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Equipment Boards => Radical => Topic started by: L3nn0n on January 11, 2015, 01:39:17 PM
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I've been using my Aura Paranormal lately on a THS with great results, even when it is supposed to be a heavy oil ball it has been a great ball on THS when my Brunswick Wicked Siege or my Sigma Sting are not enough. However, I started thinking about getting a new ball with similar specs/reaction for when I decide to retire my Aura Paranormal. Motiv is a brand that I started using this last year and I liked so far, but I'm also interested in trying Radical... So, which balls better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
By the way, I'm looking that the new ball could be used on a long pattern and with more oil than a THS, since I'm planning to bowl at the USBC Open @ El Paso this year.
Any help would be truly appreciated!
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The Score would be a good choice. Adjust surface as needed.
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The score is more of a benchmark medium oil kind of ball isn't it? I'm looking for something stronger, to bowl on longer patterns and with more oil... Also I already have a Sigma Sting, so I don't know if the score will fill the hole I have in my arsenal.
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Guru. Most hook available on the market in a long long time
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Guru. Most hook available on the market in a long long time
Newguy, is the Guru a better ball than the Jackal or the Raging bull Stampede?
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The score is more of a benchmark medium oil kind of ball isn't it? I'm looking for something stronger, to bowl on longer patterns and with more oil... Also I already have a Sigma Sting, so I don't know if the score will fill the hole I have in my arsenal.
You said you wanted a ball to give you the same look as your AP when you decide to replace it. If you want a ball to replace your AP on roids then get the Guru.
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The score is more of a benchmark medium oil kind of ball isn't it? I'm looking for something stronger, to bowl on longer patterns and with more oil... Also I already have a Sigma Sting, so I don't know if the score will fill the hole I have in my arsenal.
You said you wanted a ball to give you the same look as your AP when you decide to replace it. If you want a ball to replace your AP on roids then get the Guru.
That's correct! I think the AP is stronger than the score, right? And yeah, that Guru looks impressive from what I've seen! But since I've been buying motiv equipment lately, I thought about the Jackal too...
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I think depending on surface the Score wil be able to handle oil just as good as the AP. Can't help with Motiv.
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I think depending on surface the Score wil be able to handle oil just as good as the AP. Can't help with Motiv.
Thanks kidlost2000! The Score looks good too, but I'm leaning towards the Guru, seems like a stronger ball OOB and that's what I'm looking for, but I really appreciate your advice!
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No problem. It looks like a great ball. I love the AP and have two undrilled in the closet because it and the original Aura where great for me. The Guru is likely to be another one of those balls.
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No problem. It looks like a great ball. I love the AP and have two undrilled in the closet because it and the original Aura where great for me. The Guru is likely to be another one of those balls.
Did you get the two AP back in the day or did you get them recently? I didn't mind buying an extra one... Hehe ;D
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Got them probably two months ago. One distributor was slow to close them out. Have those and a Mystic.
There is one AP in 15lbs on ebay right now with no bids. NIB
I only have a Ringer and Ruckus 15lbs NIB left to sell. The APs are keepers lol
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Got them probably two months ago. One distributor was slow to close them out. Have those and a Mystic.
There is one AP in 15lbs on ebay right now with no bids. NIB
I only have a Ringer and Ruckus 15lbs NIB left to sell. The APs are keepers lol
Damn! I've been looking for another AP but no luck so far! I throw 14lbs :-\
I know, those AP are keepers, that's why I take care extra care of mine so it can last for a looong, looong time! Lol
I tried the Ruckus for about two or three weeks, didn't like it and sold it for 50 bucks, great ball, but I couldn't make it work! It didn't suited my style or I don't know!
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Go to the misc postings.... there is a guru comparision vs others. I think its called perception vs reality or something like that. If you are looking for pure hook today get the guru.
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Go to the misc postings.... there is a guru comparision vs others. I think its called perception vs reality or something like that. If you are looking for pure hook today get the guru.
I watched the video and it is indeed impressive! But for example when the robot throws the Jackal and it leaves a 10 pin, would't moving a little bit to the right fix the problem? I mean, I know that the video shows how the Guru is the strongest/more hook of all, but that doesn't necessarily means that the Guru is better than the Jackal IMO.
Still, leaning towards the Guru, but I haven't heard of someone who owns the Jackal to know their opinion.
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Exactly. They put out the perfect shot for the Guru, and then basically showed that it reacts differently than other balls. If you lined up based on the Jackal, then all the sudden the Guru would be early and hook too much. The Guru looked pretty bad for Hess during the PBA Scorpion Championship, it hit flat and didn't turn the corner well. However, it's still a really good ball . . and they do have a point. It goes longer, hooks more, and has more of a defined breakpoint than other big hooking balls. All those attributes aren't supposed to go together that well.
Go to the misc postings.... there is a guru comparision vs others. I think its called perception vs reality or something like that. If you are looking for pure hook today get the guru.
I watched the video and it is indeed impressive! But for example when the robot throws the Jackal and it leaves a 10 pin, would't moving a little bit to the right fix the problem? I mean, I know that the video shows how the Guru is the strongest/more hook of all, but that doesn't necessarily means that the Guru is better than the Jackal IMO.
Still, leaning towards the Guru, but I haven't heard of someone who owns the Jackal to know their opinion.
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Exactly. They put out the perfect shot for the Guru, and then basically showed that it reacts differently than other balls. If you lined up based on the Jackal, then all the sudden the Guru would be early and hook too much. The Guru looked pretty bad for Hess during the PBA Scorpion Championship, it hit flat and didn't turn the corner well. However, it's still a really good ball . . and they do have a point. It goes longer, hooks more, and has more of a defined breakpoint than other big hooking balls. All those attributes aren't supposed to go together that well.
Go to the misc postings.... there is a guru comparision vs others. I think its called perception vs reality or something like that. If you are looking for pure hook today get the guru.
I watched the video and it is indeed impressive! But for example when the robot throws the Jackal and it leaves a 10 pin, would't moving a little bit to the right fix the problem? I mean, I know that the video shows how the Guru is the strongest/more hook of all, but that doesn't necessarily means that the Guru is better than the Jackal IMO.
Still, leaning towards the Guru, but I haven't heard of someone who owns the Jackal to know their opinion.
That's what I was thinking! And since I usually throw my ball between the first and second arrow, I was thinking that maybe the Guru will hook eariler and it will hook too much for me OOB. I know that I can change the surface to fix that but you get the idea right? The Guru seems to be a great ball for a lot of bowlers out there, but for me being a down and in bowler I'm not sure! That's why there are so many options in the market right now, the slightest difference between two balls can make that ball either your favorite or your worst investment! The thing is I'm not sure about getting the Guru anymore!
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If you're not sure about the Guru, the Jackal also may not be that great of an option, it also hooks quite a bit. I might actually drop down a line or two to the Revolt or Revolt Vengeance (which both still might be too much ball) or the Score or Yeti Unleashed.
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L3nnOn,
Sent you a message about a NIB 14lb AP.
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Sorry to go off-topic here, but I have to disagree with what you wrote here.
Radical, as I saw it, didn't put out a "perfect shot" for the Guru. They put out a shot. They then showed that most of the other balls considered to be "hooking" balls by their compeition, actually hook less then the Guru with the Throwbot making sure every shot is the same. They aren't sugercoating anything. Between the two videos they have made, they have shown balls that strike. They have shown balls that would work, but those balls usually hooked earlier and didn't produce the same reaction shape of the Guru. Almost any "hooking" ball can be made to work on true heavy oil. Between the drill, the surface, and moving your feet. But Radical is showing that if you want the biggest "Engine" underneath you at the starting line, go with the Guru, then tweak it as needed to fit your game and your style.
Exactly. They put out the perfect shot for the Guru, and then basically showed that it reacts differently than other balls. If you lined up based on the Jackal, then all the sudden the Guru would be early and hook too much. The Guru looked pretty bad for Hess during the PBA Scorpion Championship, it hit flat and didn't turn the corner well. However, it's still a really good ball . . and they do have a point. It goes longer, hooks more, and has more of a defined breakpoint than other big hooking balls. All those attributes aren't supposed to go together that well.
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Exactly. They put out the perfect shot for the Guru, and then basically showed that it reacts differently than other balls. If you lined up based on the Jackal, then all the sudden the Guru would be early and hook too much. The Guru looked pretty bad for Hess during the PBA Scorpion Championship, it hit flat and didn't turn the corner well. However, it's still a really good ball . . and they do have a point. It goes longer, hooks more, and has more of a defined breakpoint than other big hooking balls. All those attributes aren't supposed to go together that well.
Go to the misc postings.... there is a guru comparision vs others. I think its called perception vs reality or something like that. If you are looking for pure hook today get the guru.
I watched the video and it is indeed impressive! But for example when the robot throws the Jackal and it leaves a 10 pin, would't moving a little bit to the right fix the problem? I mean, I know that the video shows how the Guru is the strongest/more hook of all, but that doesn't necessarily means that the Guru is better than the Jackal IMO.
Still, leaning towards the Guru, but I haven't heard of someone who owns the Jackal to know their opinion.
That's what I was thinking! And since I usually throw my ball between the first and second arrow, I was thinking that maybe the Guru will hook eariler and it will hook too much for me OOB. I know that I can change the surface to fix that but you get the idea right? The Guru seems to be a great ball for a lot of bowlers out there, but for me being a down and in bowler I'm not sure! That's why there are so many options in the market right now, the slightest difference between two balls can make that ball either your favorite or your worst investment! The thing is I'm not sure about getting the Guru anymore!
You were very sure you wanted lots of hook and a ball for heavy oil, sport patterns and Nationals. One ball doesn't do everything. It can be more useful if surface adjustments or lines are made. If you want to replace the AP for your everyday use then the Score may be your better Radical bet. For oiler conditions it can still be fine if adjusting the surface.
You kinda go back and forth a lot on the two.
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You were very sure you wanted lots of hook and a ball for heavy oil, sport patterns and Nationals. One ball doesn't do everything. It can be more useful if surface adjustments or lines are made. If you want to replace the AP for your everyday use then the Score may be your better Radical bet. For oiler conditions it can still be fine if adjusting the surface.
You kinda go back and forth a lot on the two.
Yeah, because I was using my AP for tournaments and sport patterns, but sometimes I felt that it was lacking of some hooking/power. that's why I'm looking for something stronger for nationals, tournaments, etc. but at the same time I want to use that ball every now and then for leagues and for THS, I don't want to buy a ball that I'm gonna use 3 or 4 times in a year, you know what I mean? I do want a strong ball with lots of hook, but I'm not sure if a Guru would fit my game since it looks too strong for me, I want something strong, but something that suits my game, I'm a regular speed bowler, regular revs, left handed, down and in kind of bowler, my A game is aiming between the first and second arrow (7th, 8th board) and watching the Guru videos makes me wonder if that ball would be too strong for me... I don't know if I explanied myself, (my english is terrible, I apologize for that) I just don't want to buy certain ball and then realize after 5 or 10 games that I made a bad choice.
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If you're not sure about the Guru, the Jackal also may not be that great of an option, it also hooks quite a bit. I might actually drop down a line or two to the Revolt or Revolt Vengeance (which both still might be too much ball) or the Score or Yeti Unleashed.
I thought about that, but having already an Aura Paranormal, it wouldn't be buying more of the same if I get the Revolt or the Revolt Vengeance? Those balls are close to what the Aura Paranormal is, isn't it?
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Sorry to go off-topic here, but I have to disagree with what you wrote here.
Radical, as I saw it, didn't put out a "perfect shot" for the Guru. They put out a shot. They then showed that most of the other balls considered to be "hooking" balls by their compeition, actually hook less then the Guru with the Throwbot making sure every shot is the same. They aren't sugercoating anything. Between the two videos they have made, they have shown balls that strike. They have shown balls that would work, but those balls usually hooked earlier and didn't produce the same reaction shape of the Guru. Almost any "hooking" ball can be made to work on true heavy oil. Between the drill, the surface, and moving your feet. But Radical is showing that if you want the biggest "Engine" underneath you at the starting line, go with the Guru, then tweak it as needed to fit your game and your style.
I know what you mean, Radical is showing that if you want the best hooking ball available on the market, the Guru is the ball to go, right? Then it'll depend on you how you drill it, how you put the surface and how you throw the ball so it can be a hooking monster or a less angular ball, right?
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A quote from your original post:
However, I started thinking about getting a new ball with similar specs/reaction for when I decide to retire my Aura Paranormal. Motiv is a brand that I started using this last year and I liked so far, but I'm also interested in trying Radical... So, which balls better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
I thought getting a ball similar to the Aura was the point to begin with?
If you're not sure about the Guru, the Jackal also may not be that great of an option, it also hooks quite a bit. I might actually drop down a line or two to the Revolt or Revolt Vengeance (which both still might be too much ball) or the Score or Yeti Unleashed.
I thought about that, but having already an Aura Paranormal, it wouldn't be buying more of the same if I get the Revolt or the Revolt Vengeance? Those balls are close to what the Aura Paranormal is, isn't it?
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They put out a shot that fit what the Guru was designed for, which in my mind is the "perfect shot" for any ball, the shot it was designed to conquer. They're showing that on the conditions it was designed for, it will outperform similar offerings from any other company. However, given different perspectives for different balls, the Crux will outperform any other ball on the shot it was designed for, likewise with just about any other ball you want to select. This is all also at box finish.
What I think they're intending to show though is that for a ball that hooks this much, it does so with more length and a stronger backend motion than is currently available on the market. This shot shape specifically I don't believe has been achieved before with a ball that hooks this much, and I think that's what they were trying to show. If you line up based on any of those other balls striking, the Guru will then overhook.
Sorry to go off-topic here, but I have to disagree with what you wrote here.
Radical, as I saw it, didn't put out a "perfect shot" for the Guru. They put out a shot. They then showed that most of the other balls considered to be "hooking" balls by their compeition, actually hook less then the Guru with the Throwbot making sure every shot is the same. They aren't sugercoating anything. Between the two videos they have made, they have shown balls that strike. They have shown balls that would work, but those balls usually hooked earlier and didn't produce the same reaction shape of the Guru. Almost any "hooking" ball can be made to work on true heavy oil. Between the drill, the surface, and moving your feet. But Radical is showing that if you want the biggest "Engine" underneath you at the starting line, go with the Guru, then tweak it as needed to fit your game and your style.
Exactly. They put out the perfect shot for the Guru, and then basically showed that it reacts differently than other balls. If you lined up based on the Jackal, then all the sudden the Guru would be early and hook too much. The Guru looked pretty bad for Hess during the PBA Scorpion Championship, it hit flat and didn't turn the corner well. However, it's still a really good ball . . and they do have a point. It goes longer, hooks more, and has more of a defined breakpoint than other big hooking balls. All those attributes aren't supposed to go together that well.
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A quote from your original post:
However, I started thinking about getting a new ball with similar specs/reaction for when I decide to retire my Aura Paranormal. Motiv is a brand that I started using this last year and I liked so far, but I'm also interested in trying Radical... So, which balls better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
I thought getting a ball similar to the Aura was the point to begin with?
If you're not sure about the Guru, the Jackal also may not be that great of an option, it also hooks quite a bit. I might actually drop down a line or two to the Revolt or Revolt Vengeance (which both still might be too much ball) or the Score or Yeti Unleashed.
I thought about that, but having already an Aura Paranormal, it wouldn't be buying more of the same if I get the Revolt or the Revolt Vengeance? Those balls are close to what the Aura Paranormal is, isn't it?
Yes, I know I started with that, but I since I said it before, sometimes the AP is not enough for when I have bowled in a sport pattern or when the lanes are with heavy oil, I'm looking for something that have the same kind of reaction and specs, but designed for heavier conditions. I'm sorry if I didn't explained myself. As I said it before, my english sucks! hehe :-X
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Your English seems better then mine or most. If you keep your AP in good condition then you have a ball for most everything and a Guru or whatever for the heavier oil, flatter patterns.
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Yeah your English is a lot better than most people that speak it as a first language . .
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Yeah your English is a lot better than most people that speak it as a first language . .
Your English seems better then mine or most. If you keep your AP in good condition then you have a ball for most everything and a Guru or whatever for the heavier oil, flatter patterns.
lol! Thanks! I'm always trying to improve the way I speak/write in english, so I'll take the compliment!
Ok, so to set the record straight, The Aura Paranomal would be great for almost everything, but if I want a ball for tournaments, heavier patterns, nationals, etc, I should get something stronger, like a Guru, Jackal, Covert Revolt Vengeance, or something like that, correct? Because as I said it before and in my previous experience, sometimes the AP is not enough for when I'm bowling on heavy oil, even it is supposed to be designed for medium/heavy oil.
Sorry if I look a little confused here, but I'm trying to learn about bowling, balls, layouts, patterns, etc, that sometimes it is a little overwhelming!
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Yes. Your AP plus another ball for a good two ball option as needed for most conditions. One for heavy oil and one for everything under heavy oil.
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Guru is a hook monster. The Brunswick Intregue is also an awesome ball very strong for a hybrid.
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The Guru is super strong as others have said. It hooks a bunch and is geared to handle heavier oil like no other. The new Thug Unruly is also a very good heavy oil ball. The closest ball oob to the Paranormal is the Mastermind Intellect. As you add surface to both balls you would find the Intellect to be stronger than the Paranormal. The Mastermind Intellect would potentially fill both voids in your bag. You would just need to scuff to 500 or 1000 when you encountered more oil. Kid lost is correct in saying that the score is probably closest to the Paranormal in the Radical line. If I was looking for an oil ball I would get a Guru. If I was looking to replace the Paranormal I would get an Intellect, which is a little stronger or a Thug which is a little cleaner through the front part of the lane.
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The Mastermind Intellect has been the biggest hooking ball I have thrown so far. Not tried the Guru or the Unruly. I have an Unruly on the way.
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I have a Jackel and a Guru. The Guru is drilled with the pin a little higher and farther from my pap. The Jackel has the pin just above the ring finger about 1/2 an inch. For me the Jackel hooks earlier and more than the Guru. They both have the box surface. The Guru seems to have a little more backend and the Jackel rolls a little more for me. They both carry well. One thing I have noticed is that without enough head oil the Jackel seems to burn up more and hit weaker.
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The Guru is super strong as others have said. It hooks a bunch and is geared to handle heavier oil like no other. The new Thug Unruly is also a very good heavy oil ball. The closest ball oob to the Paranormal is the Mastermind Intellect. As you add surface to both balls you would find the Intellect to be stronger than the Paranormal. The Mastermind Intellect would potentially fill both voids in your bag. You would just need to scuff to 500 or 1000 when you encountered more oil. Kid lost is correct in saying that the score is probably closest to the Paranormal in the Radical line. If I was looking for an oil ball I would get a Guru. If I was looking to replace the Paranormal I would get an Intellect, which is a little stronger or a Thug which is a little cleaner through the front part of the lane.
Yes. Your AP plus another ball for a good two ball option as needed for most conditions. One for heavy oil and one for everything under heavy oil.
Great! Yeah, I definitely need a strong ball suited for heavier conditions. the Aura still works pretty good, and it still can be used for a while, but since I'm about to retire one of my favorites balls (Wicked Siege) and I bought the AP almost at the same time as the Wicked, I started thinking about when it will be the time to retire the AP.
One of my teammates has the Mastermind Intellect and it is indeed an impressive and strong ball, it has a little bit more lenght and more backend than my AP but overall it looks close to the AP, and being a Brunswick, I'm sure it has to be the closest I can get to the original AP. The only thing that makes me think about what to get is that with so many options in the market I don't want to get the "wrong" ball and I want to fill the holes that I have in my arsenal right now, which is the lack of a heavy ball, but I do really appreciate all your comments and advice, it really helped me to take a decision! Thank you so much for all your help! This forum is great! :)
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I have a Jackel and a Guru. The Guru is drilled with the pin a little higher and farther from my pap. The Jackel has the pin just above the ring finger about 1/2 an inch. For me the Jackel hooks earlier and more than the Guru. They both have the box surface. The Guru seems to have a little more backend and the Jackel rolls a little more for me. They both carry well. One thing I have noticed is that without enough head oil the Jackel seems to burn up more and hit weaker.
Great! You are the first person here that actually have both bowling balls and it is really helpful for me to read about your experience with both balls. I sent you a message with some questions that I have regarding your experience.
Thanks!