Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
The SAGAtm is our latest release in the storied EPIC line of High Performance Asymmetrical bowling balls, the synergy of asymmetry along with hybrid coverstock technology delivers the sharpest backend reaction of any High Performance bowling ball on the market today.
The Maximus IItm core has proven to be one of the strongest, fastest spinning cores ever developed. Since its original inception in the Epictm and modified version in the Epic Battletm it has proven to be a winner by taking home a Megabucks Title in February 2006 along with several titles around the world.
The final touch is the newly developed Ultimate Vision Hybridtm coverstock; the combination of 1 part solid and 2 parts pearl reactive delivers superior mid-lane read and pin shattering entry angle to the pocket like no other.
Specifications
Factory Finish 1500 Polished
Track Flare Potential 7+ Inches
Lane Condition Medium Oil
Cover Stock Ultimate Vision Hybridtm
Weight Block Maximus IItm Core
Color Navy Solid / Blue Pearl / Silver Pearl
D-Scale 73 -75
Available Weights 14 -16 Pounds
Spin Rate 5 Seconds (15lbs)
Core Dynamics
WEIGHTS RG DIFFERENTIAL
16 lb. 2.47 (Low) .046 (Medium-High)
15 lb. 2.48 (Low) .050 (High)
14 lb. 2.52 (Med) .040 (Medium)
RG: X-axis RG: Y-axis RG: Z-axis Mass Bias
Differential
2.483 2.534 2.508 .026 (15lbs)
Post by: SKIDSNAP on August 10, 2006, 02:47:32 PM
I decided to drill this with the pin under my ring finger stack cg. That put the mb closer to my VAL. Pin was 4 1/2 “ from my axis.
39 ft medium volume Sport condition –
Box finish – The ball was a bit too strong for me to square up like I normally prefer to do. So I was forced to move in a bit. I am usually uncomfortable to open up my angles too much on a Sport condition but there was nothing for me to worry about. The Saga responded like a champ. I did not lose a lick of carry. The Saga hits very hard my pin carry exceeded expectations. I was able to break up splits on my (more often than I would like) bad shots.
Surface change – I changed the surface of the ball to 800 sheen. Still too strong to play square but the surface change did allow me to leak the ball to the outside a small bit more than when it was shiny. I did not lose any of the hitting power or continuation through the pins.
THS – 44ft top hat with buff
Box finish – Huge carry power and a strong but controllable reaction when playing the track area. Only drawback came when I got too deep inside of fourth arrow I started to lose carry. I contribute that mostly to the layout.
Surface change – I could miss a bit more to both the outside and the middle but the carry remained strong with multiple messengers.
I love this ball!!!!
I will be drilling another one with a taller pin placement. I can’t wait to see how much motion I get in the backend.
The Hybrid cover is a jewel. All three balls that have had this cover (Apocalypse and the SSSE) have been very adjustable and the mid-lane read is phenomenal.
Did I mention the color? It is a very cool Blue with the silver pearl. The ball looks great on the rack and going down the lane.
Post by: ODriscoll on August 14, 2006, 04:46:19 PM
Post by: rmm300 on August 27, 2006, 01:45:37 PM
Post by: SenorRotoGrip on August 28, 2006, 11:29:51 AM
I drilled one with a 4 1/2" pin just right of my ring finger, with a strong MB placement. On a 40' PBA Sr regional pattern (pro-anvil lane surface) I was able to get in around 3'rd arrow and play out to 10 with no problem. The Saga is very clean thru the fronts with excellent midlane reading. Hit is very strong.
On a house shot, I moved in on the oil to play the wet/dry and had no problem striking. This ball leaves very few 10 pins on solid hits. Pins stay low on the deck giving excellent carry to off pocket hits.
Drill this one strong for medium/heavy oil and weak for medium/light. A great ball for someone stepping up from entry level/mid level to high performance equipment.
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Senor RotoGrip
Post by: Mr Scary on September 08, 2006, 11:17:29 AM
Drilled stacked, with the pin above my ring finger, and CG almost in my palm.
When I had this on drilled, there must have been a piece of plastic in the ball cup, which cause the surface to become quite scratched. I had it sanded, and re-polished. No problems, still looks and rolls line new.
This ball has a great reaction. It rev’s up very quickly, but maintains energy, and has great hitting power. Very typical of Roto Grip equipment, very predictable, and very strong roll. The transition from oil to dry is very smooth. While other equipment flips out of the building when it hits the dry, the Saga has a smooth transition. It worked well on a sport condition, and even better on a league condition, it gave me a bit more play on both conditions. Another fantastic addition to the EPIC line. Between the EPIC, the EPIC Battle, and the EPIC Saga, there is a ball for every condition.
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Chris Slagter
Roto Grip Advisory Staff
Post by: John Brodersen on September 10, 2006, 09:50:19 PM
The Epic Saga was drilled with a 4 3/4†pin to PAP length and the mass bias in the strong position. This put the pin above the ring finger about one inch and the mass bias 1 inch right of the thumb. A small balance hole on the VAL and below the PAP was needed to bring it back to specs. The cover was left in OOB condition.
The Saga provided easy length, read the late mids good and showed a somewhat angular backend reaction with continuation through the pins. The Saga displayed great hit and great pin carry. It also showed good recovery on errant shots that missed wide. The Saga’s backend reaction became more angular with a hand position change that created a higher degree of axis rotation.
In the Epic lineup, the Saga provides the most length, the strongest backend reaction and will handle less oil. However, the Saga is not a dry condition ball and is better suited to medium / medium heavy conditions.
John Brodersen
Post by: STEVEN HAUK on September 11, 2006, 05:36:24 PM
WEIGHTS AND SPECS OUT . THIS BALLS ROLLS VERY SMOOTH IN THE FRONT AND REALLY COMES IN HARD ON THE BACKENDS. THIS BALL IS GREAT MEDIUM OIL BALL. I REALLY LIKE IT WHEN THE BACKENDS START TO CAARY DOWN LITTLE BIT . I TRIED ON OUR SPORT PATTERNS AND REALLYS COME IN TO HARD FOR THE CONDITIONS (SHORT OIL)35 FEET .
THIS BALL READS CONSISTANT READS THE MIDLANE AND THE BACKENDS VERY EASILY.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THIS BALL THAT U DRILL THIS BALL FOR THE STRONG BOWLER WITH ALOT OF HAND TO DRILL WEAKER THAN NORMAL,CAUSE THIS BALL WILL HOOK .THE FIRST SET I BOWLED WITH IT I SHOOT 762 AND THE SECOND SET 300 WITH 787 . I REALLY LIKE THIS BALL .
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STEVEN HAUK
ROTO GRIP STAFF MEMBER
Post by: Admiral50 on September 12, 2006, 12:42:13 AM
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Post by: doubleS on September 14, 2006, 04:06:03 PM
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Post by: The SuperHitMan on September 15, 2006, 07:04:28 PM
If you liked the Battle you will like the SagaHoo-Rah
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Wayne Saunders: AH-HUUUUUHHHHH KACE YOU SHOT 300 AH-HUUUUHHHHHHHH!!!
Janeen Hall: Congratulations Baby.
Tommy B: I'm proud of you.....
Mike Hall: I yelled the last shot in there....
K.C. White II:
And I did it My Way Hooking the lane with a high-end piece, an Epic Battle. Take that Mr. Slater...I did it my way I got what I came for.Team Member Of
Hoss Central Inc.
Epic Battle: $124.00
Drilling at 12inaRow: $50.00
League Cost: $16.00
Showing Mr.Slater my 300 ring and telling him I DID IT MY WAY WITHOUT GOING UP THE BOARDS: P-R-I-C-E-L-E-S-S
Post by: big hank j on September 23, 2006, 10:18:43 AM
Hank Jordan
Roto Grip Advisory Staff
Post by: bowlersrus on October 04, 2006, 08:06:14 PM
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Post by: tloy on November 01, 2006, 11:56:49 PM
Roto Grip Rules!!!!!
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Todd Loy
Post by: BrandonR on November 11, 2006, 03:45:34 PM
The Picture:Epic Saga Layout (http://"http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/Calimon08/EpicSagaLayout.jpg")
The Layout: 5 by 5 to PAP. Placing the pin above above the ring finger and the cg stacked under. I placed a small shallow weight hole 2 1\4 in above my PAP.
Surface Prep: I started by cutting the surface with a 2000 abralon pad followed by a 4000 pad. Then used Storm's React a Shine.
Overall: This ball works best on 2nd shift house patterns, giving me the ability to open up the lanes with ease. This ball turns off the break very strongly w/ continuous backend carry.
So if your looking for ball that gives you great read and strong carry from almost any angle...then the Epic Saga is for YOU!
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Don't Worry, Be Happy
That's what my wife said I have to be
Post by: stormed1 on November 16, 2006, 04:36:55 PM
I drilled my Saga with the pin at 5 inches (above and between the fingers) with the mass bias in a strong position (2" right of my thumb hole) Ball required a weight hole which I drilled on my axis pitched 1 1/2 inches right to avoid the core (a suggestion mentioned to me by Tyler and stressed)
I have now had the chance to throw this ball in a couple of different houses and Just love its reaction. My description of this balls reaction would be CONTROLLED CHAOS! With this layout the ball reads the midlane very well and makes an extremely strong arc to the pocket. On errant shots into the oil it holds pocket and still hits like a runaway freight train. On errant shots to the dry it gets back smooth without jumping off the breakpoint. Kind of reminds me of my old favorite ball, the Tour Power except with a big shot of steroids.
Another great winner from Roto!!!
Post by: Floridarevmachine on November 28, 2006, 09:14:14 AM
Ball weight: 15 lbs.
Drilling : 4x3
Surface : OOB
Weight Hole : yes
Bowling Style : Tweener
This ball gets through the heads very nicely, revs up beautifully, and has great backend and carry. I have noticed there are a lot more messengers flying across the deck with this ball. The surface on this ball is not for heavy oil, but great for any medium condition (Medium/Heavy with some surface taken off). I see a lot of versatility in this ball as far as being able to use different hand positions and not having to worry as to how the ball will respond.
Overall I give this ball a 9 out of 10
I will post a second review after 30 games.
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mmmmmmmmmm Beer
Post by: powerhouse on December 14, 2006, 03:17:32 PM
Post by: CHawk15 on January 13, 2007, 11:56:51 PM
Pin to CG Distance: 1.5 inches
Topweight: 2-3 oz.
Layout:
Pin just outside and below ring finger with mass bias in strong position
Reaction:
Good length with heavy midlane roll and hard arcing / slightly angular backend reaction.
Comments:
This ball is not junk as the previous reviewer stated. He's entitled to his opinion, but I strongly disagree. The other two balls in the Epic line were for heavier oil conditions and this ball is a very good complement. This ball has very good length, especially considering the core characteristics. This ball is $$$ on a medium THS because it likes to roll in the midlane and controls the over/under better than any polished ball that I've ever used because of the hybrid coverstock. It rolls very similar to the Silver Streak SE, but with a stronger core which makes it about 5-6 boards stronger. It has the same great hitting power and impressive carry as the Battle. On the negative side, this ball will check up early and hit weak if the heads are completely gone, but that's to be expected given the stronger core. I often use this ball as a complement for my new Paradigm Domination because it has more length and a smoother backend. This ball is at it's best on a fresh shorter pattern or on slightly broken down patterns where some head oil is still present.
UPDATE:
In the OOB condition this ball turned into a flipping monster on the backend when the track burned in a little more, which really doesn't suit my game all too well. So with the help of my pro shop operator, the surface was taken down to 500-grit with Track Magic Shine polish. What a difference this made, it's much more controllable, but still strong and the hit is insane. First night I used it with this surface I shot 202-298-257 for a 757 series. Where before I had to put it away if the backends were flying, now the reaction just gets better and better as long as there's enough oil to get it to the breakpoint.
Post by: SuperiorGameProShop on January 19, 2007, 12:30:48 PM
In fact I think that the Saga is the best yet.
I am a big Roto-grip fan and have been for the past few years, the Saga is a great compliment to the original. The hybrid shell gives it added length and control, combined with the Epic core(best core ever IMO) makes it very awesome.
Now I could waste time explaining how mine is layed-out, but thats pointless for this discussion. Yours wont be layed-out the same, nor will you throw it the same. However, I can tell you what I know about the ball in general from throwing it.
1. The Saga does not require alot of hand(ability to hook the ball), as I dont have much.
2. The Saga gives me more miss-room than any ball I've thrown, EVER.
3. The Saga is very controlable and adaptable to most any Medium-volume lane condition.
4. The Saga has the most Back-end hook potential I have ever seen, as well as carry potential. This includes the SilverStreak SE.
5. The ONLY downside I have seen for this ball is that I get lane changes faster than anyone else on the pair. Which if you can adjust accordingly is acctually an advantage.
All in all, this is the best RG ball yet, that's why I bought 4 of them. In 5 years when the first one gets old I will have 3 more new in the box.
* A must have *
Roto-Kid-IU
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on February 10, 2007, 05:08:52 PM
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Surface - 1000Abralon w/ light magic shine polish
Reaction
The reaction I get out of this ball is the ideal reaction I was looking for. It goes lone with a nice late midlane read and then a super strong arc/smooth flip. This is a reaction I was missing in my arsenal after the sale of my xception 5.0.
Rateng 10
Readabily
Not the type of ball you would use to read the lane with. This thing gets down the lane to easy and will snap the second it sees dry boards down the lane.
Rating 8.5
Versatility
Not really the ball you would want to be versatil with. I see this as more of a mid condition ball. Yet given to much midlane oil and not enough dry boards outside it can become very condition specific. Yet this ball is awsome when it comes to a carry down shot, it just seams to not even notice carry down.
Rating 9.8
Hit
This is one awsome hitting ball, and carries the 9 pin the best for me. Normaly I leave 9 pins a lot. Yet this ball just sends pins flying after it. I leave one to many 10s with it but I feel those are normaly me just maybe spinning the ball a bit. The ball hits great but not as great as my track animal (No ball reviewed as of 5:05 est. on 1/29 has yet to hit like my track animal)
Rating 10
Overall comments
I love this ball, it is normaly the first ball out of my bag and the last to go it. I can use it on almost any condition because of easy reads I can make of it. I would love to have the epic odyssey so I can try this core in a solid reactive. I would also love a particle pearl version.
Rating 10
Overall rating
10 for reaction
8.5 for readabilty
9.8 for versatilitay
10 for hit
10 for overall comments
Final rating - 9.8
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Mark "scoot" Trgovac
C-G Pro Shop
Offical "Spokesman"
Youngstown, Ohio
(The fallowing is said in a larry the cable guy type voice) "You mean to tell me that if I drill a Mass bias Ba-all, that the cd dunt matter for anything other then wens you weight it up?"
"Freak Bowling Ball cleaner of the TRACK Revolution."
Post by: TscottRG on February 15, 2007, 08:24:28 PM
Our proshop owner who's thrown brunswick for as long as i've known him loves the role of this ball...
Rotogrip's done it again!!!
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Epic Saga
Epic Battle (x2)
Post by: Lippie on February 27, 2007, 11:53:20 PM
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The drilling is kind of odd but the pro shop guy didn't know what else to do. I wanted a ball that got some length, was strong in the midlane, and was smooth on the backend. I got that and more.
I tried the ball tonight after a league had bowled to see what it would do on a dried-out shot. The ball got down the lane ok, but it was early for a pearl reactive. The midlane move was unlike anything I have thrown before. Usually for me anything left of the fourth arrow and my ball doesn't make a strong move, but this made a move harder then anything I have every thrown. I was playing 25 at the arrows out to 11 and the ball jumped in the midlane and smoothed out for a controlled backend. This is what I was looking for.
I threw it next to my Big One. The Big One is in box finish. The Saga was a 2 and 2 move left compared to the Big One. The Sage was earlier and more violent on the back.
Playing a shot that dried out, I left weak 10s and 7s with the Saga. The Big One played better with better carry, but it was a shot that favored the Big One. On fresh the Saga will be great. On fresh lanes length won't be a problem and the strong midlane will out perform the late break of the Big One. The two balls compliment each other well.
Post by: DP3 on March 13, 2007, 10:34:58 PM
Speed: 17mph @ 50 ft
Axis Rotation: 60 degrees
Axis Tilt: 15-20 degrees
PAP: 5" right, 1" up
The Epic Saga is layed out for me with the "TJ" trick layout. The pin fell 1 1/2" high above and right of the ring finger, and the MB on top and a little left of the thumb. Ball left in out of box condition.
I have thrown this ball on 3 different house patterns with varying surfaces, PBA Scorpion Pattern, and a 39ft Sport Condition 1.5-1 ratio. Throughout these various conditions, the Saga has shown alot of versatility and a common consistency on all of these patterns. A fast revving midlane from this powerful ball rarely enables me to throw a shot through the breakpoint(which I am infamous for). Despite varying oil volumes and lane surfaces, this ball revs up very fast in the midlane and offers a strong angular move off the end of the pattern.
What I like about this layout is it offers me predictability on tougher conditions that force you into one "zone" on the lanes. When playing direct from 4 and out I can rely on the strength of this ball to rev up quick and roll off of the ditch, and when I'm playing an easier house pattern I feel comfortable bumping the ball into the track and enjoying the free room to the right.
On patterns too short, the Saga will roll up quick enough so you know to put it in the bag. It's strictly for longer mediums and up. It's strong move off the spot and easy read has made it the benchmark ball in my bag now. I have thrown this ball for a month now on every pattern that I have played and I would honestly be lost on everything without a reaction like this in my bag. The combination of a great cover and this layout lets this ball stay "on-line" to my target without the early spin up and quit of most strong assymetricals. All of the energy is definately conserved for the move down the lane. Drilled strong, this ball will allow anyone of any style to be able to open up the lane and get a strong finish at the deck. For heavier handed guys and smoother styles, a controllable drilling with a weaker MB placement like this will enable you to still draw big angle down the lane without seeing the ball "squirt" off and on to oil.
This is a very fun ball to throw for me and a solid addition in the High end lineup from Roto Grip. I would put this ball up against a Total NV, Black Widow, Angular One, Domination, or Shift anyway of the week and I can gaurantee that the Saga will have you coming back to it everytime. It gives the big move off the spot as all of these popular high end assymetricals, but it is much less sensitive to lane transitions and tighter patterns.
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-DJ Marshall
...The Twelve In a Row Pro Shop
Post by: Mikelj on April 16, 2007, 09:45:32 PM
This is the first Asymmetrical ball from Roto Grip I am able to get the lenght I need through the heads. For me, this ball has a more dramatic move in the midlane and backend than either the Battle or the Epic.
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Mike Johnston
Roto Grip Advisory Staff
Post by: IrishMike837 on April 02, 2008, 05:28:44 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on June 04, 2008, 03:23:08 AM
The drill: Pin above and right of ring, CG under ring, MB on track side of the thumb and just below it. Works out to a 3.5 x 3.75 x 5 drill for me. Surface tested in box and at 4000 Abralon.
Me: PAP 4 over 3/8 up, tweener revs, good speed, good circumference coverage
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Bought this ball because I'm a big Storm/Roto fan and I haven't thrown one of Roto Grip's upper-line assymetrical balls yet.
Color me flummoxed. This ball is one of the strangest balls I've thrown, and I don't necessarily mean that in a good way.
I decided to place the MB where I did in order to smooth out the reaction and make the ball milder on the backend. My arsenal has enough strong assyms that get sideways on the backend and I wanted something for control.
I probably overdid it, or at least that's what I'm left to assume. This ball revs up very, very fast -- the difference between it and virtually every other ball in my arsenal in terms of revving up is crystal clear -- but then it does a whole lot of nothing.
The ball finishes with a deliberate arc. It doesn't jump off the spot, even in box condition, which carried with it a lot of polish until I knocked it off.
Carrying this ball to 4000 Abralon made nary a difference in performance. The ball still wanted to go too long and make a too-tame move in the back. My next step is 2000 Abralon and after that, I'll admit to being stumped.
I suspect the issue is in the cover, which is a pearl/solid hybrid. This is my third ball with a hybrid cover and my second Roto (a Silver Streak SE was the first) and I've had problems now with all three. Whereas some swear by these balls, I seem to have a problem with consistency.
The ball doesn't offer recovery right no matter how dry the outside boards seem to be. But it also doesn't offer the kind of hold you think you should get with a ball drilled for control purposes.
However, there is a shining aspect to this ball's game: the ability to score from deep inside angles. Even though this ball is just 14 pounds, I can get it to carry the corners playing extreme inside angles, which is difficult for me to do even with 15- and 16- pound equipment.
I'm not through playing with the coverstock yet, but I'm not sure 2000 Abralon is going to be much difference. I'm disappointed with what I've seen so far and a plug-and-redrill may be in my future. The summary follows.
Positives: Good from inside angles, fastest-revving ball I've ever thrown, attractive ball for those who care about such things.
Negatives: Not nearly the backend move you'd expect, didn't respond to surface change in any way, touchy at the breakpoint
Summary: A ball that probably has its uses somewhere, but I haven't found them yet.
Jess