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Saturn
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
Ball NPS Score: Not Available
Roto Gripģ delivers more "bang for the buck" than any company on the market, and the all-new Saturntm is no exception.

This entry-mid price ball is propelled by the Orbitertm core. The High RG/Low Differential core has proven to be far superior in performance than the competition by giving you dependable mid-lane read along with consistent backend reaction shot after shot on those medium to lighter patterns.

Traction is the key and Sure Grip IItm solid coverstock once again is the finishing touch on the Saturntm. This milder blend solid reactive gives you smoother transition from the oil to the dry for increased control and predictability. It can also be easily adjusted with the use of polishes and scotch-brite pads.

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Specifications


Factory Finish  800- Machine Sanded  
Track Flare Potential  2-3 Inches  
Lane Condition  Light - Medium Oil  
Cover Stock  Sure Grip IItm Solid Reactive  
Weight Block  Orbitertm Core  
Color  Black / Purple  
D-Scale  75 -78  
Available Weights  12 -16 Pounds




Core Dynamics


WEIGHTS  RG  DIFFERENTIAL  
16 lb.  2.60 (Med-High)  .030 (Low)  
15 lb.  2.61 (Med-High)  .028 (Low)  
14 lb.  2.63 (High)  .035 (Med)  
13 lb.  2.67 (High)  .020 (Low)  
12 lb.  2.67 (High)  .020 (Low)


 

Mark Curran

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2006, 09:06:23 PM »
Have had opportunity to throw the Saturn about a dozen games the last few days on a couple different conditions and lane surfaces. This ball is going to be very popular. It's cheap, rolls great and is strong enough to be used by a lot of different players but not so strong that it's a single condition ball. It's nice to have a low diff ball with a solid coverstock in the Roto Planet line.

My Saturn is punched with a 4.5 x 4.0 layout, pin up over ring finger. This would be a 70 degree 4.5 inch pin placement up 3" from the midplane. Ball gives me a couple inches of flare on the house condition.

Coverstock in out of the box condition. When thrown with my normal release and speed this ball gets down the lane easy and then bites and turns nicely off the spot. Nothing goofy, just a nice predictable reaction with a crisp hit. Jump on it a bit and you can make it turn harder, back out with a bit of added speed and you can straighten it but won't give up much hitting power. I really like balls like this as I can make them do different things and don't feel like I'm carrying a single condition pellet around. As intended, the Saturn is going to replace my aging Ressurection as the benchmark ball in my current collection.

I'm really impressed with the core dynamics of this ball and it looks like a superb core + cover match. Ball rolls great, revs up and keeps it's energy downlane without over hooking. Looks like the Saturn will be one of the best all around mediums ball from Roto to date. Certainly this ball will find a home in a lot of competitive arsenals and it is going to be a very flexible piece for shops to put players into. Knowing how the Roto covers respond to cover tweaking, I expect it will shine up very well and give signficantly more length with commensurate increase in breakpoint angle.

The Saturn is another superb value from Roto Grip.

Mark

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2006, 11:51:46 AM »
Drilled my Saturn yesterday. Drilled ring finger thru the pin, CG kicked out 1 1/2 inches from grip center. First time I have usaed this layout. What have I been missing?  House Shot - Great thru the heads, reads in the midlane, strong and controlled on the back.  Burned up house shot - Moved in to about 22 and had good look. First time I have been able to use a dull ball this far inside and have no problems with corners. Will post more as I get more games on the ball. Initial opinion is great ball and great value.

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2006, 06:04:27 PM »
Ball Specs
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Pin: Out 3"
Starting Top Weight: 2.5 oz.
Layout:  4" Pin to axis; small hole on axis (5 3/8" out, 1/2" down)
Surface:  Light coat of Storm Xtra Shine

I don't normally review balls until I've used them for at least a month, but I'm gonna make an exception with the Saturn.  Let me start by saying this ball is much stronger than the core numbers and the price point would suggest.  It's actually a great compliment to the RS-X in terms of ball motion and overall hook.  I drilled the Saturn because I've been struggling at my home house which breaks down very quickly.  I typically end up around the fourth arrow, but the backends are tight so carry isn't good.  The Saturn clears the fronts and doesn't read the midlane as much as my RS-X, but archs nicely off the spot.  I expected it to be a little jumpy off the break point, but it's really smooth and it hits great.  Great match of cover and core, this might be the best entry level reactive on the market.  

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2006, 01:22:55 PM »
Iíve used this ball on a house pattern and a flatter tournament pattern. Iím in the middle range with a rev rate around 300+ and average ball speed at about 17.5. Layout is 4.75 x 3.75 from my PAP which is 5.25 over and .5 up. I used it on a fairly wet house pattern and a short tournament pattern so far.This is probably the strongest ball on the market at this price range. I found that I could do almost anything I want with this ball with the factory finish. With a strong release and a little extra loft I could get this ball to turn the corner like a high priced ball. Itís not extremely angular at the back end but strong and continuous. Iím assuming, that with a little polish it will show a nice crisp back end snap, as that is what I find with itís sister, the Mercury, which uses the same type weight block. And at the same time the carry was great with the pins staying low. With a weaker release and a little extra speed it was easy to keep this ball on line playing straighter up the boards. The real beauty of this ball is that it is predictable enough to use as a spare ball even though itís a strong strike ball. The weight block will not pull this ball off line shooting either side of the lane. This is a great ball for the bowler who wants to use just one ball for everything including spares and at the same time, a great ball for the guys who want to fill in gaps in their arsenal.
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Re: Saturn
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2006, 05:27:22 PM »
Roto Grip's newest ball in the entry level reactive line is the Saturn. It contains the  Orbiter core surrounded by the Sure Grip II reactive cover found in the Mercury. The difference between balls is the Saturn is  800 machine sanded compared to the 1500 grit, factory polished Mercury.
I drilled the box condition Saturn with a  5" x 4" layout, pin above my ring finger, a 55/64 weight hole 2" deep on my axis, leaving approximately 1/2 ounce of side weight. My axis is 5 1/4" over, 3/8" up, which put the pin a shade to the right of my gripline.
I bowled on a freshly oiled house condition, 32' of oil buffed to 39 feet. As a benchmark ball I used a black Roto Grip Silver Streak, label drilled, pin above my ring finger, 4 1/2" from my pap. To strike with the Silver Streak, I stood 32 and rolled the ball 17 at the arrows to 10 at the break point. I then took the Saturn and played the same line. I struck a few times before the ball hit some carry down and didn't finish. I then moved 5 boards right to 27 and played a 14 to 10 line. Giving the ball a little less oil up front and the same amount of friction on the back let the Orbiter core do its job. This ball hit hard, kept the pins low, and struck on shots even when I missed a board or two out. As the shot broke down a little, I moved inside to stand on 37. I slow hooked it through the front part of the lane out to 12 and the ball set up and struck.
      The Saturn rolled smoothly through the fronts and midlane,with a very readable, smooth arc on the backend.  For medium/dry conditions, bowler's with medium to heavy hands should have no problem getting this ball down the lane with plenty of pop left for the back end. Drilling this ball with a slightly stronger layout will help those bowler's with weaker hands/lower rev rates, play more in the oil up front, and still have pop left for the back end. Changing the surface to alter the breakpoint can easily be done by using finer grits of sandpaper on the ball.  With a retail price of around $130, this ball will fit well into any bowler's arsenal.

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2006, 10:49:00 AM »
Punched up my Saturn a week ago,ball specs 14lb2oz/1.5"2oz.tw, pin wasn't exactly what I was expecting so I worked around it. Drilled 4x3.75 pin slightly below and right of ring finger 45 degree 4:00 pin placement up 2" from mid plane, weight hole 2" right of vertical axis 3/4" 2" deep. Went out 3x's with the ball twice in box condition on burnt or close to it lane conditions ball was good just could not get a real good feel of what it could do. Went home hit it with a light coat of Storm Extra Shine. Went back out got a fresh THS at a house near by what a difference very smooth,versatile,predictable and alot more pop with the polish. I have not had a look like this in ages could move anywhere with small hand,speed adjustments the ball responded as if I had remote control, and hit was above average keeping the pins low and carrying shots I have not carried in a long time,tugged a few shots left and the ball didn't go wild,you wont leave many 10 pins with this ball either. Did I mention that I've been in a horrible slump for the last 3 months? Last night's league play I was able to complete a full set with this ball and shot 689 as compared to mid 5's,pretty ugly picture and it should have been in the 7's missed a couple of 1 pin spares with the spare ball. If you're in a slump I would suggest that this ball just may be what you need and you could buy yourself out of it. All that said Roto Grip seems to be way ahead of the competition with their offerings. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!! thats why they say ROTO GRIP KING OF THEM ALL.

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2006, 03:10:23 PM »
I punched this ball out with anticipation for my next league night.  The lanes have been kind of like a wet dry with medium amounts of oil.  So my stronger balls were still to strong and my RS1/X's are a lil to angular, which were amounting to corners all night for me.  Anyway I layed out my Saturn with the pin slightly above my middle finger with the cg swung out about 35 degrees with a 4" pin.  This translated to a nice smooth midlane read with a good amount of pop on the back end.  Matching this layout with the solid cover and box finish the Saturn rolls beautiful for me.  

     I was able to get inside all of my Sonic line balls and still stay right of the RS1/X's and my Silver Streak.  This put me in the sweet spot of the lane that night and I managed to shoot a 776 set that included a 290 game.  This ball is a perfect addition to your Roto collection with the Solid reactive cover and the Orbiter core.
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Re: Saturn
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2006, 03:42:53 PM »
I had this ball drilled pin out (3 inches) with the pin above and directly between the middle and ring fingers and the cg bounced out quite a bit with a small weight hole. Out of the box finish. I have to admit that this ball hits very hard!
   I tested this ball on a left over house shot on old Brunswick synthetic lanes. This ball goes down the lanes relatively straight and smooth, but amazes me on how much backend it has! I love how the Saturn is so smooth going through the oil pattern. I am a whole arrow to the right when I throw this ball compared to my Epic Battle and Oracle bowling balls. The Saturn is definitely the ďgo toĒ ball after the transition is dead and gone, and the lanes are beginning to open up some more. I also do not have a problem moving into 4th arrow with the Saturn since it still recovers and carries real well. This ball still needs a little bit of head oil to work or else the backend will be too much for the ball. This ball is real touchy on heavy oil conditions as it should be since the RG is very high (2.61- 15lb) making it a perfect ball for medium to light oil conditions. The big payoff is that for an entry level ball, you get tremendous hitting power and great carry, all while having an amazingly predictable reaction! I love the Saturn and definitely recommend this ball to be part of any bowlerís arsenal today!

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2006, 10:41:40 PM »
For an entry level ball this is a bargain!  Pro shop owners looking for an better product your clients will appreciate have found a great resource.  The Saturn has a strong reactive coverstock when the entry level pearls just won't due.  Great for beginners and bowlers with slower ball speeds.  The Orbiter core gets down the lane with no effort.  However the backend reaction is spectacular.  The ball transitions smoothly into a strong position without over reaction that you'll find in the pearl coverstocks.  For the experienced bowler when the oil pattern becomes non-existent, this is a great go to ball, keep it in the bag.

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2006, 10:02:13 AM »
Pin above the bridge, GC in the palm, no weight hole, box finish
This is a very smooth drilling.  Hitting the pocket light-flush will throw the pins all over the deck.  Very consistent roll on a fresh shot, or on a lighter pattern.  I tend to keep it away from heavier patterns.

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2006, 05:07:12 PM »
I don't remember recently a ball in this price range with this much potential.  I drilled this one 4X5 with a 4"+ pin with no hole. Using box finish the Saturn is smooth through the heads and for me has kind of an "old-fashion" sweeping charge on the backend.  I used this one on two different house shots one with heavy volume and the other a little choppy.  I was able to play a lot of different angles and still get the ball to read and finish by changing speeds or hand positions.  Basically for me it's a ball I can really get a lot of hand into it at the release without worrying about over/under.  I see a lot of different types of player being able to use this one.  I've sold more of these in my shop the last month than any other ball-----it should be one that avg. league players will love and  tournament players can use on all but the wettest of conditions.  When there too slick just go to your Epic Battle.
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Re: Saturn
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2006, 12:22:48 PM »
I was at a tournament 2 weeks ago on a oil pattern that was not forgiving if you don't control your speed your ball would hook more if you slow down.It would go true the brake point if you throwed it to hard when ever I made a mistake on my speed I could not believe how much more room I had compare to most bowler I was playing oustside 5 board the lanes where playing very dry in the track and the edge of the gutter had more oil not the best place to be but this ball did not over react in the back end but it carry so good I only had 3 ten pins in 16 games.I would recommend this ball for house condition that are wet in the middle and dry on the outside yesterday I use it at our center and this ball is easy to control It's a great ball for any average bowler if you buy only one ball a year and your average is in the mid one hundred you will love this ball scratch bowler will love this ball for the ways it carry corner pins so well.

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2006, 02:29:15 PM »
Profile:  Left Handed power Tweener


Ball specs:  Times 2     1st is a 15lb 2.5 oz top 4-4.5pin,  2nd is 15lb 2.5 top with 3-4 pin


Drillings: First is drilled with pin in my ring finger and cg kicked an inch to  positive side just left and about an inch above thumb hole, threw in oob condition then polished it with bruswick high gloss factory finish.  Second is drilled with pin on my PAP and cg is 2 inches under ring finger.  Also polished over the oob with brunswick factory finish.  


Reviews:1st ball i purchased first.  I have found this to be a great piece for med to med light when I need to get a ball thru broken down heads on med condition with either fresh backs or a little carry down.  Boy does this ball have a great entry angle to the pocket goes down about fifty feet and makes a very hard sharp controlled turn of the dry and hits excellent.  Keeps pins low and flying.  Tug it inside it will hold and let it out a few boards of target will recover nicely and still carry most of time.  This ball is worth every penny I paid for it and then some.  This ball is worth its weight in gold on a med condition.  I give this ball a solid 9 out of 10.  A definate must buy for the price.

2nd I made a condition specific ball.  I drilled this ball with the pin on my axis.  Have alot of trouble around these parts with broken heads and over reactive backends.  So decided to go this route and glad I did.  This ball gets thru heads of any kind clean and it brings the rail back in to my bag and makes a nice controlled arc to pocket with ample energy to carry out the corner, it replaced my mercury, that how impressed i was with it.  I really suggest drilling one of these if you are a power tweener or a cranker that is looking for a nice controlled look and bringing backa part of the lane you havent played in years cause you cant keep it there.  I can play in the dirt with this.  For this condition it is solid gold.  This drilling is not for someone that doesnt move the ball a whole lot,  If you have never been able to get into 20-25 at the arrows on a fresh ths this drilling is not for you for all others please give it a try.  Keep these planet balls coming i with throw the death out of them!!
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Re: Saturn
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2006, 03:52:20 PM »
To see my personal bowling specs please see my profile.

A pic of the ball that I am reviewing now can be found here:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h305/Roto-Mat/Saturn.jpg

Ball Stats:

Pin Location: 5.5" Over Bridge
Mass Bias Location: 65 Degrees
Weight Hole: None
Personal Favorite Surface Condition: Polished or White Scotch Brite

Review:

Conditions I would consider using this ball on:
Shorter patterns
Choppy head oil
Later league or tournament blocks
If I am bowling on a short sport or house pattern, this is one of the first balls out of my bag. This ball is great for those down and in outside lines where other balls will either burn up too soon or are unable to stay outside long enough to take advantage of these angles. Another condition I have found this ball usefull is when medium patterns are going through transition in the front part of the lane. This ball simply ignores the dry boards in the heads, also making this a prime ball for me to use when bowling in longer tournament formats. I have no worries about taking this ball into 5th or 6th arrow to get left of the dry boards and still get great carry.

Conditions I would not consider using this ball on:
Longer patterns
Extreme left to right wet dry
Carry Down
Obviously this ball was not made for heavy oil. I have found that even with a duller surface, this ball will not recover well or read the midlane if there is a fair amount of oil towards the end of the lane. I also thought that this ball might be the ticket for a playing a top hat house pattern right up the oil line, which it was if I consistently missed right. If I missed left by even a board, or threw it a little bit too hard, it would not recover enough to manage a strike.

Roto-Grip Balls Up or Down In Reaction:
Ball Up In Reaction: Silver Streak SE
Ball Down In Reaction: Mercury
I have found that if I am using the Saturn on a condition that suits it and start to run into some carry down, I can easily switch to my Silver Streak SE  (Drilled pin 5" from PAP/mass bias 70 degrees) and be within 2-3 boards left of the reaction. However, if I find myself on a condition with the Saturn where it starts to burn up too early (Extremely rare), I can switch to my Mercury (Drilled pin in ring finger/mass bias 70 degrees) and either stand in the same place or even move a board or two right and maintain the line.

Caveat for others:

As I have drilled this ball for other bowlers, I have found some dos or doníts.
DO Experiment with the cover. Polished may be better for you.
DONT Expect this ball to be used on complete toast. The Mercury is much better for this.
DO buy this ball if you have a higher rev rate and have trouble getting the ball through the heads.
DO buy this ball if you have a lower rev rate and enjoy playing out side angles.

Thank you for your time in reading this review. I hope that you have found it helpful. If you have any questions feel free to PM me and I will try to help.

Thanks!

Mat Henning
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