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Winner Solid
« on: November 14, 2018, 11:06:14 AM »
Roto Grip continues their winning streak with the Winner Solid bowling ball. This ball uses the Altered Hotshot core wich was designed to offer the length and reaction needed at the HP2 performance level. The VTC-S18 Solid coverstock provides traction down the lane without reacting too early. This ball is best used on medium to medium/heavy oil conditions when it will clear the front part of the lane easily and then give ample backend motion.

Color: Black / Purple / Green
All colors do vary somewhat from the picture shown
Coverstock: VTC-S18 Solid Reactive
Core: Altered Hotshot Core
Finish: 3000-grit Pad
Recommended Lane Condition: Medium to Medium/Heavy Oil
RG: 2.54**
Differential: 0.054**
** RG and Diff are based off of 15 lb. balls

 

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Re: Winner Solid
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2019, 01:47:48 PM »
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Ball:  Rotogrip Winner Solid
Layout:  Xx4x45
Surface:  2000A
Lane Condition:  THS mediumvolume
Lane Surface:  Brunswick Anvilane

Tester:  Andrew
Average:  230
Dexterity:  Right
PAP:  4 9/16>, 3/8U
Rev Rate:  370

The Dare Devil Trick was my go-to benchmark piece for tournament conditions or early in the set on higher volume house shots.  The Winner Solid was the logical replacement for the DDT.  I drilled them the same.  However, I did notice some minor differences.  The Winner Solid is smoother off the spot than the DDT.  Carry is equally as good but the read off the end of the part is much better.   

This ball is the perfect ball to start with on most Challenge and Sport patterns for me.  It has the right balance of strength and controllability.  It isn’t as strong as the IDOL, but it doesn’t need to be.  The Winner gives me the feedback I need to decide if I can stay with the Winner Solid or ball up to the Halo line or down to the HP1 line.

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Re: Winner Solid
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2019, 08:19:29 AM »
LANE CONDITION

Length: House shot

Volume:

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):


COMMENTS

Likes:After drilling the Winner pearl and loving the angular back end motion decided to try the solid. It did not disappoint. The Winner solid reads the mid lane very nice and clean and makes a nice angular motion in the back end. Great ball to start with on a house shot something predictable and easy to transition with .

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Re: Winner Solid
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2019, 10:51:42 AM »
LANE CONDITION

Length: 43

Volume: 21mL

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS


COMMENTS

Likes: When the lanes break down, this ball does work!

Dislikes: Not the motion I like to see on the Fresh


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The Winner solid is a good addition to the RotoGrip HP2 line.  For me the Winner solid is similar to a weaker iQ tour Solid. It actually reminds me most of an older release, the RotoGrip Devour.  The motion is very clean through the front part of the lane and I personally would like it to read the mids a little better on the fresh, but it has a good motion down lane.  On the fresh I get a little over/under but once the lanes transition and they get a little toasty this ball really shines.  This ball will still clear the heads well, read the mids, and gives you a strong but very controllable motion off the dry.  This is where this ball marks its territory!

The Layout I used was my typical pin up 60x5x35.  This puts the pin above my ring finger and the CG about an inch off of my center line.

Some balls I'm Loving at the moment:
CodeX pin down- 60x5x70 (p3 hole)
Idol pin down- 60x5x70 (no hole)
Idol Pearl- 60x5-1/2x35
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Re: Winner Solid
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2019, 09:52:15 AM »
Roto Grip Winner Solid

To compliment the original Winner, the Winner Solid has the same Altered Hotshot™ Core but features the new VTC-S18 Solid Coverstock. According to Roto Grip, “The major key was getting the ratios of materials just right to provide traction throughout the lane without gripping too early.”

The Winner Solid will be able to handle a little bit more oil than its pearl counterpart for sure. Compared to the original Show Off, the new Winner Solid will clear the front of the lane easier and give more backend motion. I thought the original Winner was too clean and really needed a high rev rate or slow ball speed player for it to match up properly, the Winner solid though seems to be the perfect bride between the Hustles and the Show Off. I would say it’s a… wait for it… Winner. (Sorry, not sorry LOL)

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Re: Winner Solid
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2019, 03:09:47 PM »
Hi and thank you for reading my review for the RotoGrip Winner Solid, here we go….I drilled my Winner solid pin under my fingers which works out to be five inches from my axis. This ball hooks a bunch, more than I was expecting for sure. I'm a high track player with below average tilt and maybe a tad too much speed. The winner plays right into my wheelhouse, it gives you tug room in the oil and it is smoother off the friction for those wide from target type shots. I would compare it to the OG Idol as far as the shape on the lane is concerned but, with less energy at the breakpoint. It will take a handful of games to glaze the surface and when that happens, in my opinion, the Winner gets even better. Right out of the box it was too close to the Idol and did not make a whole lot of sense to have both of those balls in my bag. My Idol is pin up with a five inch pin and has more perceived angle at the end of the pattern. Needless to say, the price you pay for the amount of reaction you get is really something to commend. If you have a little less hand and you need some budget hook this is the rock to go get. Great job by the Roto Team! Keep them rolling in! #SquadRG

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Roto Grip Winner Solid by Brian Watson
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2019, 11:49:33 AM »
PAP - 3 5/8 up 1 1/8
Speed - 16
Tilt -17
RPM -400

I was a big fan of the RG original winner.  But sometimes the Winner was a little squirty on the fresh or too much downlane. Well the Winner solid was a perfect match to use on the fresh and or the wet dry lane condition.  I drilled mine 4.5 x 4.5 x 4.5 pin down.
I would label the Winner Solid as Control.  Very smooth and predictable.  A little earlier and slower response down lane.  Great sport shot ball, or high rev guys wanting to control the backends.

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Re: Winner Solid
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2019, 06:13:33 PM »
This ball cover was a lot stronger than I thought it would be. I changed the surface to 4000 to make this ball a transition piece. I see this ball to be very successful with shorter and medium patterns as well as your normal house shots. I have been a fan of the Winner and this ball perfectly complements it with an early roll when the Winner is not picking up early enough. For an HP2 line ball the performance is well worth the price. This ball fits in my bag after my IQ Tour and Phaze II and before my Winner and HyRoad.

Layout: 55 x 4.25 x 40

Ryan Patterson

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Re: Winner Solid
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2019, 12:58:33 PM »
The Winner solid is the follow up to the Winner in the Hp2 line of balls from Roto Grip. This ball has the same core as the pearl called altered hotshot, which has an Rg of 2.54 and a differential of 0.054, in 15lbs. The VTC-S18 is a new cover for Roto Grip and has a black/purple/green color combination. The Winner solid has a box finish of 3000 grit.

I drilled the Winner solid with a 4” pin, and 3” pin buffer. I’m really not sure what to compare the Winner solid to, as I never drilled the original Winner. This medium Rg ball with high differential has a much different shape than I am used to. With the strong box finish, the Winner really covers a lot of boards. The more surface I put on the Winner solid, the more it hooks without losing backend reaction. I tried polishing the Winner solid with Storm Step #1. This finish really tamed down the board coverage, but the ball flares so much, it’s hard for me to get it to shape through the pins just the right way. I think I would need to try another Winner solid, with a much different layout, to get this ball to shape the right way for my style of play, on a variety of patterns. The Winner solid looked the best for me on really long patterns when the front of the lane isn’t loaded with oil.

The Winner solid is a very unique ball. For me, it needs a very specific lane pattern to really shine. This ball is a great option for a bowler looking to get some board coverage without paying the high end ball price. Thank you for taking the time to read my review of the Winner solid.
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Re: Winner Solid
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2019, 02:04:23 PM »
My name is Doug Cutler and I am a Storm/Roto Grip staffer and I am left handed and I throw about 15-17 mph.  My first Winner solid drilling is 70 x 3 3/4 x 20. The surface I have on it 2000 grit pad.  What I saw from this ball so far it is a really controllable and smooth and gets thru the heads clean and just does not overreact. I have used this ball on THS on Fresh and also oh patterns that are really flat that you don't want the ball to over hook,and any Medium to Oily Lanes. This ball lets me keep my angles in front of me and this will be a ball I will take to Nationals this year.  If I need a ball with more back end reaction or if the Winner Solid is rolling out then I will go to my Winner Pearl.  I really like my Winner Solid and I really like controllable bowling balls and if you need a ball to take to Nationals, this is a ball you will need. #squadRG #ownit #winnersolid

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Re: Winner Solid
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2019, 03:45:13 PM »
Roto Grip Winner Solid

Layout: 35 x 4 ¾ x 60

Surface: Box

The Winner Solid is a smooth and predictable benchmark ball for medium oil conditions that has much more usability on normal house shots than it's predecessor, the Show Off. It has enough mid lane traction to use on fresh house shot conditions, provided it isn't true heavy oil.  It gets through the heads easy, but has plenty of mid lane and a touch of backend that makes it quite versatile. It is a bit too strong for dry lanes or burnt up heads; the Winner Pearl is much more suited for those conditions.  The Winner Pearl is easily 3-4 feet further down the lane versus the Winner Solid, and is much quicker off the break point.

Overall, the Winner Solid and Winner Pearl are a duo that can cover almost all lane conditions, at an extremely affordable price.

Mike LeViner

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Re: Winner Solid
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2019, 11:04:11 PM »