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No Rules
« on: August 09, 2016, 01:32:38 PM »
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Forget the rules! Go with the Roto Grip No Rules bowling ball and throw the rules out. Roto Grip has combined the best features of their best cores to create the Chaotic core. This core combines differential stability, consistent axis migration, and defined RG bands to produce a ball that is powerful. They didn't stop there. Roto Grip has covered this core with their strong Micro DNA Solid Reactive cover to give you the traction you desire. This bowling ball is finished with a 2000-grit pad and is best used on medium/heavy to heavy oil conditions. Go ahead and break the rules with the Roto Grip No Rules!

Color: Neon Green/Neon Orange/Black
Core: Chaotic (14-16)
Coverstock: Micro DNA Solid Reactive
Finish: 2000-grit
RG: 2.51 (for 15# ball)
Differential: 0.053 (for 15# ball)
Recommended Lane Condition: Medium/Heavy oil to Heavy oil



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Re: No Rules
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2016, 04:45:11 PM »
Roto Grip NO RULES
Layout: 45 x 4 7/8th x 45
Finish: 2000 grit
Condition: 42 ft. THS on older HPL with a KEGEL FLEX with Fire and Ice conditioners with Defense-C cleaner.
Test results compared to the Eternal Cell: The No Rules is “No Joke”, it covers more boards off the pattern that ANY BALL I have used in the past. With the great color selection on this ball, it is very easy to read the changes in the motion down lane, which makes it easier to make those minor adjustments. The No Rules was 6-8 boards stronger than the Eternal Cell, which to me was my best ball on THS this past season. Even after beating the pattern up with about 10 games, I only needed to make minor adjustments on the lane and approach, because I can read the ball motion so well. I squared up a little and look tighter in, and the ball still hooked a ton. Even with the amount of volume we have in the middle of our house pattern, it still hooked through it. A great ball if you are going to use on the larger volume THS, or on hard surfaces like Brunswick and HPL lane patterns. I know this is going to be the ball of the year. No Rules ball = No pins left standing.


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Roto Grip No Rules by Keven Williams
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2016, 07:57:03 PM »
Bowler: Keven Williams
Hand: Left
Speed: 18.5mph
Rev Rate: 450rpm
Oil Pattern: Typical House Shot

The Roto Grip No Rules is a hooking machine. The new HP4 ball replaced the Roto Grip Hyper Cell but in my opinion the No Rules is much cleaner in the front part of the lane than the Hyper Cell. The No Rules is going to be a very versatile asymmetrical ball which is hard to come by these days. The No Rules hooks on oil and blends on friction. This is a great ball to add to the arsenal.


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Re: No Rules
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2016, 05:11:03 PM »
Want hook? This is the ball for you! Roto Grips latest addition to the HP-4 Line, NO RULES, features a brand new weight block. The Chaotic core has a  2.51 RG with .053 Diff and .018 INT Diff combined with the Micro DNA coverstock the ball motion this creates equals HOOK! At the 2000 abralon out of box finish, I found this ball to be the most hooking ball in my arsenal.
I drilled my No Rules with a 50° x 5″ x 40° putting the pin above my ring finger. The ball motion that I get out of the No rules is that i can get the ball right and have no worries about it hooking back. The best part about this ball is that it never quits. Normally high end asymmetrical balls quit or roll out. This one seems to read the mid lane while still maintaining its energy and not quitting on the backend.

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Roto Grip No Rules by Luke Rosdahl
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2016, 05:12:48 PM »
No Rules is a very apt name for this ball, because it seems to "break" a few rules of ball reaction as this ball does several things that you normally wouldn't be able to combine.  Namely, for as strong as it is, it's very easy through the heads, and very clean at the breakpoint.  It's also continuous, handles angle well, and doesn't burn up on friction.  While it's not sharp enough on the backend to just fling through a puddle, it's very responsive to speed, rev, and hand position changes, as its characteristics are not ball dominant, it's more of a precision tool.  As far as total hook, it's on par with the Menace and Alpha Crux, with its shape being directly between them.  It's not as smooth and arc-y as the Menace, while not as sharp off the breakpoint as the Alpha. 
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Roto Grip No Rules Review by Casey Murphy
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2016, 10:53:52 AM »
Orientation:  Right Handed
Rev Rate:  375 RPM
Speed:  16-17 MPH
PAP:  4 5/8 straight across

Location:  Enterprise Park Lanes, Springfield MO
Pattern:  High Volume THS
Layout:  50, 4 ¾, 70

The No Rules is an exciting new asymmetrical from Roto Grip.  It’s a brand new core and a brand new cover.  The core is a modified new version of the “CELL” series cores with some new technology applied.   The result is a clean solid that can handle a volume of oil but also continues better than any asym for a long time.  Compared to the Cell series balls, the No Rules is a touch earlier and while it has a similar backend, it is much more aggressive as it keeps going more.  It’s a great new Asym from those looking for the next big thing from Roto Grip!


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Roto Grip No Rules review by Brian Watson
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2016, 01:02:14 PM »
  The new release in the Roto Grip HP4 line is the No Rules.  New cover and new core technology from RG.   I drilled mine with favorite layout 5.25x4x3.25 pin up.  I will have to say that this is the strongest Roto Grip I've drilled.  I loved the Cell series which was a great series.  I think the No Rules rolls a little earlier but has better backend and continuation.  I have used the No Rules on a couple sport shots that had a lot of volume and it was the first ball that I drilled for awhile that allowed me leak it to the OB and still hit the pocket.  I added some polish to the cover and allowed me to use it on the larger volume house shots as well.  Great addition to the Roto Grip Family.

Right Hander
Rev Rate - 400
Speed    - 16-17
Axis Tilt  -  17
PAP  3 up 1  1/2


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Re: No Rules
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2016, 08:31:40 AM »

Length:41 ft

Volume: 22ml

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS


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Re: No Rules
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2016, 09:51:02 PM »
The No Rules is the latest high-end release from Roto Grip. The combination of the strong asymmetric Chaotic core and the Micro DNA solid coverstock, make this the strongest ball in the Roto line to date.

I drilled mine with the pin up in outside of my ring finger (3.5”) and the mass bias just inside of my thumb (4.5”) with a 2.5” pin buffer.

I got exactly what I expected out of the No Rules. It revs up quickly and makes a smooth and STRONG move down lane. It is easily the earliest ball in my bag, but it continues extremely well through the pins.

In my ball motion video, I threw the No Rules and the Wreck It on a 43’ medium volume sport pattern and was able to get them both to match up very nicely. You can find that video here:


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Roto Grip No Rules Review by Storm Staffer Matthew Kemper
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2016, 10:33:48 PM »
Lane Type: Wood

Length: 41ft

Volume: 21ml

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS


Likes:  Strong reaction, great on heavy lanes
Dislikes: none
The Roto Grip No Rules is the newest release in Roto Grips HP4 line.  The No Rules is surrounded with the Micro DNA Solid coverstock and is finished at 2000 grit Matte.  The balls motor is the new Chaotic Core and its colors consist of green, orange, and black.
I drilled my No Rules with a 55x5.5x45 layout.  I knew this ball was going to want to hook so I tried to give it a lower flare, longer layout.  This ball hooks A LOT.  There isn’t much else to say.  The No Rules is very strong on the backend and it will hook from just about any point on the lane.  I could play around 5th arrow and the ball still hit hard and carried well and I could take some hand and play a little straighter with some success.  This ball needs oil.
I recommend this ball for a bowler who needs something to handle oil.  The No rules do not like dry lanes and needs oil to make the ball push down lanes.  It will handle any longer pattern with heavier volumes of oil. 


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Re: No Rules
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2016, 07:56:08 PM »

Length:  40 ft, AMF HPL

Volume:  Heavy

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):  THS


Likes:  Continuation, carry, cleaner through heads compared to other solid asymmetrical balls.



All I can say is holy #$*@.  The No Rules is the definition of hook in the box.  Plain and simple.

As many of you know, this is the newest HP4 release and it had some big shoes to fill.  Having thrown balls with the Nucleus Core found in the Cell series and the Triliptic Core with the Theory series and the current Critical, seeing both of these come together gives the best of both worlds.  You get a hard hitting ball that rolls well and carries great while also getting the continuation in the back.  That is not something you see everyday with a solid asymmetrical ball.

Using the same 3-1/2 x 5 x 3 pin down layout that I had on my Defiant, with a rev rate of 380-420 and speed between 19-22mph, I threw this on AMF HPL at a house that plays tighter with the 40ft pattern.  Even though it is a THS, it tends to play flatter and you don't have as much room to miss in either direction.  Playing outside which is my A game, I really had to back a lot of hand out of it to make the No Rules work.  It carried extremely well, but if I were to use it outside going forward, I would either polish it or have a second No Rules with a weaker pin up layout. 

Eventually moving 20 boards left and getting it in the oil is where I found this ball shines the most.  It loves oil and a lot of it.  What I noticed is it's cleaner than what I had with the Defiant, is a touch longer but is a little more angular in back.  It's a bit of a different reaction than the Hyper Cell but for the better with the added continuation.  Every few shots, I was jumping further left and eventually ended up having to target 8-10 and had no issue whatsoever with recovery.  The next test for it will be seeing how it does on a sport shot.

This ball offers a lot of options.  For those who are speed dominant, you will be able to use the box finish and open up the lane a little bit for more versatility.  If you're evenly matched with rev rate and speed, it will allow you to be deeper than you're used to.  If you're rev dominant or have slower speed, you will likely need to change the surface and/or use a weaker layout.  The No Rules is insanely strong and it needs a lot of oil. 

If you are on a high volume pattern, this should be the first choice out of the bag in most cases.  The No Rules is a great combination of cover, core, and continuation while still having predictability.  Bottom line is that this ball is worth it.

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Re: No Rules
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2016, 08:02:43 PM »
I was only able to drill one of these ladies, so I'm writing this review based on that ball. I'm speed dominant, have a lower axis rotation and I drilled my NoRules with a strong flaring pin. I tried it out of the box and was let down by the over all motion. I feel like it created so much friction that it lost all of it's energy and hit very center has a 45ft. pattern with a buff distance of 35ft., so we have plenty of conditioner to make the shells skid. Carry was an issue with box finish and I thought polishing the surface will create better energy retention. It was exactly what this beast needed! After the surface adjustment I was striking at will. I've got about 5 games on it since with a solid 230 plus ave. in all. In the shop, with lower rev and or higher ball speed players, this is the ball to drill. For any tweener type players, like myself, I don't suggest it. Overall it's a great looking ball and I can't wait for the pearl edition! #ownit

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Re: No Rules
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2016, 10:30:44 AM »



Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):house shot






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Re: No Rules
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2016, 02:22:34 PM »

Length: Various lengths

Volume: Various (Medium to Heavy)

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):  YES

The No Rules is the newest release by RotoGrip for their HP4 Line.  The No Rules is a Hyper Cell on Steroids!  The Combination of the Chaotic Core and Micro DNA Solid coverstock means two words… Continuous Hook!  I went pretty conservative on the layout and went with pin below the ring finger with the Mass Bias slightly kicked out.  No extra hole was required because the cg was no in line.  The Dual angle numbers are 65 X 5 X 70 and that is off my PAP which is 5 5/8 over and ¾ up.  I am right handed and my rev rate is around 300 with medium ball speed.  I have a similar layout in a Hyper Cell and Critical.  I was able to throw all three bowling balls on a house pattern and also a flat US Open like pattern.  What was very clear from the beginning is that the No Rules was going to hook!  The Hyper Cell and the Critical are strong balls but the No Rules made them look tame.  I was at least 5 boards farther left with my feet on the flatter pattern.  The biggest difference besides the amount of overall hook was the continuation through the pins.  It was impressive even when the lanes started to dry up and was forced to open up the angles the No Rules still finished when the other balls did not.  The house pattern is always tricky for me.  The over under is always there!  The No Rules was plenty strong enough to play the oil line and keep the ball in front of me.  The continuation was impressive and allowed me to open up the lane. The longer the oil pattern and with more volume will allow the No Rules to pulverize the pins. 

Looking for a Huge Hooking Bowling Ball?  The No Rules is the Bowling Ball for You!

Likes:  Strong continuation through the pins

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Re: No Rules
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2016, 01:19:19 PM »
Roto Grip No Rules Ball Review by PJ Haggerty

Wow, wow, wow! A ton of hook.  Extremely strong, but usable on several types of patterns.  The new No Rules from Roto Grip is the strongest ball in the line!  I was a big fan of the Hyper Cell when it was out and I can say with confidence the No Rules has replaced it.  I’ve drilled one No Rules so far and really like how it rolls.  The layout is 5 ½ x 4 ½ x 40.  I also used a 3000 pad with some water to create a little more length. 

This layout and surface has created a strong, forward, and controllable motion that has been successful on multiple types of patterns.  I’ve been able to use it on the fresh as well as through the transition periods, which has been extremely nice to see.  Later in blocks I’ve noticed the No Rules is too strong.  After it looks like I need to use something else, I have typically gone to something cleaner that will store more energy, like a Snap Lock or Hy-Wire.

If you need to replace the strongest ball in your bag or need a ball for medium-heavy lane conditions, the No Rules will fill that need!