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Outlaw
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
Ball NPS Score: 100.00
Coverstock: Inception Solid Reactive 
Weight Block: Caliber Core (14-16 lbs), Modified Caliber Core (12-13 lbs) 
Ball Color: Black/Mahogany All colors do vary somewhat from the picture shown. 
Lane Condition: Medium Oil 
Ball Finish: 2000-grit Abralon 
Flare Potential: 4-5 inches 
RG: 16#-2.54, 15#-2.57, 14#-2.60, 13#-2.60, 12#-2.66 
- RG Differential:
 16#-0.051, 15#-0.048, 14#-0.044, 13#-0.040, 12#-0.032 
- A few tiny pit holes in the cover stock of the ball are normal 
Description: The Roto Grip Outlaw showcases a dependable weight block shape and powerful coverstock. The Caliber weight block shape of the Outlaw maximizes pin action, accomplished through increased energy transfer of about 12% when compared to traditional cores, and works for both rev dominant and speed dominant players. The Inception coverstock has a surface topography that showed Ra values up nearly 10% from previous blends. The Outlaw handles a variety of conditions ranging from a typical house shot to tough tournament action. the Outlaw provides an earlier, more predictable reaction.

 

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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2011, 09:18:25 PM »
LANE CONDITION






Length: 41 ft

 

Volume: medium


Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS


 



COMMENTS





The Roto Grip Outlaw is an interesting offering. The cover is pretty strong and aggressive, especially at the 2000 grit finish. The core is a strong flippy core. On the right conditions, medium-heavy to medium shots, this ball will allow just the right amount of length, while the core makes a nice strong move. This earlier, smoother reaction is a perfect compliment to the real skid/flip reaction of the Bandit. A very nice one-two punch in a mid-line Sword line.

 

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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 06:35:12 PM »

 


OUTLAW #1 – 40 X 4 ½ X 20 PIN UP-BOX CONDITION – 11RLWF08E036




INTENDED FOR HEAVIER OIL AND CARRY DOWN CONDITION AND A HOUSE CONDITION


WHERE THE SURFACE IS NEW OR NEWER AND HAS LESS FRICITION.




TESTED ON AUTOBAHN AND TURNPIKE AND THS ON A NEWER HPL AND OLDER SPL LANE PANELS




THE BALL EVEN IN THE O.O.B. CONDITION WAS SHARP OFF OF THE DRY AND DID DELIVER A STRONGER THEN NORMAL ANGLE INTO THE POCKET.




ON THE OLDER LANE PANELS, IT WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE STRONGER THEN I INTENDED TO BE. I PLAYED DEEPER AND WAS ABLE TO CREATE ENOUGH HOLD, BUT THEN THE BALL TENDED TO HIT A TICK BEHIND THE HEAD PIN.




OVERALL, AN OUTSTANDING BALL FOR THE PRICE POINT. I LIKE THAT THIS SOLID, UNLIKE THE NOMADS SOLID IS A TRUE DULL SURFACE BALL.




 



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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 06:36:17 PM »
 

OUTLAW #2 – 45 X 3 ½ X 35- P2 HOLE BOX CONDITION – 11RLWE261048




TENDED USE FOR HOUSE CONDITIONS FOR NEWER AND OLDER LANE SURFACES




TESTED ON THS IN 4 DIFFERENT BOWLING CENTERS WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF LANE PANELS




HAVING A SHORTER PIN THN NORMAL, IT HELP BURN IT UP A LITTLE SO THAT IT WAS NOT EXTRA STONG IN THE BACK END. STRUGGLE WITH IT A LITTLE ON OLD SPL,BUT, WAS EXCELLENT ON HPL AND NEWER SPL. LOVED IT ON THE NEW BRUNSWICK PANELS, MORE SO BECAUSE OF THE NEW SURFACE THE BALL DID NOT GRAB HARD.


ON A LONGER HOUSE PATTERN ON WOOD, IT WAS EXCELLENT ALSO. WILL KEEP THIS ONE AT BOX CONDITION, BECAUSE I FIND THIS BALL BETTER SUITED IN THAT CONDITION.

 








 

 


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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2011, 03:40:42 PM »
LANE CONDITION






Length:

 

Volume:


Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):cheetah pattern


 



COMMENTS






Being a bowler with a higher rev rate i noticed the Outlaw was a little dull out of the box. So I shined it up and used a 70x5x 1 1/ VAL layout. It gave me the length that i needed to get down the lane and didnt act to violent off the break point. It really worked great for me as i couldnt believe how it expoded at the pocket and drove through the pins with alot of stored energy. over all I feel this is a very good bowling ball that with the right layout it can be versitle. Its a must have in your arsenal.
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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 08:45:19 AM »
BALL SPECS


Pin Length:   3"   


Starting Top Weight:  2.69


Ball Weight:   15


 

DRILL PATTERN



Pin to PAP:      4 1/2


CG to PAP:      3 1/4


X Hole (if there is one): 1" off PAP towards Cg

 





BOWLER STYLE


Rev Rate:     medium
 

Ball Speed:  15.5-16.0

 

PAP/Track:    4 7/8


 


SURFACE PREP



Grit:   2000



Type: (Matte, Polish, Sanded): abralon

 





LANE CONDITION


Length:   39'

 

Volume: 



Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):   THS



 



BALL REACTION


Length:         Very good       


Back End:    Smooth

 

Overall Hook: Strong



Midlane Read:   Excellent


Breakpoint Shape:  Arc



 




COMMENTS


Likes:       A medium priced ball that can be used on house shots and medium oiled tournament conditions.


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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2011, 05:05:03 PM »
 








 

Layout- Pin above and right of ring finger, CG stacked with a narrow/deep hole out on the midline.


 


The new mid-range Roto Grip balls were the 2 new releases from the Storm brands I was most excited to get my hands on. The new weight block looked like a nice middle ground between the angularity in the Storm Victory Roads and the rolliness in the older mid-range Roto balls like the Mystic, Illusion and Grand Illusion. What ended up surprising me was how angular the Outlaw turned out to be for having a solid cover and a weight block that was pretty big around the equator. After throwing it a bit, I added the hole and some polish- the reaction reminded me A LOT of what my Roto Grip Riot had rolled like, except on steroids (quite a bit stronger). What is totally counterintuitive is the fact that adding the polish (and the hole) smoothed out my reaction quite a bit (I know what you’re thinking and it made little sense to me, but it’s true)- which is ALSO similar to what I got from my Riot. It actually does a really good job of blending out over-wall now- a lot like my polished Theory and 2 polished Riots, so the reaction is quite handy to have in my bag. I think folks with weaker hand that like to pla up the lane will really like this ball the most because of its relative strength in the price point and its ability to round the corner pretty well for a solid (see Storm Reign of Fire).

 

 



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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2011, 03:41:31 PM »
BALL SPECS


Pin Length: 2"


Starting Top Weight: 2.63 OZ


Ball Weight: 15 LB 3 OZ


 


DRILL PATTERN


Pin to PAP: 4"


CG to PAP: 4"


X Hole (if there is one): 1" ON AXIS
 





BOWLER STYLE


Rev Rate: TWEENER


Ball Speed: 14.7 (AVG)

 

PAP/Track: 5 1/4 X 1/8 UP


 



SURFACE PREP



Grit:1500



Type: (Matte, Polish, Sanded):MATTE

 





LANE CONDITION


Length: 41'

 

Volume: MEDIUM



Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):THS



 



BALL REACTION


Length: A LITTLE LESS THAN AVERAGE


Back End: STRONG ARC

 

Overall Hook: SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE



Midlane Read: GOOD 


Breakpoint Shape: HOOK AND STOP



 




COMMENTS


Likes: PERFECT COMPLIMENT TO THE BANDIT (WHICH IS MY BENCHMARK BALL NOW). I LIKE THIS BALL WHEN I GET A LITTLE INSIDE THE OIL LINE AND DON'T WANT TO BUMP THE DRY THIS IS THE BALL. I HAD THIS BALL DRILLED 4 X 4 STACKED WHICH IS A VERY STRONG DRILL. AT THE HOINKE TOURNAMENT I GOT A HOOK AND STOP REACTION WHICH GAVE ME CONTROL ON A TRICKY CONDITION. REVS UP NICELY AND STRIKES A LOT ON TIGHT INSIDE SHOTS. GREAT BALL WHEN THE PEARLS DON'T WORK.


Dislikes: DIDN'T HOOK AS MUCH AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD WITH THE BOX CONDITION. MY DRILLER SAID IT BURNS UP A LITTLE IN THE HEADS.


 


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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2011, 12:29:36 PM »
 



  


Let me start out by saying that I am a huge fan of the Nomad Solid and the Planet solids Saturn and Pluto. The Outlaw is the best of both worlds. Whether you want to call the ball a Pluto on steroids or a Nomad Solid that clears the fronts easier but still reads the mids and is strong on the back; I’m okay with either description.




Since I was going to only bowl on PBA Experience Patterns this summer I set my Outlaw up 45 x 4 ½ x 65. The pin is under the ring finger with the weight hole drilled at P3. I left the surface at box finish.




 




Night one I bowled on a version of Viper that had more push in the midlane than I was expecting. Instead of using either the Grenade or the Bandit, I pulled out the Outlaw. I played out and was able to control the lane. I made 2 and 1 or 3 and 1 moves in as the night went along but I never lost hit or even thought about changing balls. I threw a couple of shots very deep in the pattern and still struck. Bottom line is that I led the whole league by over 100 pins that night.




 




Night two I bowled on Chameleon. With two other players working the same part of the lane as I was (One playing up 5 and the other playing up 10) I knew the lanes would get choppy in the fronts with a big traction area down lane. Game one was a bit of a mess but as they broke down I  moved in big time and switched to the Outlaw shooting 211, 200 and 236 winning the last three games.




 




Bottom Line: Whether I was playing up the edge or swinging the middle, the Outlaw gave me a very confident look and carry.  For players that prefer solids to pearls this will be a ball that is extremely versatile.  I will be drilling a pin up Outlaw as an addition to my arsenal for the upcoming season. 




 




Did I mention the ROTO GRIP $100,000.




 Roto Grip is also unveiling the Bandit & Outlaw Challenge.  This gives any USBC bowler the chance to earn $100,000 by bowling a 900 series using either the Outlaw or Bandit in any USBC certified league! 



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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2011, 08:13:49 PM »
 

Sword line: Mid-price   


 


Cover: Inception Solid Reactive


 


Core: Caliber (new weight block)


 


RG: 2.57


 


Diff: .048


 


Rev Rate: 420+ RH


 


Average: 220+


 


Ball Speed: 16-18 mph


 


PAP: 4” over


 


Weight Hole: p2


 


Layout: 40 x 4 ¼ x 70 (pin under)


 


Intent: Use on patterns 37’ and higher / THS


 


 I drilled my Outlaw this way to give me the option to use this ball more often and on a variety of different patterns. Out of the box this ball HOOKS! With the surface being 360/2000 OTB this ball hooked really early for me with my rev rate. Surface adjustment that I made was 1000/4000 no polish, that was the ticket! This gave me the push through the fronts that I was looking for, still maintained the strong mid-lane move towards the pocket with continuous motion through the pin deck.


 


 Likes: I absolutely love the ball motion of this core/cover combo, its predictability and carry are extraordinary!!   I drilled mine pin under and it still gives me easy push through the heads. Yet another great ball at a mid-price with great performance from Roto Grip!


 


Dislikes: Nothing that a minor surface adjustment couldn’t fix.   Higher rev players may want to adjust surface pending ball speed.


 


Anthony Colosimo

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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2011, 08:14:10 PM »
 

Sword line: Mid-price   


 


Cover: Inception Solid Reactive


 


Core: Caliber (new weight block)


 


RG: 2.57


 


Diff: .048


 


Rev Rate: 420+ RH


 


Average: 220+


 


Ball Speed: 16-18 mph


 


PAP: 4” over


 


Weight Hole: p2


 


Layout: 40 x 4 ¼ x 70 (pin under)


 


Intent: Use on patterns 37’ and higher / THS


 


 I drilled my Outlaw this way to give me the option to use this ball more often and on a variety of different patterns. Out of the box this ball HOOKS! With the surface being 360/2000 OTB this ball hooked really early for me with my rev rate. Surface adjustment that I made was 1000/4000 no polish, that was the ticket! This gave me the push through the fronts that I was looking for, still maintained the strong mid-lane move towards the pocket with continuous motion through the pin deck.


 


 Likes: I absolutely love the ball motion of this core/cover combo, its predictability and carry are extraordinary!!   I drilled mine pin under and it still gives me easy push through the heads. Yet another great ball at a mid-price with great performance from Roto Grip!


 


Dislikes: Nothing that a minor surface adjustment couldn’t fix.   Higher rev players may want to adjust surface pending ball speed.


 


Anthony Colosimo

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Pembroke Pines, FL



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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2011, 08:14:10 PM »
 

Sword line: Mid-price   


 


Cover: Inception Solid Reactive


 


Core: Caliber (new weight block)


 


RG: 2.57


 


Diff: .048


 


Rev Rate: 420+ RH


 


Average: 220+


 


Ball Speed: 16-18 mph


 


PAP: 4” over


 


Weight Hole: p2


 


Layout: 40 x 4 ¼ x 70 (pin under)


 


Intent: Use on patterns 37’ and higher / THS


 


 I drilled my Outlaw this way to give me the option to use this ball more often and on a variety of different patterns. Out of the box this ball HOOKS! With the surface being 360/2000 OTB this ball hooked really early for me with my rev rate. Surface adjustment that I made was 1000/4000 no polish, that was the ticket! This gave me the push through the fronts that I was looking for, still maintained the strong mid-lane move towards the pocket with continuous motion through the pin deck.


 


 Likes: I absolutely love the ball motion of this core/cover combo, its predictability and carry are extraordinary!!   I drilled mine pin under and it still gives me easy push through the heads. Yet another great ball at a mid-price with great performance from Roto Grip!


 


Dislikes: Nothing that a minor surface adjustment couldn’t fix.   Higher rev players may want to adjust surface pending ball speed.


 


Anthony Colosimo

Roto Grip Amateur Staff

10 Back Proshops

Pembroke Pines, FL



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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2011, 11:25:29 AM »
LANE CONDITION






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My Axis is 5 5/8 right, ¼ up, my speed is average and I would consider myself with higher revs but more up the back. So not a cranker but not really straight either.


 


Pin right of ring finger, CG center of grip.


 


Right out of box I felt I would have to shine this one, just by looking at it (not too often do I find a ball this dull that I don’t have to shine). I was wrong because this ball surprisingly rolls through the front of the lane much better than expected and holds its energy for down lane very well. Of course if the fronts are fried it will go early. I’ve used this ball playing straight up the lane and it is very controlled. I’ve also played 5th arrow with a little less speed on the Middle of the Road pattern and it recovers very well.


 


This ball can be used on a variety of conditions in box shape and it holds its reaction very well! Suppose you could shine it for more length also, but I like it stock.




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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2011, 06:33:51 PM »
Hello all and thanks for reading.....  Here is the video that goes with RotoGrip's new Outlaw:
Wow Wow WOW!!!   Not sure I can say this enough.  If anyone ever felt like the Nomad Solid wasn't enough for you then this is the ball for you.  The new core in the Outlaw and the Bandit allows you to have the versatility of the original Cell line at a mid price point and let me tell you....... they are worth so much more than what you will pay for them.  
 
The Outlaw starts in the midlane with a great even roll and the surface allow you to play in the heaviest of conditions or will allow you to tame a ridiculously strong backend.  I have used this ball on every single patter from Cheetah all the way to the Shark with success.  I mostly enjoy using this ball on the shorter patterns where I can play further out and maintain a strong yet controllable backend reaction.  In the video, which is the house shot, you can really see how the ball likes to rev up and then pick up a very heavy controlling roll on the back part of the lane.  As the fronts start to break down a little bit have not fear of moving more toward the inside part of the lane as this ball will cut right through the heavy concentration most houses will put between boards 15 and 25.  
 
Comparing to the Nomad Dagger the overall shape is similar but the Outlaw allows you to be inside of your opponents lines that will get kinda chewed up as your league night moves forward.  So if you are looking for a good controllable ball that won't squirt passed breakpoints then this is the one for you.  



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Re: Outlaw
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2011, 09:22:46 PM »
 

Ball specs – 15 lbs 2 oz, 3.14 top weight, and 3 3/8-inch pin.


 


Using the dual angle method, the Outlaw was punched with a 4 1/2 inch pin distance, 70 degree drill angle and a 30 degree VAL angle. Using Strom’s drilling method the layout is 4 ½ X 5 ½ X 2 pin buffer. An X-hole was not needed. The surface was initially left OOB (2000 abralon) but then polished.


 


With the new cover stock (Inception) and OOB surface the Outlaw is a surprisingly strong piece in the mid-performance Sword line. If you have some hand or slower ball speed the Outlaw will need some oil up front. (I ended up leaving mine at 2000 but added some polish) The mid lane read was strong and the ball continued to hook down lane. Hit and carry are both very good. The Outlaw started up about three feet sooner than a similarly drilled Bandit with the Bandit being quicker off the friction (more angular) down lane.


 


The Outlaw is a step up in overall hook compared to the ball it replaces, the Nomad solid. The Outlaw will be a great choice on medium to medium-heavy conditions depending on hand and ball speed. 


 


John Brodersen

 








 

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