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Horizon
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
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Since the dawn of the 21st Century no one can compete with the success that Roto Grip® has had in the mid-price category. The introduction of the all-new HORIZONTM reinforces that truth by building upon the legacy that the RetroTM Line and the RSTM Series have established.

Featuring the new HeliosTM weight block, this unique design delivers a lower RG and medium differential for consistent mid-lane motion along with an angular move off the spot. The single density core guarantees a higher coefficient of restitution for increased hitting power, even on those off-pocket hits!

We have taken the best characteristics from our past and have created the outstanding True GripTM pearl reactive coverstock. It comes to you in a 1500 grit polish for added length and maximum energy retention at the break point on those medium patterns.

The dawn of a new era is upon you, so jump on board or get run over!


Specifications


Factory Finish  1500- Polished  
Track Flare Potential  5 Inches  
Lane Condition  Medium Oil  
Cover Stock  Ultimate Griptm Pearl Reactive  
Weight Block  Heliostm Core  
Color  Sunset Orange / Desert Copper  
D-Scale  75 -78  
Available Weights  12 -16 Pounds




Core Dynamics


WEIGHTS  RG  DIFFERENTIAL  
16 lb.  2.46 (Low)  .048 (High)  
15 lb.  2.47 (Low)  .052 (High)  
14 lb.  2.49 (Low)  .051 (High)  
13 lb.  2.60 (High)  .032 (Med)  
12 lb.  2.60 (High)  .032 (Med)


 

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Re: Horizon
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2006, 09:16:08 PM »
The Horizon is once again another strong mid priced offering from the folks at Roto Grip.  I used a layout almost identical to my Saturn which has been my favorite ball for the last month or so. 3" Pin drilled out at the middle finger(slightly above middle finger on Saturn) and cg swung out about 30 degrees.  I track fairly low, so that is actually a pretty solid pin position for me.  Overall, my Horizon is a couple feet longer and hooks say a couple boards less than my Saturn and three to four less than my RS1 with a label style layout.  To my suprise it reads the midlane nicely with a continuous backend while still maintaining a usual clean front a pearl should have.  This ball is exactly as Roger at RotoGrip described it to me.

It has been quite rewarding also.  I don't think I've shot anything under 700 on league nights since I started throwing it.  Lately the lanes have been pretty oily and I probably could have been throwing something stronger but I love the way it reads the lane, so I just play more outside and up the track.  I managed to shoot 300 the last game of a league set the day I drilled the ball.  Definitely a must have if your a Roto fan or are looking for a new medium oil ball.
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Re: Horizon
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2006, 11:17:07 PM »
the ball sucks and roto-grip balls come out to fast they are a waste of money don't buy
they suck
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Re: Horizon
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2006, 01:40:41 AM »
I finally got a chance to really play with mine after having it for about a week. I drilled mine with the pin 2" above the ring finger just on the positive side of the midline and the cg just under the ring finger toward the pap. I had to use a extra hole and put it on my pap and left about 3/4 finger and about 1/4 positive side. First used it on a burnt house shot and had to do a lot of work to keep the ball left of the head pin. Moving about a foot back on the approach, suitcase and spinner release, projecting the ball to the 3 board at around 45'. Finally got some head oil and just watched the ball go to work. Was able to play the ball from about 30 and looking around 18. This ball skidded out toe about the 10 board made a nice midlane rev up and made a nice turn. The ball carried anything that as long as it hit the 1,2. Only draw back is that it needs some head oil and has a tendency to roll a little too hard. I say another excellent ball from Roto Grip and a good replacement for the RS-1.
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Re: Horizon
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2006, 12:11:52 PM »

The Horizon is the newest ball in the RS line that replaces the RS-1.  Although I was originally sad to see the “1” replaced, after toying around with this ball, I see I got more than I expected in return.

First, let me say I was wrong in an earlier posting in the forum about the overall super smooth look with this ball.  The initial ball I threw was labeled with a pin less than an inch out.  With the two subsequent 3.5” pin out balls I drilled, I see a different move on the backend of the lane.  I will detail that below.


Ball #1 – Label drill, pin less than 1 inch out.  Drilled strong at 4-1/2”

This was a test ball from Hank during my visit to Utah.  The ball was VERY smooth overall and allowed me to play straighter than I really thought I could for a 4-1/2” pin to PAP distance.  Bowling on the USBC National pattern I had a great look out and it was incredibly smooth off the spot.  On THS, this ball gave me the same look until a little carrydown developed.  I softened up the speed and didn’t have to worry about it blowing up if it hit the dry early – it gave me a nice, easy to make 4-pin instead of a designer split.


Ball #2 – Pin 5-1/4” from PAP (in the bridge), 45 degree layout with large hole at 5”

I was trying to replace my trusty RS-1 with this ball in a similar layout and I got exactly as I wished for, and more.  Surprisingly, after seeing ball #1 roll, I was actually expecting a little smoother move off the spot than this one gives.  However, if the ball were any smoother I think the hit would be bad, or better said, would be conditional unless you have built-in backend in the pattern.  I was able to use this ball on the Scorpion pattern at a tournament this weekend both playing in on the fall-back and out in the OB and got the look I needed to keep me in control of the move after the breakpoint.  I have no doubt this layout will get the most play of the three Horizon's I have.


Ball #3 – Pin 5-3/4” from PAP, above bridge, no hole in 75 degree layout.

I was looking for a ball to go straighter through the front than my Oracle Vision in the same layout (OV has dropped balance hole).  While I have the same shape on the lane as the OV, the move is significantly sharper than the other Horizon’s in my bag.  I have to admit I was surprised by how many boards this one covers on the back vs. ball #2 that is really not that significantly different in layout.  As much as I thought the construction of this ball wouldn’t allow me to open up the lane, this particular ball does exactly that.  In this layout, it reminds me of the move I saw out of the Apocalypse in the two I tried (Note, specifically in this layout only).

Overall: The Horizon is a nice replacement for the RS-1.  Although I haven’t tried yet to alter the surface, I think that this ball will do everything you’ve asked of the RS-1 and give you a little more predictability with an earlier overall read of the lane.  Typically when you get pin-in balls you feel jipped that you can’t do much with them.  On the contrary, I think that is a nice layout for this ball as it enhances the even roll with such a low RG ball.  If you get a pin-in, try a label layout in your favorite pin distance and have fun tricking up the ball at the release and watching it NOT overhook on you.

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Re: Horizon
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2006, 01:20:49 PM »
Have thrown about every Roto Grip they have made and have to say this ball is unbelievable on medium patterns. This is a great core and cover combo. The shell is very grippy which accounts for the tremendous action at the pins. The pin action is phenomenal and the ball is probably the most versatile ball in their line. This ball saves every ounce of energy for back-end pin action. Notice, I didn't say "back-end hook." Although it does hook sharply and strongly off of dry boards the most impressive thing to me is the pin action it produces whether it is in the hook stage or not. You can play it up the oil line or boom it back from (Or around) dry boards. When it finds dry you'll see tremendous midlane rev and a strong shifting of the gears. Just be careful on heavy carry down or flat conditions. Not it's forte'. I think this will be the first ball out of my bag from now on. It's the one I've been looking for to complete my arsenal. Great job Roto Grip. I think this weight block shape is a great compliment to your entire line. (layout was 4.25 x 4.75 off of a 5.25 axis point using a 4.5"pin: medium revs, speed, and axis tilt).
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Re: Horizon
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2006, 12:12:20 PM »
I find that the Horizon reads the lane differently than the RS line.  Compared to the RS-1 it reads the midlane more and is not as flippy.  Don't get me wrong this ball still has what it needs on the backend.  This ball allows me to get in and open up the lane and I don't have to worry about over hitting it at the bottom, this is what I like.   If you really jump on it it doesn't over react off the spot.  The Horizon is a great compliment to Roto Grip's line. As Cliff stated the pin action is incredible. If you want to see pin crushing action pick up one of these bronze babies.( I have mine drilled cg in palm, pin under bridge.)

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Re: Horizon
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2006, 05:23:22 PM »
Q.   Everything I have reacts the same?  

A.   Roto Grip Horizon

The Horizon is another mid-line monster from Roto Grip.  The polished pearl reactive gives a smooth transition through the front end and solid read at the midlanes.    Unlike other pearls instead of hard transition off the break there is a more noticeable arc.  Great asset to your arsenal, as the ball is more favorable in when lanes become inconsistent.

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Re: Horizon
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2006, 02:44:41 PM »
just punched up a horizon yesterday.. this Horizon had almost a 6 inch pin with 4.34 oz of top wieght

(PAP- 2 7/8, 1 3/4 up ,315 rpms (Bowlers Map)
pin is 5 1/4 off PAP over middle finger.. cg is just below midline no hole

threw it fresh off the press on a 35 foot house pattern with no grease outside of 7..

what i really liked was the continuous motion off of the extreme friction to the right.  If I really strapped on a shot it didn't over react off the burn.  The amount of energy it conserved was unparalled to anything in my bag except for my RSX.  Which compliments this sphere perfectly.  

RotoGrip is putting out some very treat bowling balls these days.  Thats three Rotos in my bag now.
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Re: Horizon
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2006, 02:25:42 PM »
15 lb. Pin above the ring finger, CG in my palm, no weight hole.

What a great ball.  A skid/snap ball, but like your normal skid/snap ball.  It has a very predictable snap.  Devastating hitting power.  So far, the games I have thrown, if I am close to the pocket, the pins are gone.  High-flush may be a 4 or a 9, but dead flush, all 10 in the pit, light flush, the pins fly.  I was goofing around with a couple of my buddies last week, and started with the front 17, and ended with 33 out of 36 strikes.  I like this ball so well; I ordered another one for myself, as well as one for my wife.  HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommended.

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Re: Horizon
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2006, 12:08:03 AM »
I LOVE my Horizon! I drilled my Horizon with the pin directly above the fingers and the cg out just a little bit with a weight hole and 4.30oz of top weight. I wanted this ball specifically for medium and shorter sport shots with a heavier volume. This ball really grabs the mid lane, but thanks to the ultimate grip pearl reactive, it reads the mid lane earlier, yet conserves enough energy to come around the corner and not die out! Since I have the same drilling on the Horizon as I do with my Saturn, I wanted this ball to read the surface a little earlier and to react a little more on the backend to give me a little more area at the breakpoint. So far I have thrown the Horizon and it performed real well on a house shot, two medium sport patterns (39ft.), and a real short sport pattern (33ft.). I was able to score very well on all these patterns and I wonder to myself how I ever survived without the Horizon? This is definitely a dawn of a new era! So, what do you have to lose? Go and pick up one of these Horizon¡¦s and you will NOT be disappointed!  I¡¦ve already ordered another Horizon for myself ƒº
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Re: Horizon
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2006, 10:25:28 PM »
Today on a normal THS I tried out my new Horizon. In a later review, one with more games, I will provide a more detailed account of this balls perfomance. This review will be brief. I used a 4 by 5 layout putting the pin just above and right of the ring finger. The ball is in box condition. In order to make the ball legal I had to punch a small weight hole about 1 1/4 deep.

With this layout the ball easily moved through the midlane almost like a pearl ball with some surface. The ball motion: this ball revs up with total ease...keep in mind on a THS. Carry: Great carry! The Horizon seems to mix the pins and keeps them low which in my mind increases the carrying percentange.

Overall:
Very smooth, strong, powerful ball reaction. This ball has made it into the bag.


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Re: Horizon
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2006, 11:13:30 AM »
ball specs:
14lb 4oz
3" pin
3oz top
drilled 4 X 5
surface box

First let me say I have not bowled below 670 with this ball.
lane condition ths med volume 36' buffed to 40' brunswick anvilane.
The ball clears the heads nicely and starts up in the mid lane a bit earlier than expected for a pearl but saves enegry while doing so then transitions on the back end for hard arcing powerful move THIS BALL HUNTS THE POCKET! That being said the Horizon is also a very versitle and responsive to hand,speed,line adjustments. It can be played 12 to 5 and back, up the middle in the puddle, or swung from the outside with booming back ends, and creates tremendous pin action keeping the pins low still sending the messengers flying. Roto Grip really did thier home work on this one Thanks Guys!
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Re: Horizon
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2006, 03:46:52 AM »
I drilled my Horizon for PBA Regional conditions, so it is not the best solution for most league/house conditions.

I put the pin just above left of the center of my span, the cg is down to the right, the ball only had a 1.5" pin and 2.42 top weight.  After talking with Tyler Jensen, my Roto Sales Dude, we went with this layout.  So about 4 5/8 by 4 1/2 from PAP.

Moving the pin down in your grip makes the ball change direction slower when it hooks.  I wanted a ball that is clean through the front on lighter oil/wood, but won't go super long and left turn Clyde.  Some PBA patterns require you to play a smaller portion of the lane and with my soft ball speed, I don't want the ball to snap.

This ball is really nice.  Clean through the front, works well the less boards that I have to cover going to the right off my hand.  Seems to break in the right spot when playing tight third arrow shot, like it has extra hold.  Hits really good.  Have sold 4-5 of these, and with more normal layouts, very nice.  Pretty versatile ball, good for different styles of bowler and a few different lane conditions.

Hope this helps ya!

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Re: Horizon
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2006, 09:00:45 PM »
This ball was drilled by Eric Krauss at Nationals. The pin is under the ring finger and cg is at 3:00. The weight hole is at about 3:30. This ball has great length and the ability to recover in the back end. This is my benchmark ball. It is the closest thing that I have had to my old Turbo X.  I used this ball at Nationals and it reacted well until about the 5th game during doubles and singles, which is understandable considering the lane condition. This ball also hits hard, good mix. I have thrown it on a few different house shots and it's good if there is some oil in the heads. Another awesome product by Roto-Grip.