.
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You have a few options.
1.) New Mastermind Scholar
This ball is very clean and suppose to have the biggest change of direction coming out of Big B's plant right now. Great piece and from what I'm seeing this ball looks great.
2.) Mighty Guru
This ball is suppose to be cleaner and have more pop in the back. If you look at the vid of the ball that Radical has provided you will see recovery that's off the charts.
Mid Range
3.) Uncaged
The MOtion hole Uncaged flip like no other and has some of the best carry I have seen from a pearlized symmetrical in sometime. I have 3 and all of them are great.
4.) Jab
Rob from Laneside reviews told me that he has one with a MOtion hole layout and he said it was too strong from him. I have also seen the Jab tested at our alley on different conditions and it looked very impressive. An excellent skid/flip piece.
5.) Grease Monkey Whack
This ball looked sick in a few reviews I have seen. Great skid/flip reaction. Very clean and restores plenty of energy. I think this ball will be a sleeper like the Uncaged in regards to great performing pearls.
When I saw the Hyper Cell Skid being used by 4 other bowlers the balls listed about performed out performed it. The Hyper rolled well, but the carry the others above showed don't seem to take a back seat to it. Plus a few of these balls cost wise would be cheaper than the Skid without losing anything in the performance department.
Big B has done an excellent job in the skid/flip area. They have the most covers and really pushing the envelope on ball performance right now.
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There is no way your mid range stuff listed will compete with the Skid. I can assure of that. The Scholar is lazy in comparison and the Mighty a touch longer, imo. But when has a B staffer not overhyped their products?
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There is no way your mid range stuff listed will compete with the Skid. I can assure of that. The Scholar is lazy in comparison and the Mighty a touch longer, imo. But when has a B staffer not overhyped their products?
Like every staffer from every company ever?
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There is no way your mid range stuff listed will compete with the Skid. I can assure of that. The Scholar is lazy in comparison and the Mighty a touch longer, imo. But when has a B staffer not overhyped their products?
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It's like if someone from Motiv comes and compares the Skid with a Venom Shock or with an Apex lol ;D
Coach big B, I get you have a job to do promoting Brunswick products, but don't lie and don't confuse people by saying that a ball like the Whack can be compared with the Skid, it is ridiculous!!!
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You have a few options.
1.) New Mastermind Scholar
This ball is very clean and suppose to have the biggest change of direction coming out of Big B's plant right now. Great piece and from what I'm seeing this ball looks great.
2.) Mighty Guru
This ball is suppose to be cleaner and have more pop in the back. If you look at the vid of the ball that Radical has provided you will see recovery that's off the charts.
Mid Range
3.) Uncaged
The MOtion hole Uncaged flip like no other and has some of the best carry I have seen from a pearlized symmetrical in sometime. I have 3 and all of them are great.
4.) Jab
Rob from Laneside reviews told me that he has one with a MOtion hole layout and he said it was too strong from him. I have also seen the Jab tested at our alley on different conditions and it looked very impressive. An excellent skid/flip piece.
5.) Grease Monkey Whack
This ball looked sick in a few reviews I have seen. Great skid/flip reaction. Very clean and restores plenty of energy. I think this ball will be a sleeper like the Uncaged in regards to great performing pearls.
When I saw the Hyper Cell Skid being used by 4 other bowlers the balls listed about performed out performed it. The Hyper rolled well, but the carry the others above showed don't seem to take a back seat to it. Plus a few of these balls cost wise would be cheaper than the Skid without losing anything in the performance department.
Big B has done an excellent job in the skid/flip area. They have the most covers and really pushing the envelope on ball performance right now.
seems real far from the truth and i agree with L3nn0n, you can't compare one company ball to another. I love brunswick but thats just false advertising saying every ball listed above outperformed the skid, wayy extreme assumptions. Storm is skid flip king for a reason and yea Big B has improved but they're still way out of their league
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What can you expect from a guy who has 30 posts and only uses his account to say how "awesome" all the brunswick products are. He bowls at least 800 series every week with a different ball! How amazing is that? And yes, I know all staffers are kind of the same, exaggerating about how good their products are, but there are boundaries and this guy is completely out of line.
Again, a Whack compared to a Skid? You gotta be fricking kidding me!! Do you think we are idiots? Come on man, give us some credit, and respect yourself and Brunswick.
By the way I have 2 brunswick balls and I love them, I also have Motiv and I love them too, so I'm not a fanboy trying to bash any particular brand.
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yea the guy has a job to do which i get, but at the same time that list the most far off list I've seen (minus one or two pieces) its almost scam like. Imagine you go to a pro shop and say i want a skid and the pro shop guy says don't get the skid get the whack its like the same thing but cheaper.
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Its all relative to the bowler and the condition. Skid snap can be found from a large number of balls. Too many factors too little info.
Ive never had an issue getting that reaction from Brunswick since 97 but you have the die hards that have since before I was bowling said Brunswick only makes rolley equipment. Just laugh and bowl on.
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Its all relative to the bowler and the condition. Skid snap can be found from a large number of balls. Too many factors too little info.
Ive never had an issue getting that reaction from Brunswick since 97 but you have the die hards that have since before I was bowling said Brunswick only makes rolley equipment. Just laugh and bowl on.
Not in this case. The staffer is suggesting that balls as the Jab or the Whack are similar or can be even better than the Skid. The thing here is that the Skid is designed for Heavy - Medium oil and the others don't. You can adjust surface but that is not the primary objective of the ball. You can compare the Skid with the Almighty, the Scholar, etc... But not with every skid snap ball available in the market! Some are for lighter conditions, etc... You get my point? If someone goes to a pro shop and asks for something similar to the Skid, I assume the PSO would never recommend a Whack or a Jab! It is false advertising in here, in China and everywhere else. Plain and simple.
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L3nn0n,
The way you feel about this guy and his posts about Brunswick produced stuff (Bruns and Radical) matching up to the Hyper is the way most of us felt about you and your post about being charged a restocking fee when you wanted to return or "exchange" a ball that you received that was sent to you as you ordered but felt it was out of line for the company to charge a restocking fee and make you ship it back on your dime. At least the guy hasn't deleted his posts yet unlike you and your thread when everyone tried to tell you that you were wrong and didn't want to hear it even though the company said one line in an email that was very poorly worded and was an improper response to any customer.
3835
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L3nn0n,
The way you feel about this guy and his posts about Brunswick produced stuff (Bruns and Radical) matching up to the Hyper is the way most of us felt about you and your post about being charged a restocking fee when you wanted to return or "exchange" a ball that you received that was sent to you as you ordered but felt it was out of line for the company to charge a restocking fee and make you ship it back on your dime. At least the guy hasn't deleted his posts yet unlike you and your thread when everyone tried to tell you that you were wrong and didn't want to hear it even though the company said one line in an email that was very poorly worded and was an improper response to any customer.
3835
so wowzers and 3835 are the same person?
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Woops!!!!! Identity check anyone???
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L3nn0n,
The way you feel about this guy and his posts about Brunswick produced stuff (Bruns and Radical) matching up to the Hyper is the way most of us felt about you and your post about being charged a restocking fee when you wanted to return or "exchange" a ball that you received that was sent to you as you ordered but felt it was out of line for the company to charge a restocking fee and make you ship it back on your dime. At least the guy hasn't deleted his posts yet unlike you and your thread when everyone tried to tell you that you were wrong and didn't want to hear it even though the company said one line in an email that was very poorly worded and was an improper response to any customer.
3835
Most of "us"? Since when you were name spokeperson of the forum? Who the hell do you think you are? And it has nothing to do with this! Apples and oranges here, so I'm not gonna disscus it with you. So you were waiting for any excuse to point that out, right? Nobodoy got my point, that's what I closed the topic, or what, do you want me to leave it open so you can attack me with your "brilliant" comments?
I was complaining about the response I received and I said that the fee was too much (FOR ME, MY PERSONAL OPINION) and this guy is lying about some products made from a company he represents, that is false advertising, plain and simple. Two completely DIFFERENT things, genius! Now I get it, you were waiting for something to bring the subject back to conversation, right? Lol at least you should've wait for something more related to my thread and not this, Einstein.
By the way, you don't have to sign any stupid comment you post on the internet, it is not a document or a contract for gods sake! 3835? Lol ;D
L3nn0n lol ;) ;D
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Its all relative to the bowler and the condition. Skid snap can be found from a large number of balls. Too many factors too little info.
Ive never had an issue getting that reaction from Brunswick since 97 but you have the die hards that have since before I was bowling said Brunswick only makes rolley equipment. Just laugh and bowl on.
Not in this case. The staffer is suggesting that balls as the Jab or the Whack are similar or can be even better than the Skid. The thing here is that the Skid is designed for Heavy - Medium oil and the others don't. You can adjust surface but that is not the primary objective of the ball. You can compare the Skid with the Almighty, the Scholar, etc... But not with every skid snap ball available in the market! Some are for lighter conditions, etc... You get my point? If someone goes to a pro shop and asks for something similar to the Skid, I assume the PSO would never recommend a Whack or a Jab! It is false advertising in here, in China and everywhere else. Plain and simple.
Depending on the conditions and the bowlers style he is correct. For heavier oil you will want something from the high performance tier or as many have suggested by the actual Skid. That is why so much of this is a waste of time. Little or no information, or even better a video of the person bowling on their condition to show what may or may not be needed.
The correct answer is likely not going to be found on this forum with the information or lack of always provided.
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Disagree.
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Not really interested in a pissing match by a bunch of FNGs who think they are the only ones who can read a ball reaction chart. Radical already answered my question with Guru Mighty.
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Obviously you can't or else you wouldn't of asked.
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Obviously you can't or else you wouldn't of asked.
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Not really interested in a pissing match by a bunch of FNGs who think they are the only ones who can read a ball reaction chart. Radical already answered my question with Guru Mighty.
LOL ;D says the experience guy...
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Depending on the conditions and the bowlers style he is correct. For heavier oil you will want something from the high performance tier or as many have suggested by the actual Skid. That is why so much of this is a waste of time. Little or no information, or even better a video of the person bowling on their condition to show what may or may not be needed.
The correct answer is likely not going to be found on this forum with the information or lack of always provided.
No, he is not. But I respect your opinion and I hope you'll respect mine.
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I saw the guru mighty yesterday at the tournament I was at. Very strong ball. It was the only other ball moving in the slop along side my jackal. I wouldnt compare it to skid unless you polished the hell out of it.
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Kidlost is correct pointless of asking the forum for what ball if not enuff information is given out. Need to see how the bowler is bowling etc etc b4 saying or advicing what ball is the right one. But if we all throwing opinions then why not just say what balls you like and think is correct. If I was sporting Brunswick stuff I would advice what Brunswick balls I've throw to comparison or storm etc..
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I just want to thank everyone who participated in this thread. That was an entertaining read.
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guru mighty