Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
The HeliosTM core can be found in other winners such as the HorizonTM & the Horizon SolidTM. This ultra low RG core with medium to high differential has been a rising star in the Roto Grip product line. These value priced balls have become the new benchmark equipment from Roto Grip, with the MysticTM rounding off this Trilogy.
The Ultimate GripTM features a 2% polished Pearl Particle coverstock. The Particle gives this ball the traction it needs coming off the oil pattern to give you a strong, but yet controllable backend reaction.
The delivery will shock, and mystify all!
Specifications
Factory Finish 2000 Polished
Track Flare Potential 5 Inches
Lane Condition Medium - Heavy Oil
Cover Stock Ultimate Griptm Pearl Particle
Weight Block Heliostm Core
Color Indigo / Silver
D-Scale 75 -78
Available Weights 10 -16 Pounds
Core Dynamics
WEIGHTS RG DIFFERENTIAL
16 lb. 2.46 (Low) .048 (High)
15 lb. 2.47 (Low) .052 (High)
14 lb. 2.49 (Low) .051 (High)
12-13 lb. 2.60 (High) .032 (Med)
10-11 lb. 2.67 (High) .018 (low)
Post by: allstarbowling-Joe on March 09, 2007, 07:13:08 PM
Hopefully this review will be helpful in you deciding if you wish to
try the Mystic. If any questions, please PM me here and as always,
if you are looking to purchase one or have it drilled you may check out
our website at http://www.allstarbowling.com
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Bowler Information:
Span: 3 15/16 x 4 3/16 RH - 7/8 Offset Thumb, No Grips, Toms Thumb.
PAP: 4 1/8 x 1" Down
Speed: 14-15 mph
Medium Rev Rate
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Ball Data Before Drilling:
15# 3oz, Pin 3-3.5", Top 2.96
Surface:
Left Box Finish
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Ball Layout And Finishing Weights:
4 1/4 " Pin X 4" CG/MB, Pin Above and slightly right of Ring.
X Hole on Line from Grip Center thru CG 5". X Hole Pitched to
add top weight and remove side.
Finger Wt: 0oz, Top Wt: 1.5oz, Side Weight: 13/16oz
Reaction:
Was looking for a ball to give me a slight more midlane roll when
my pearl reactives are going just a tad long. With this layout
and the slight particle load I felt this would match up with the
desired reaction.
On a typical house shot with oil stacked in the middle I found this
layout to work excellent. Excellent continuation thru the pins and
the breakpoint was as expected. One observation is that the ball tends
to shoot on heavier oil (the wall) and not recover. This was of no
concern as I have plenty of other equipment to handle that.
Comparion Balls With Simliar Layouts:
Domination -- Hooks up sooner then this but not quite as angular. Definately
would switch to the Domination when the Mystic started hooking up early.
Shift -- Goes a tad bit longer and is more angular for me then the Shift.
The Shift with the same layout is in dire need of oil for me to get good
motion from it or else it flares out/rolls out.
I definately see a progression with these three pieces:
Shift to start, then step down to the Mysic and end up at the Domination.
Yet another excellent piece from Rotogrip/Storm. Thanks for everything
guys and look for my review shortly on the Neptune and the Odyssey.
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Post by: RonCase823 on March 12, 2007, 09:48:52 AM
The ball has very good length on dry as well as oil. It revs up and is very sharp at the break point. Works best when carry down is present, has not problem making a turn even in oil. Great ball for that go long hook, hard rotation.
Post by: MoonsLefty on March 13, 2007, 10:50:52 AM
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Post by: olererack on March 22, 2007, 12:10:57 AM
The Particle gives this ball the traction it needs coming off the oil pattern to give you a strong, but yet controllable backend reaction.
great recovery on the back-end
I think this ball will be very versatile for a lot of different bowlers.
This ball fits in perfectly in the Roto’s line-up
The Helios Core can be found with other winners such as the Horizon Solid and the SD73.
. This ultra low RG core with medium to high differential has been a rising star in the Roto Grip product line.
These value priced balls have become an benchmark.
Roto Grip, with the Mystic rounding off this Trilogy.
Post by: strikealot on March 23, 2007, 02:46:10 PM
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this was a friends ball i threw...on fresh ths this ball was amazing...not skid flippy but a strong midlane and turn at end of pattern..this ball seemed to be very user friendly, it seemed to read all the way down the lane, i knew what it was going to do the whole way down the lane.. i could stay behind it further right and strike, stand left and get around side and strike...and when it did hit the pin there was no doubt it was going to strike..very powerful ball...i was impressed, i will have one in my bag soon...
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Post by: Mikelj on March 25, 2007, 02:05:27 AM
My Mystic was drilled with the pin above ring the fingers 4 1/2 from the PAP. I found this worked well on medium and medium to dry conditions. The Mystic goes a little longer than the solid but with a nice move to the pocket and a continuous backend.
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Post by: John Brodersen on March 26, 2007, 03:11:47 PM
The Mystic was drilled 4.75†X 65 degrees. This put the pin above the ring finger and the non-marked mass bias 1 inch right of the center of the thumb hole. A balance hole was not needed and the cover was left in OOB condition.
The Mystic has a great color scheme and is a great looking piece of gear. This pearl particle ball is very clean up front, transitions well in the mids and provides a strong (almost angular) move on the back end with great continuation. The Mystic provides a different look than previous RotoGrip pearl particle releases as it is cleaner in the front and provides a stronger backend move than the RSP and Oracle Vision. The Mystic gives the early revs (but still clean) and backend continuation of the Helios core and is a great fit between the original Horizon (pearl) and the Horizon Solid.
John Brodersen
Post by: RotoDave on April 01, 2007, 03:58:07 PM
Never liked particle pearl .. and favored the Epic line to the Horizons till this.
Myself and RotoRyan who drills my gear are ripping our house shot to pieces with the Mystic, its creating a lot of interest. Broke my record for 3 and 4 game sets that have stood for several years on my 3rd time throwing it.
Great if you're looking for control through the front of the lane and a fast arcing motion further down.
http://www.rpsenterprise.com/mysticTeaser.wmv (2.4mb video)
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Post by: big hank j on April 07, 2007, 09:44:36 PM
I drilled this ball 5 1/2 x 4" with weight hole on axis - pin above and between finger. This ball has given me the most predictable reaction i have gotten out of the Horizon Line. Real smooth in the front from the outside to 20. Out of my hand with this drill, the ball does not jump at the break and backends are smooth arcing. Without a doubt, this ball has become my most versatile and most consistent piece of equipment. High scores have been the norm.
Hank Jordan
Roto Grip Advisory Staff
Post by: ODriscoll on May 22, 2007, 06:30:35 PM
Symmetrical Core
Coverstock Pearl Particle
Some of my favorite balls have been the pearl particles from Roto Grip. I was extremely excited to try the Mystic. Great looking ball. Proven core on the Horizon line. Drilled up pin under finger for earlier roll, no adjustments to the cover. The Mystic made the most violent move off the spot than any other RG ball I've thrown. The hit was great when it got there but getting their consistantly was the problem. The cover was a little to sensitive to the dry. Adjusting the coverstock helped but I think the drill pattern was a little to aggressive for this core/cover combo. The ball worked much better with weaker drilling patterns.
Kelly ODriscoll
Roto Grip Staff
Post by: EpicNIrish on June 23, 2007, 03:02:07 AM
Left Handed
15-16 MPH
250-275 RPM
Usually more side roll than forward roll if that means anything.
Ball: Drilled with the pin roughly 4 1/16" from PAP, under my ring finger. CG stacked below. OOB Cover.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/poetryinsane/Mysticlayout.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/poetryinsane/mysticlogo.jpg
With this layout, I hoped the ball would be pretty much my benchmark ball. What I got was a benchmark ball, but with unbelievable versatility. I'm able to throw this ball on medium to long patterns with great success. This ball really crushes the pocket too, better than any ball I've truly had..I used to be 100% Brunswick loyal. Right now, their equipment just isn't giving me a true desirable reaction. I need length with my speed/rev-rate combo and with the newer Roto-Grip equipment, thats what I'm receiving.
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Post by: EpicNIrish on July 23, 2007, 03:04:13 AM
After throwing the Mystic on a variety of sport and PBA conditions, and getting a good amount of games worked into it, I'm going to post my full review of this ball.
ROTO-GRIP MYSTIC
Layout: Pin roughly 5" from PAP, no X-hole. Cover left in OOB surface of 2000 grit + polish.
Bowler: Left-handed, Speed at roughly 15-16 MPH, rev-rate approximately at 250-275 RPM (Very rough estimate.)
Synthetic Lane Surface.
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Condition #1: PBA Pattern - Cheetah.
Standing with right foot on 31, swinging the ball from 17 out to about the 3 board. The Mystic seemed to excel here, better than most other patterns. I think the reason being, is since the Cheetah is only 35 feet in length, the Mystic hit friction a lot earlier, but with the angle I was playing, it was smoother off of the breakpoint, which is what I crave on shorter patterns. I was able to play that wide angle I like to play on short patterns, but without worrying about the ball checking up high on me unless it was a personal error (Tug to the right, bad release, etc). When I had to move further outside and play a bit more direct, I started to fluff the ball from the 10 board, out to about the 5, with my right foot ending on the 23 board or so. When coming up the back, you see the ball suffer in carry as it wants to pick up even earlier, and quits on me in the back-end of the lane. When I was "playing the wheel" with it, I saw a more pronounced, yet controlled move, with better pin carry, thus better scores/results.
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Condition #2: PBA Pattern - Scorpion
This pattern was a fun one to play on. 41 feet in length, a lot of head oil. We had more left-handers (three) than right handers (2) this week, so I was going to see a fair amount of transition on my side. I started out standing at the 20 board, playing straight up the 8 board, coming up the back of the ball more, trying not to let it go past the breakpoint. After bowling on Cheetah and watching this thing be a great benchmark ball, this was a bit of a change of pace. An extra 6 feet of length made a world of difference in ball reaction. The Mystic got down the lane a lot longer than expected, but still recovered. It was my best bet of the night to be honest, after two games with my Total Inferno, pin 3 3/8" from axis, 2000 grit no polish. The lane got a nice line burning up anywhere from the 8 board to the 12, thanks to another stroker playing my area with his Total Inferno, at original Rough Buff finish. By the final game, game #6, I was ending at the 32 board, playing 17-10, coming around the ball a bit more, pretty much my normal release. This pattern played well for it, but I would've been better suited with something I could've kept playing straighter with, like a weaker solid reactive.
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Condition #3: 44 Foot Sport Shot.
I bowled on this during a GM-JBT tournament. This pattern played pretty well for it I suppose. I was playing 18-13 with the Mystic for a good game or two, with my feet ending on around 33. Carry was hard to come by the first two games. I started fidgeting with my release and quit turning it so much so I could play tighter inside, and that did the trick for carry. The problem I see with this ball is trying to force it to hit it's breakpoint and react accordingly. You'd be better off with something stronger, non-pearlized for longer conditions like this.
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Overall, this ball really excels on medium length patterns, which is what the rep at the Open House said I should get it for, Tyler Jensen. I told him what I was looking for and after throwing the Mystic and pretty much falling in love with it, I decided to get me one and have it punched up fairly similar to the layout on the ball I threw that day before. Great ball produced by Roto-Grip. Fairly versatile, just know when to hold 'em (short-medium patterns), and know when to fold 'em (longer patterns where duller equipment can make the move a little more fluently).
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Post by: LucasMStone on July 30, 2007, 03:06:49 AM
Drilled 4inch pin to PAP, Pin under ring and NM-Mass Bias to the right of the thumb *Strong*. Knocked off the 2000 Polish box finish and took it to the grey scotch brite.. Ball is incredibly smooth. I am able to either play up the boards without a huge snap through the face, or even stand 30, play 15 board. Although, ball does somewhat read carry down, it does not recover enough. Better for medium - heavy lanes, but definitely not swing shot on Heavy. After being upset with the Horizon, this ball really came through for me.
Will definitely be the first ball out of the bag now on Medium oil synthetic lanes.
Post by: bowlersrus on August 14, 2007, 06:37:38 AM
Takes the pins out like a high dollar ball. Very versatile. May not quite be enough ball on heavier patterns without some surface adjustments. Can't really complain at all. Probably one of the best pearl particles on the market.
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Post by: TBS1 on November 05, 2007, 04:20:59 PM
Wanted this ball to get down the lane and have a smoother transition off the dry. As luck would have it this ball gives me great mid-lane recovery from almost everywhere. As with all Roto Grip products, the Mystic hits like a truck.
Another great product from Roto Grip!
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Post by: Snowman195us on December 01, 2007, 11:13:50 PM
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All I have to say is WOW!! Do this ball hit with a ton of power. Goes long and make a left turn when it hits the dry. I am a righty and I track high, right next to the fingers and thumb. On Sunday 11/25, in a new league I just joined, I shot 222-213-300, for by best series to date of 736. Just got back into bowling in Jan '07 after the house I bowled in closed. Prior to this series, by best was 179-255-275, for a 709.
I have never been a great bowler and would consider myself an average bowler. Avg in my two leagues are 202 and 191. Last two sets were 244-222-151(11/26) and 243-222-141(11/29) We will have to see what my average will be after a couple more weeks in the Sunday league I just joined(1 week scores above).
Other balls I have are the TNV, Venus, Super Sonic, Neptune, Crisis Solid, Equation and Element Zr40.
Balls in the bag are Mystic, Venus, Element Zr40 and my Roto Super Sonic.
Post by: agroves on December 05, 2007, 06:31:19 AM
Pin Length - 2"
Ball Weight - 15lbs
DRILL PATTERN
Pin to PAP - 5"
CG to PAP - 5"
BOWLER STYLE
Rev Rate - 325ish
Ball Speed - 17 by the quibica
PAP/Track - 5 1/2 right, 1/2 up
SURFACE PREPARATION
Grit - OOB
LANE CONDITION
Length - 41ft
Volume - med to heavy
Type (Wall, Xmas Tree, Sport) - various, see below
BALL REACTION(1-10)
Overall Hook - moderate
Midlane Read - reads early but doesn't jump
Breakpoint Shape - defined arc
COMMENTS
My proshop guy gave me this ball. He won it at the Easter high roller and it had been sitting in a cabinet in the shop. After a few months of pestering him, I guess he gave in.
Drilled pin above ring, right at 5" from my axis, 5/8s side weight.
The first house I used this ball in the pattern hooks quite a bit, typical house shot at 40 ft. I was looking 12 at the arrows and 5 at the breakpoint. OOB the Mystic hit the end of the pattern and bit hard left. After a game or so, that angularity of the move tamed down some. This league is filled with quite a few plastic ball straight tossers. The carrydown can get pretty bad depending on the team you draw for that night. I moved a couple of boards right throughout the set and put together a decent 751.
The other house I bowl league in is a heavier volume house shot. This house usually requires me to use something sanded due to my above avg speed. I can use the Mystic, but I have to be right of 10 at the arrows and play up the lane. I'm sure I could use this ball with a 1000 grit sand, but I like to use it once the track area starts to dry up.
Just another typical particle pearl. Smooth, predictable and handles carrydown well. The Mystic continues to impress me every time I throw it. Reminds me alot of the Oracle Vision I had about this time last year.
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Post by: JessN16 on May 13, 2009, 05:21:50 PM
The drill: Modified "Tommy Jones" layout -- pin high above the bridge with 2.25-inch pin buffer, CG just below midline and directly under ring, works out to a 5.25 x 3.5 drill for me. Surface is box.
Me: PAP 4 over 3/8 up, tweener revs, good speed, typically throw with high axis rotation and low tilt.
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These balls have been going for dirt cheap NIB on eBay lately and I got this one for $40. At that price it was a no-brainer to buy.
I have not had good luck with Roto gear lately. The Epic Saga, I found, was very touchy, although I eventually ended up making it playable after a redrill. The Silver Streak SE was an over-under nightmare for me after I adjusted from being speed-dominant back to more of a speed/rev-matched bowler.
But I needed a particle pearl, and I don't have any particle pearls in my collection with a length drilling, so for $40 I figured I at least wouldn't hurt my wallet too badly if I missed. I bought a ball with a longer pin (about 4.8 inches) and put a modified "Tommy Jones" layout on it, which carries the pin high above the bridge. The modification came with moving the CG a little to the positive side, which moves the theoretical mass bias away from the thumbhole.
First test bed for this ball was a broken-down and almost flat-oil shot our local house uses for recreational open play. It is tougher than its house shot (an average-scoring THS derivative) by about 15 pins. On top of that, the pattern had been hammered by plastic-throwing open bowlers all day.
As such, the Mystic was too much ball without any oil in the heads. Despite the length drilling from the Jones-style layout, the particles in the coverstock were still reading dry too early and causing over-hook. But I did notice that the ball was very consistent, and even though the hits were terrible due to the pattern, carry seemed to be good. I put the ball up after a short session.
For the second test, I was back at the same house on a fresh THS, which in this house is typically medium-dry with flatter lateral characteristics and not so much of a wall outside.
I'm not accustomed to uttering the words "angular particle pearl" very often, but this ball is just that. It has almost a reactive look downlane (probably a function of the layout) without sacrificing the traits that make particle pearl what it is -- the ability to play in the oil and the ability to ignore carrydown.
This is the first Roto ball I've thrown in a while that was this consistent from shot to shot. Carry and hit were both good, not spectacular but good.
Apparently, this ball just kind of got lost in the hoopla of other balls, and that's unfortunate. This is one of the best particle pearls on the market, especially if you like your particle pearls to retain an angular look.
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The good: Angular despite being a particle pearl, can play in a reasonable amount of oil or anything other than bone dry, responds well to hand position changes
The bad: Nothing really other that the ball doesn't have a true standout feature beyond its ability to mimic a reactive look.
Overall: One of those kind of balls that everyone needs to have in their arsenal but never seems to get around to buying.
Jess