Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
Armoring the EPIC BATTLEtm is the new Ultimate Visiontm solid particle coverstock. The unique blend of a super strong base reactive material in combination with a light particle load gives you traction in the heaviest of oils.
At the heart of the Battle is the new Maximus IItm weight block. This low RG (2.48) / High Differential (.050) core creates a Mass Bias Differential of (.026) that generates an earlier move in the lane, then delivers a bone-crushing backend reaction.
Specifications
Factory Finish 800 machine sanded
Track Flare Potential 7+ Inches
Lane Condition Heavy Oil
Cover Stock Ultimate Visiontm Solid Particle
Weight Block Maximus IItm Core
Color Crimson / Steel / Charcoal
D-Scale 73 -75
Available Weights 14 -16 Pounds
Spin Rate 5 Seconds (15lbs)
Core Dynamics
WEIGHTS RG DIFFERENTIAL
16 lb. 2.47 (Low) .046 (Medium-High)
15 lb. 2.48 (Low) .050 (High)
14 lb. 2.52 (Med) .040 (Medium)
RG: X-axis RG: Y-axis RG: Z-axis Mass Bias
Differential
2.483 2.534 2.508 .026 (15lbs)
Post by: Mark Curran on January 23, 2006, 08:46:35 PM
For those of you that don't want to read the text, the short of it is this is one freaking strong ball. It looks good too.
Took the new Epic Battle out for 8 games of practice today. Fresh house condition with backends striped clean. Normally the lanes are absolute toast on Sunday mornings but when you know the laneman sometimes you get a favor to test a new ball.
The ball is punched roughly 4 x 4.5 with the pin right next to my ring finger. So close that the pin was nicked by the drill bit toward the bottom of the finger hole. No Xtra hole needed. So a strong ball and strong layout. Although I have many of the current Roto Grip balls, I didn't punch and Epic solid and wasn't sure what to expect of the Battle in terms of roll characteristics.
Expected it to be strong but just how strong?
First few tosses to get warmed up I alternated between the Battle, an RSX and a Saturn (all new toys). Once warmed up I put the other balls away and focused on the Battle -- which was much stronger off the spot than the other balls.
The Battle revs up really nice and carries energy down the lane. Midlane read is superb. I was getting about 7-8 thick oil track rings with a bunch of drier rings visible. About 6 to 7 inches of obvious track flare. For a strong core / cover combination on a house pattern I was excited to see it wasn't rolling out or hitting weak.
I decide to swing the ball for a couple games to see how it would recover from errant pitches right and also if it would hold on inside tosses. It recovered well from outside misses but wasn't as friendly to inside misses. Not bad but this ball is strong enough that once it moves left it wants to keep going left so if you must miss with the Battle please miss outside. I had 5+ boards of room where I could strike and that is more than enough room.
How about hit? Nothing short of amazing. OK, folks tend to be excited about new toys and we may say that every new ball hits harder than the last one. Certainly all of the Rotos hit well but for reasons I don't always understand, some balls impart more energy into the pins than others. Whatever the reason, the Battle puts more energy to the pins than any ball I've thrown in a long time. It reminds me of the first time I threw a Hammer 3D or the Partical Silver Streak. The pins basically get sucked into the pit and anything not in the pit is bouncing and flying around looking for something else to hit. Very cool.
I'm a decent player (no laughing please) but my ball roll is a bit upright and forward so at times I may struggle to snap the ten out and I rarely send messengers or the four pin back across the lane. With the the Epic Battle, on anything resembling a good shot I was bashing four pins across the lane and the ten was sent to bed. The Epic Battle also keeps the pins low to deck where they can knock over their buddies. It's hard to describe but not only is the hit wicked strong but the pins stay low which is where they need to be in order to enhance carry.
After a few games swinging the ball I moved 5 right with my feet and squared up to the lane. This is the best way to play this center and the house shot for maximum carry. Basically square up, target 7-8 board with a smooth release and let the ball work. On this line with the Battle the pins exploded and were gone. Shot a few 250s and got bored. Loved the ball reaction and hit from this angle.
So to paraphrase one of may favorite cable TV shows, Dream Car Garage: "Do you want a ball like this"? Oh baby you better believe you want a ball like this!!!
Remains to see how this one works on big oil but the Battle seems stronger than the RSP and perhaps even more than the Partical Streak which are my choices for Roto Grip strong balls. When I see oil I know what's coming out of the bag first.
Finally, I usually don't care what a ball looks like, but the Battle is also quite attractive with the red/black/gray mix.
Mark
Post by: rotomike on February 02, 2006, 08:07:13 AM
I was an addict last night. I had to throw it on my med/dry house shot league. So what I was bending an SSSE the week prior by throwing it at the gutter... Man! does the Battle come off of the spot hard. I never expected this much hook out of a particle ball. I had to move towards the middle of the lane as the night went on but I never really lost my look. I made some grotesquely bad shots last night and NEVER missed the pocket!!!! Pulled shots into the oil line still finished with authority. Early misses into the dry came hooking back. Carry is crisp and powerful! Continuation through the pins is very impressive. Not to mention the color catches attention. I will have a more technical review of the ball after I bowl tonite on a sloppy wet sport shot.
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Mike Sinek
Roto Grip Advisory Staff
Kingdom member for life
Post by: NickRyan on February 06, 2006, 08:45:16 PM
I got rid of my One, had to get another voodoo ball. This is the craziest ball I have ever thrown. It will really open up the lanes for every person who owns one. The color looks cool on the rack, but when you throw it, it's ugly as hell, the ball looks like it's a beach ball. That's the only bad thing. I get some laughs when I throw it because it looks like crap, but when it transitions from the mid lane, they stop laughing. This ball is friggin rediculous. The most hook I have ever seen on any ball ever made. Roto Grip did something good with this one.
Post by: bowlersrus on February 07, 2006, 01:15:42 PM
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Post by: rotomike on February 08, 2006, 03:33:54 PM
HOLY COW !!!!
Layout: Stacked under the ring finger. No hole 4.5 x 4.5 (pin x CG) MB is swung a bit towards my axis.
Sport Shot 43ft. heavy volume -
I'm the only person who had hook. Small as it may have been but I could hook the ball to the pocket. Shot a nice 627 for the first three. I am very pleased with the continuation of this ball even on a super heavy condition.
Sport Shot 42ft. League Legal version of 2006 Team USA Mens' Long Pattern
This ball made the pattern look like a house shot. 230, 237, 201 (the transition game where I usually have trouble making it past 185) and finally 245. Never lost my hit!!!
This ball comes off the spot with such a positive move!!!! The hitting power is out of this world.
The biggest payoff comes from the looks on people's faces after they throw the ball for the first time.
I drilled one for a teammate I got to watch him in practice on Sunday. He came back off of the approach looking dumbfounded. As soon as he refocused his eyes and stopped drooling he commented that he had never seen a ball work like the Battle does on any Sport Condition.
The strength of this ball is outstanding.
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Mike Sinek
Roto Grip Advisory Staff
Kingdom member for life
Post by: vivasrv on February 13, 2006, 04:12:06 PM
Corey Atkinson
Roto-Grip Regional Staff
Post by: strombergM on February 18, 2006, 03:41:03 PM
I first threw this ball on a left over house pattern with considerable carry down. To my amazement, this ball recovered real well on the backend and still managed to conserve enough energy to hit real hard and keep the pins low. Also with this ball, my carry is unbelievable! I can carry with this ball just about any angle I enter the pocket. Compared to the way I have my oracle drilled (stacked leverage w/ weight hole. Pin out. Shined to 1500) the Epic Battle will read the lanes so much sooner and more aggressively then my Oracle, which is better used for transition. The Epic Battle is the ball you can take out of your bag during the A squad when the lanes are very slick, and open up the surface with.
During my sport league, we bowled on a 36ft. pattern (Medium) on heddon synthetic lanes and I was able to stand on 21 with my feet and throw the ball from 9-10 at the arrows to 7-8 at the breakpoint and have it come back to the pocket very hard. I loved the way that I can use a little bit of angle and have the ball recover in the backend. My bowling style is a tweener with an average of 14mph down the lane so this ball’s aggressive cover stock (ultimate vision solid particle) helps bowlers with lower revs and ball speed like me to come around the corner on longer sport patterns with heavier oil.
Overall, I love the tremendous hitting power and carry of the Epic Battle! If you are looking for a high performance low load particle ball, look no further and try the Epic Battle today! The reaction of the Epic Battle will leave you breathless. Roto-Grip has once again delivered another A+ bowling ball!
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Matthew Stromberg
Roto Grip Advisory Staff Member
Post by: Roto Runner on February 19, 2006, 06:21:29 AM
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Kelly ODriscoll
Roto Grip Staff
Post by: thegame on February 21, 2006, 01:26:03 AM
Post by: STEVEN HAUK on February 21, 2006, 02:48:45 PM
THIS BALL REALLY HELPS OPEN THE LANE UP MORE.THE FIRST NIGHT THAT I USED IT IN THE LEAGUE HOUSE SHOT 42FT WITH FRESH BACKENDS. I WAS PLAYING 3RD ARROW TO ABOUT 9 BOARD AND SHOT 733 . I CAN SEE THAT I WAS ABLE TO MORE LEFT THAN THE LEAGUE BOWLERS.I DI NOT HAVE TO MOVE MUCH MORE LEFT FOR THAT SET. I WAS THE ONLY SEVEN SHOT THAT NIGHT.WE HAD OUR ANNUAL CITY CHAMPSHIP THIS PAST WEEKEND AND WEEKND COMING UP . IN THE TEAM PORTION OF THE EVENT I SHOT 237 300 224 FOR 761 SET . WITH THE EPIC BATTLE. I WAS PLAYING 16 TO 10 AND KEEPING IN THE OIL .
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THIS BALL TO EVERYBODY THAT WANTS SOMETHING IN THEIR EQUIPMENT THAT GRABS THE LANE EVEN IF THE LANES ARE VERY TIGHT .
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STEVEN HAUK
ROTO GRIP STAFF MEMBER
Post by: STEVEN HAUK on February 21, 2006, 02:49:12 PM
THIS BALL REALLY HELPS OPEN THE LANE UP MORE.THE FIRST NIGHT THAT I USED IT IN THE LEAGUE HOUSE SHOT 42FT WITH FRESH BACKENDS. I WAS PLAYING 3RD ARROW TO ABOUT 9 BOARD AND SHOT 733 . I CAN SEE THAT I WAS ABLE TO MORE LEFT THAN THE LEAGUE BOWLERS.I DI NOT HAVE TO MOVE MUCH MORE LEFT FOR THAT SET. I WAS THE ONLY SEVEN SHOT THAT NIGHT.WE HAD OUR ANNUAL CITY CHAMPSHIP THIS PAST WEEKEND AND WEEKND COMING UP . IN THE TEAM PORTION OF THE EVENT I SHOT 237 300 224 FOR 761 SET . WITH THE EPIC BATTLE. I WAS PLAYING 16 TO 10 AND KEEPING IN THE OIL .
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THIS BALL TO EVERYBODY THAT WANTS SOMETHING IN THEIR EQUIPMENT THAT GRABS THE LANE EVEN IF THE LANES ARE VERY TIGHT .
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STEVEN HAUK
ROTO GRIP STAFF MEMBER
Post by: Mr Scary on February 22, 2006, 10:00:19 AM
Great addition to the Roto Grip line, for heavy oil conditions. Very strong arcing ball, with great hitting power, and consistent roll. A bit stronger that the EPIC, but still the same hitting power. If you are looking for a heavy oil ball, or play straighter, and want more hook, this is the ball. It is most effective with medium to heavy oil.
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Chris Slagter
Roto Grip Advisory Staff
Post by: SenorRotoGrip on February 22, 2006, 04:04:32 PM
Playing inside on the longer pattern the Battle went smoothly through the front part of the lane. Turning the corner was fine, but with little to no margin of error when I missed right by a couple of boards.
I brought the ball back to the shop and drilled a 5/8" hole, 1 3/4" deep to bring the static side weight to zero. That did the trick. The Epic Battle now turned the corner with no problem and plenty of energy to carry both flush and off pockets hits with ease.
For those bowler's who bowl on house conditions with heavier concentrations of oil in the middle, the Epic Battle should give you the push through the oil where other light load particles do not.
Questions: e-mail bowlingpro@charter.net.
SenorRotoGrip
Pro Shop Staff Member
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Senor RotoGrip
Post by: jeorj on February 23, 2006, 03:30:24 PM
I got my ball drilled with the pin 4" from pap and a strong MB setting, balance hole half inch below the pap on the verticle.
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Tossed my stacked AMF torque to see how the lanes were playing and it barely moved.
Layed the Battle out there about 15 to 7 and had a really good midlane roll and smacked the crap out of the pins...tried to trow straight up 7 and still got a really good turn into the pocket...only tossed one game with it sofar to try it out, but will add more later...even the driller was suprised at how well the ball got up and turned to the pocket, as the pin placement is a little high.
Even trying different lines still shot a 210 out of box...I am very pleased with this ball.
Post by: jagz0831 on March 08, 2006, 05:35:56 PM
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I was very suprised this ball cleans the heads farelly clean and is a screamer later on the lane. Ball does need oil especially if you have any sort of hand. So if your looking for a aggresive ball get this one!!!!
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Post by: hSDw on March 11, 2006, 04:56:52 PM
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Roto Grip Staff
Post by: zaphod69us on March 16, 2006, 04:45:12 PM
Post by: John Brodersen on March 19, 2006, 05:07:05 PM
Drilled the Battle (solid particle) 3.5†X 55 degrees, pin below and slightly right of ring finger. Extra hole 57/64 located 1.5 inches below PAP and ¾ of a inch inside VAL, pitched towards mass bias and away from the weight block.
The surface was left in OOB condition when first thrown. With this surface and drill the Battle exhibited the earliest lane read of any ROTO ball I have thrown. It still reacted with a good mid-lane arc and did not roll out as I was expecting based on the early read. The look through the pins is very different, as it seems to “push†the pins into the pit. I then added a light polish to the Battle’s cover. This definitely helped get the ball a few feet further through the heads and made it a little stronger but still very controllable in the mid-lane and backend. Mr. Boomershine and the outstanding crew at RotoGrip continue to come up with outstanding new products and have definitely released their best heavy oil ball to date. Just ask Tyler Jensen for his opinion on this little nugget.
John Brodersen
Post by: RevLefty on March 20, 2006, 12:21:47 PM
Balls: 2 Epic Battles Both 15lbs both have 3-4 pins with low top weights
Lane conditions: 1 house old wood with guardian, 1 old amf sythetics, 1 all wood, 2 new synthetics basically all shots and lanes
I have two of these monsters:
First one driilled it in the 3x4 drilling with pin 2 in out from ring and above one inch. Mass bias and pin stacked under pin. Left this one in oob condition. I used this on most condiitions. The condition I use if for is med heavy to heavy. It clears the head very cleanly then reds the mids well and makes a very angular entry to the pocket on heavy i usually use this around 15 at arrows and swing to 5 and it comes back like no other. All balls hit hard the way i throw them but this is one of few that impress me with the carry i get out of it.Usually when I hit the pocket that hard I leave a lot of crazy stuff like stone 9s and 8s and fst sixes not with this gem since I received this ball if i can throw it it is in my hand. Dont want to put it down. For being a solid dull particle it has a verystrong angular backend like a reactive on med heavy to heavy. I suggest you only use on this condition if you leave in oob condition otherwise it wont save the energy. Wonderful piece.
Second one is drilled with pin above bridge cg kicked 3 inch from center of grip with mass bias in strong position with mb about 4 inches left of thumb. I polished this with brunswick factory finish high gloss. I use this one on med to med heavy oil (use this one lot more often). Have had multiple award scores with this one. This one clears the heads a lot easier and makes the same move as the other just on the lighter conditions. Seems to work well on all surfaces. Basically I got this one after the first so i could throw this wonderful ball a little more often. And it did fit the bill. Give this ball a solid 9 out of 10(reserve the 10 out of ten for the ball that produces the 900 for me. lol) Keep these gems coming roger and for all those out there not using rotos let this be your first try you wont go back!!!!!
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Boy do I love bowling, stone 8,stone 9, ringer 7,fly by 10,fast six got to love this game. Short look at what most of my games look like with a few strikes peppered in between. Isn't it wonderful.
Post by: Roto-Mat on March 24, 2006, 05:15:14 PM
Pics of my (3) battles can be seen here:
Strong: http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h305/Roto-Mat/BattleStrong.jpg
Medium: http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h305/Roto-Mat/BattleOver.jpg
Favorite: http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h305/Roto-Mat/BattleMato1.jpg
Ball(s) Stats:
Strong Battle
Pin Location: 5"/Under Ring Finger
Mass Bias Location: 70 Degrees
Weight Hole: On PAP
Personal Favorite Surface Condition: Red or Gray Scotch Brite
Medium Battle
Pin Location: 5.5"/Over Ring Finger
Mass Bias Location: 70 Degrees
Weight Hole: On PAP
Personal Favorite Surface Condition: Gray or White Scotch Brite
Favorite Battle
Pin Location: 6" from PAP WAY ABOVE Ring Finger
Mass Bias Location: 45 Degrees (Above and Right of Thumb)
Weight Hole: 3.5" Over 1" Up
Personal Favorite Surface Condition: Gray or White Scotch Brite
Review:
Conditions I Would Consider Using This Ball On:
Longer Patterns
Heavier Volume Patterns
Tighter Backend Patterns
Most House Shots
Almost any condition on Anvilane
These Battles are insane for the amount of conditions that they are usable on. Very good core/cover combination with the Epic Battle. If I find myself bowling on longer/tighter/heavier patterns I can use these Battles without nearly any worry of squirt past the midlane. The most amazing thing to me about these balls is how well they roll in the oil with out destroying the pattern and making that part of the lane unplayable. On longer patterns, I can use either my Strong Battle or my Favorite Battle from inside angles near the pocket and these balls will still read the mid lane and get the corner pins out. If I am bowling on a shorter/heavier pattern, I can use my Medium Battle or my Favorite battle with out fear of the ball over-reacting once it comes off of the dry. If I am faced with a condition that is giving me tighter backends, I can pick any battle amongst the three and use the one gives me the best look throughout the lane. And on anvilane.........I have always had some sort of trouble with Anvilane in the past (on most patterns outside of dry/medium dry) with getting a good midlane read. These Epic Battles were the answer for me. Even on really long/heavy patterns on Anvilane I have used my Strong Battle with red scotch brite with GREAT success.
Conditions I would not consider using these balls on:
Low Volume Patterns
Short Patterns
Poorly Maintained Wood Lanes/Guardian/Lane Shield
Since these balls have a quick spin time and read the LANE so well, these balls had a tendency to burn up a little too quick for me on these types of conditions (even if heavier oil was applied to bad lanes). I tried polishing my Medium and Strong Battles to get a good look on these types of lane conditions, and the only one I had marginal success on was on the lower volume patterns.....but there was always another ball in my bag that would handle this pattern better. For me, The Battle is far better off being in a dull(er) state and being used on those patterns made for it.
Roto-Grip Balls Up or Down:
Ball Up In Reaction: Does Not Exist (Yet)
Ball Down In Reaction: Regular Epic or RS-P
As far as finding a ball up in reaction.....My strong Battle with red scotch brite is just a beast. Finding another ball stronger is unfathomable and probably un-needed (at this point in time). The Battle is simply pure usable hook and roll.
Finding a ball down in reaction is a little bit tricky. It depends on what I am reading on the lane. If I am finding that the head oil is going away BUT not to the backend creating carry down, I can go to my Regular Epic (Pin drilled 5" over ring finger mass bias 70 degrees) and play near the same part of the lane as my Medium or Favorite Battle. I may have to move 3-5 boards right depending on how chewed up the pattern is getting. If The head oil is going away with a bit of carry down, I can switch to my RS-P (Pin drilled 5" above ring finger mass bias 70 degrees) which can get down the lane a little bit better than the Battle can, but can still roll through the carry down.
Caveats for others to consider:
As I have drilled this ball for other bowlers, here are something’s to consider:
DO Place the pin far (5"+) From your axis if you have a higher rev rate
DO Place the pin above your fingers if you have a higher rev rate (unless you face a ton of oil)
DONT Place the mass bias in your track (I haven’t done this but have seen what happens when other drillers have done this)
DO Play with the surface until you find what works best for you
DO Change balls when you need to. If this ball is burning up move left or put it away.
One more thing..........
On my "favorite battle" I placed the pin about 2" above my fingers. It looks like the Patrick Allen or Tommy Jones drill. I drilled this ball for a tournament that was coming up where the gutter plays extremely well. Well it turns out that this ball didn’t really like to play the gutter all that much. As a matter of fact, this ball likes nearly every other condition I have been on since I drilled it. For me this layout (almost) COMPLETELY ignores the heads and reads the midlane EXTREMELY well.
Also, the Epic Battle shirts are one of the best looking bowling shirts I've seen.
Thank you for your time in reading this review. I hope that you have found it to be helpful. If you have any questions please feel free to PM me and I will try to help you as much as I can.
Thanks!
Mat Henning
Roto-Grip Staffer
Champions Bowling Services
Post by: Steve Richter on March 24, 2006, 06:53:37 PM
The Epic Battle is the first real “chew through the snot†ball from Utah in any of the three brands in quite some time, if ever.
This is now a ball that can compete on a level playing field with the Ultimate Inferno and Strike Zone balls in their ability to roll out of heavily oiled lanes. The light loaded cover works great in the factory finish, but you need oil up front, or a speed adjustment to keep it on line when going straighter. And, don’t be afraid to challenge it to go as far left to right as you want.
The New Maximus core revs quickly, but still gives an angular motion on the back of the lane. Shining the cover, or smoothing it with 2000 Abralon, enhances that motion. The 2nd Battle I laid out never bucketed on all of the patterns I threw it on – it always found a way to get back to the hole.
If you’re been waiting for the Storm plant to produce a Big Boy Ball for the heaviest of conditions, you won’t be disappointed by the Battle.
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Steve Richter
Roto Grip Amateur Staff Member
Post by: doubleS on March 25, 2006, 07:52:58 AM
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Post by: pindreamer on March 25, 2006, 02:33:33 PM
I would usually drill my balls with the pin out 4 to 5" but I wanted to see what would happen with this ball drilled stacked leverage. I figured it would roll up a bit early but that I could polish it to help it get down the lane if need be. I use 14lb equipment so the RG is higher than you get on 15 or 16. First used it on a house shot and was surprised at the length I got out of the box. It was very forgiving with a distinct angular motion to the pocket. If I got it wide onto the dry boards early it would hook and hold but if I tugged it into the oil it would still recover well on the backend. The pin action and carry was great. Left a few 8 and 9 pins.
Bowled in a Senior East regional on pattern #2 (36' flat 5 board to 5 board). On a shot that played pretty tough all weekend (+37 to qualify and +8 to cash)many players were complaining about having no area. I was consistently 2 to 4 boards left of those around me and had about a 3 board area I could play with. I was also carrying light hits where not to many around me were. I eventually lost in the round of 8 to someone also using an Epic Battle (he shot 279).
This is one of the best balls I've ever drilled up. So far I see no weak points at all. It is obviously not a dry lane ball but as long as you can find some oil on the lanes you should be able to score with this puppy.
Post by: BrandonR on March 26, 2006, 07:51:04 PM
Thanks for reading.
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Post by: Admiral50 on March 28, 2006, 07:46:44 AM
Do yourself a favor drill one up, you won't be dissapointed.
Thank you,
Justin Godfrey
RG Pro Shop Staff
Post by: YOMOP1212 on April 10, 2006, 09:42:12 PM
JEFFREY BUTLER
ROTO GRIP STAFF
Post by: Lanedevil on May 15, 2006, 05:44:47 PM
This ball is versatile, aggressive, and makes long oil patterns look non exsistant. After bowling with this ball myself, and drilling several of them for customers I can honestly say that I have not seen a ball that can get threw the oil as well as this one does.
800 box finish for this ball has worked well for me playing deep on the average house shot, and has worked well on each of the sports shots that I have tried it on to date. As for other bowlers that I have drilled this ball for the response has been the same this ball is the confidence builder and the first ball out of the bag, strokers and crankers alike.
As I have stressed to all of my customers you are only going to get the peak potential out of this ball as long as you take care of the cover, you can not let the cover get slick, oily, or generally dirty. As long as you take care of the cover this ball will take care of you.
Jason
Roto Grip Priority Pro Shop
Post by: RotoDave on May 23, 2006, 11:18:55 PM
Best thing about the Battle in my opinion is that they didnt go overboard on the particles. If you find that the combination of heavy load particle covers with strong cores make a ball hit like a queer marshmallow, then you need to give this ball a chance.
I can use the Battle on medium/heavy with dry backends - just get in deep and hit the pocket with a banana shot - or if the going gets soupy, I just play up the boards. I wouldnt usually get the chance to see an oil ball slide much, but when i do see the oil the Battle revs up like Road Runner's legs, and then disappears off towards the pocket in a puff of smoke.
Smooth compared with the Epic on their intended conditions, as the Battle gets started slightly earlier. Can handle carrydown better as well, so its a good ball to switch to if you started with the Epic and it begins to scoot.
I shot 278 straight out of the box with mine. Best combination of strength and smooth power i've ever come across. I'm well pleased and it payed for itself extremely quickly.
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Post by: The SuperHitMan on August 10, 2006, 11:49:28 PM
This is the 3rd and best RG ball I've ever thrown and it doesen't act like particle, this ball is a monster and its so predicatable its amazing. Carries and hard and hits like a brick. It doesen't hook through to pocket it just drives straight through it. I was very impressed with what I saw from the battle Maximus Core, for real this ball is the truth. Stop playing with your life and get one your game will thank you. And I shot 300 with it!! UNNNNNGH TREY BALL!!
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Wayne Saunders: AH-HUUUUUHHHHH KACE YOU SHOT 300 AH-HUUUUHHHHHHHH!!!
Janeen Hall: Congratulations Baby.
Tommy B: I'm proud of you.....
Mike Hall: I yelled the last shot in there....
K.C. White II:
And I did it My Way Hooking the lane with a high-end piece, an Epic Battle. Take that Mr. Slater...I did it my way I got what I came for.Team Member Of
Hoss Central Inc.
Post by: forrestrcsd on August 22, 2006, 02:56:29 AM
Post by: Monster Stitch on September 25, 2006, 01:17:18 PM
15.00lbs
4 inch pin
3.6 top
Layout:
Pin 5 inches from PAP
MB 5 inches from PAP
Pin over ring finger
MB kicked out 2/5 inches
On the THS this ball rocks. It revs up going down and then when it hits friction is has a hard arc. Amazing. This ball sends pins across the deck.
I get the same reaction on wood and synthetic. I have never seen this ball roll out or lose power until the heads start to burn up. When carry down starts to happen you have to tighten your angles and go straighter. The cover is very versatile. Using different hand positions the ball responds perfectly.
I tried the Battle polished once and it went very long. But when it hits friction, it makes a sharper move compared when it is sanded.
Another great ball by Roto Grip.
Post by: grandparotogrip on October 27, 2006, 01:24:13 AM
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Post by: Moose Nugget on October 31, 2006, 09:25:19 PM
4.75 x 6 layout with no weight hole thanks to offset CG
OOB condition this ball will cover any medium to heavy oil condition as long as you can find some head oil. Battle absolutely ignores carrydown and I have seen it actually help at times with this ball. This is the best oiler I have thrown, bar none. Can play up the boards or swing it from 44 over 22 out to 7 and still carry.
Battle is best when facing med-heavy pattern with some carrydown. Only thing I have noticed is this ball picks up everything it comes near. Part of that is the fact it has grey in the cover and it shows dirt easier than darker colors. Battle needs regular cleaning due to its color and highly absorbent cover. Overall a Great product from RotoGrip.
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Todd
Bandit Lanes Pro Shop
Ellsworth AFB South Dakota
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Post by: BrandonR on November 11, 2006, 08:57:53 PM
Epic Battle #1-Epic Battle Layout #1 MB on VAL (http://"http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/Calimon08/EpicBattleMBonVAL.jpg")
This ball is in its OOB finish. The layout is a 4in pin with the MB on the VAL. This layout was suggested by Ernest of the Roto Grip Tech Staff. The purpose of this layout was for 2nd Shift league shot/playing inside 20/with a large amount of carrydown. After using this ball for about 10 games I noticed that this ball rolls of the spot very hard and has a very strong continous motion on the backend. A few times I leaked the ball into the friction a bit too much but the ball seemed to ignore that and move just as smooth than if I threw it correctly, meaning this is a very forgiving ball.
Epic Battle #2-Epic Battle Layout #2 (http://"http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/Calimon08/EpicBattle2Layout.jpg")
Surface Prep-Started with box finish,followed by a 1000 then 2000 grit abralon pad. Then used a particle polish.
Layout- 5 by 4 to pap with a x-hole 2 1/4in above pap. Same layout as my Epic Saga. I chose to use this layout because I wanted a ball that read the midlane a bit earlier than my Saga and that had a better reaction for fresher conditions. As expected, I got my wish. Compared to my Saga this Battle reads the lane about 3 feet eariler and has a smoother backend motion of the spot, but still has that continious backend motion that the Epic line is known for. I played everywhere on the lane from up 10 to just inside 20. It seemed no matter where I played this ball kept coming back for more.
Overall- Great Read, Great Recovery, Strong Backends= More strikes! What more could you ask for.
Thanks for reading and I hope this helps someone looking to drill this very versatile ball.
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Post by: Captain Stabbin on December 23, 2006, 11:35:44 AM
Post by: CHawk15 on January 13, 2007, 10:26:11 PM
Battle #1:
Pin to CG Distance 4.5 "
Topweight: 2-3 oz.
Layout: Pin High (1/2 in. above ring finger) w/ Mass Bias kicked slightly out to the right. (Not sure of Pin to PAP and Pin to Mass Bias distances.)
Reaction: Lopes through the heads, strong late midlane and hard arcing backend.
Surface: 500-grit
This ball was originally meant to be my heavy oil ball, but at first it went too long because of the long pin. I took the surface down to see if I could make it work a little better on the heavy stuff and it helped, but not as much as I wanted it to. I had it plugged and redrilled for a smoother and earlier roll and that made a huge difference. This ball still isn't the heavy oil ball I was looking for originally because it doesn't roll early enough, but it's pretty good for carrydown and to control over/under. On occaission, it's also pretty good to use to develop a shot because of the surface that was put on it. If the heads are fried, put this ball away because it'll never get down the lane. It's also very important to keep up the maintenance on the coverstock because this ball does absorb a little bit of oil, but not like the One series from Ebonite.
Overall, I didn't get exactly what I wanted with this ball, but it was my fault because I didn't know how to pick a pin to CG distance back then. But I was able to make it usable with a little work and I shot 706 with it in a Sunday night league with messed up backends and a pretty good wall inside 10.
Battle #2:
Pin to CG Distance: 2.5-3 inches
Topweight: 3 oz.
Layout:
5x3 (Pin Under and Mass Bias in strong position)
Reaction:
Revs up right off the release, strong midlane and hard arcing backend reaction.
Surface:
OOB
Comments:
After learning my lessons with Battle #1, I got a second Battle in an anyball summer league and this time I got the reaction I was looking for when I drilled the first one. This ball rolls through just about any heavy oil pattern that I've looked at, has a very smooth transition from skid to roll which makes it a winner on heavier oil patterns or patterns that are wet/dry but have a decent amount of oil up front. The hit and carry on this ball is amazing. I have a Friday night league where they lay down a pretty significant amount of oil some nights. Most of the guys in the league couldn't get their ball to roll through the pins the right way. The Battle handled it without much of a problem as long as I kept the ball speed down and just let it roll off of my hand smoothly. As with the other Battle, put it away when the heads start to break down and coverstock maintenance is a must. This is my "go to" ball on heavy / long oil patterns, especially if the backends seem very tight.
Post by: BCCBowl007 on January 15, 2007, 09:49:32 PM
I just got this ball about a month ago and have thrown it quite a few times. Let me tell you this ball gets up and goes.On a house pattern you can throw just about anywhere and still make the pocket, it is very good at reading the lane even if the one throwing it can't.
I have the ball drilled to go long and turn and it does just that, you can play almost any line with it 20 out to 10, fire for first arrow, or anywhere in between. The ball will get up and go. However if you play on little to medium oil this ball will not do the job, it will burn right through or across the head pin. I throw the ball about 16MPH and if there is light oil I have to throw about 20MPH to even have a chance at keeping it right of the head pin.
Overall this ball is a great ball for the heavy and sometimes moderate oil patterns. If anyone out there has attempted to polish their ball let me know what it does for you!
Post by: RotoDave on January 20, 2007, 09:10:31 AM
Comes off my hand looking like its revving twice as fast as any other ball.
The low RG and cover keep it under control in the oil while it revs up and turns to hook. The Battle is just so continuous considering how early it starts getting to work.
I personally think that its the best match of core and cover that I thrown, and will suit, medium speed players with medium to high revs, down to the ground. Having said that I havent heard anyone that we've sold one to say a bad word about the ball, whether they be cranker or fluffer.
Colour scheme is great for making you look like you have hand. Core is truely a relevation, and if you like it as much as I do you should take a look at the Epic Saga, and Epic Odyssey as well. The cover is my favourite for controllable hook with its 1% particle load .. no question where this ball is going if you hit your target.
http://www.rotogrip.com/videos/epic_battle.avi
http://www.rotogrip.com/videos/epic_battle_tweener.avi
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Post by: freebird67 on January 20, 2007, 06:44:26 PM
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Post by: toomanytenpins on January 22, 2007, 01:56:42 AM
I have had this ball since september and it has been let down after let down for me. I have never even seen another one in any bowling alleys i have bowled in ,never. So I guess i am the only sucker in my area still trying to use roto grip.
The ball is drilled 3.5x4 with no weight hole it is in oob surface. I am a right hander stroker low revs and generally throw about 15 to 16 mph. Which is why i got this ball ,because it was advertised as a good ball for rev challenged bowlers,its just the opposite. It lumbers down the lane like a wet pillow. If it hits the pocket its a 10 pin. L know the old not enough oil,ball burning up cliche that you all are thinking,but i promise you this ball has the exact same move in every condition i have tried to use it on .It has a 3 to 5 board move period. This will be my last roto product.
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Post by: grandparotogrip on February 07, 2007, 12:03:17 AM
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Post by: PrecisionRotoGuy on February 09, 2007, 07:51:34 PM
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Post by: TscottRG on February 15, 2007, 08:16:32 PM
Keep Up The Great Work RG
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Epic Saga
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Post by: coop53 on February 16, 2007, 03:15:16 PM
Post by: Bowler19 on February 20, 2007, 07:42:57 PM
Revs: 350+
Axis tilt: 20-25 Deg
Axis rotation: Approx. 30 deg
Desription:
Weight (Pre-drill) 15 and change
Top weight (Pre-drill)
Pin to CG distance 3â€
Surface prep 800 Grit Polished
Drilling
Pin to PAP distance 4†Pin to grip center distance 3.5â€
Balance hole location, size, and depth. On Axis, 1†Dia, 2†deep
Approx. 60o drill with pin 1†above ring finger
Condition used was PBA Regional Pattern 1(40Ft) and THS(38Ft)
Pattern #1 Lane condition was synthetics(Brunswick).
On this pattern the ball was nice and smooth reacting and was predictable at the break point. As the oil transitioned the battle got a little over under due to the surface. On a dull surface this ball is a beast and is almost unaffected by the transition.
THS is Wood lanes and Brunswick synthetic both conditions are med oil for our areas THS
On wood this ball gives a strong smooth backend with consistent read. Synthetics with a little more oil seemed to have little effect on this ball compared to the wood lane. The ball played rather similar on both surfaces.
Line being played
Pattern #1 15/ 8 @ 38-42ft on fresh THS 20/5 @ 37 ft on fresh
Overall Thoughts
This ball is great for use on med to heavy oil pattern and has great readability and control. Ball has great traction and carry. I have tried a few different surfaces and it has been responsive to the changes.
Compared to the Oracle with a very similar drilling This ball is stronger and more aggressive throughout the entire lane. For me it is about 5 boards stronger then the oracle.
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Post by: agroves on March 11, 2007, 03:42:35 AM
Pin Length - 3.5"
Starting Top Weight - 3 oz
Ball Weight - 15lbs
DRILL PATTERN
Pin to PAP - 4"
CG to PAP - n/a
X Hole (if needed) - on pap
MB Location - 55* layout, 1 1/2 from thumb
BOWLER STYLE
Rev Rate - 325ish
Ball Speed - 17 by the quibica
PAP/Track - 5 1/2 right, 1/2 up
PICTURE AND VIDEO LINKS
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/fufunbea...803636288014/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2od6jSS8io
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbqXK6kFUHc
SURFACE PREPARATION
Grit - 800(OOB) and 800 plus rough buff
LANE CONDITION
Length - 41ft
Volume - med to heavy
Type (Wall, Xmas Tree, Sport) - various, see below
BALL REACTION(1-10)
Overall Hook - moderate
Midlane Read - reads early but doesn't jump
Breakpoint Shape - defined arc
COMMENTS
I like the fact this ball doesn't seem to mind carrydown too much. Sure, I have to make a small speed adjustment, but when other balls won't read at all this one still makes the move. At 800 on our house shot, it is very good. Good read, nice move off the pattern and carry is pretty good. With the Rough buff, it is much longer, I really liked the rough buff on the nationals pattern.
My standard line on THS is 11-8. I've found that I can move deeper and it won't burn up trying to make it back. This is one of the most angular particle balls I've ever owned, especially with the rough buff applied.
All in all a very good ball.
Andrew
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Post by: brunswick93 on August 01, 2007, 11:23:29 PM
15 lbs 0 oz
Pin Distance 6.5" +
X-BLEM ( which means it's a second made ball, not a first made ball.
I bought this ball hoping to use it on a Heavy Oil Pattern. Well, that plan backfired. I've had this ball for a couple of months now and i still can't get it to hook in heavy oil. I had to shine the ball up to get it to do something. But that's not what I bought it for. I don't mind having it shined but, it doesn't work very well in heavy oil. It works fine on Medium oil or Light oil. I don't know if it's from the ball being an X-BLEM or what, I just can't get it to hook on heavy oil. If you were to buy a roto grip ball, make sure it has stats that fit your bowling style or type. Roto Grip Balls are nice balls so I'm not saying that they are bad balls. If you were to buy a Roto Grip ball, i think you will be satisfied with it.
HERE ARE SOME PICS OF MY ROTO GRIP EPIC BATTLE,
----------------------MY EBONITE ANGULAR ONE, AND
----------------------MY BRUNSWICK ULTIMATE INFERNO.
http://s193.photobucket.com/albums/z187/brunswick93/?action=view¤t=a443b284.pbw
Post by: jeffbassingfool on January 22, 2008, 04:42:07 AM
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