Post by: ChrispyBrownies on March 18, 2009, 04:15:32 PM
In all honesty, this is the 2nd Roto-grip ball I have ever drilled and thrown. I had a cell pearl, and it was way too over/under.
The Rogue Cell is SOMETHING ELSE. There are NO words to describe this ball. There are no amounts of words to describe this ball.
If you gave me a 15 page essay on this ball, there is no way I could everything I have to say about it on 15 pages.
As long as you get this ball right (im a righty) of the headpin and left of the gutter SOMEWHERE down lane, it got to the pocket. That is sick. BUT, that is only half of what gets me. It f--king carries the world. It never missed the pocket, and when it hit te pocket, it carried 95%-99% of the time.
I personally am a ball whore. I have thrown hundereds of bowling balls. I have never seen anything like this before.
It OUTHOOKS my Virtual Gravity.
It OUTHOOKS my 2nd Dimension.
It OUTHOOKS any ball I have EVER thrown.
And yet it SLIDES FURTHER than my plastic ball.
I know nobody will understand this. It is hands down most VERSATILE ball I have ver thrown. EVER.
A buddy of mine, who averages around 220-230, said "It makes me feel like im cheating..." He threw my ball in his work clothes and sneakers, and shot 279, 290, 233. He then went home and ordered one offline.
After getting it drilled, I came back to the lanes where I used to work and shot 3 games with it. First game starts off with front 7, a few spares here and there, 265 first game. Second game, start off with front 5, a few spare here and there, 229.
After looking and that scores I realized that I was bowling fast, not really consentrating, and just chucking the ball. And I still went 265-229. So I figured I could really do something if I consentrate.
Next game, I slow down, focus and *aim*. I then shoot next 11 in a row, and ring a 10 pin on the last shot...299.
Prolly less than 10 games OOB, and it has already secured the spot as my "go-to" ball.
I have never voted for a ball of the year, and I know it is early 2009. But I think this ball is something every competitive bowler should consider.
If you want something that is more versatile than you could dream of, this is it.
Well like I said, I could go on for more 15 pages about this ball(and I dont even have 10 games on it). This ball is truly something special, something that I have yet to come across in the 10 1/2 years ive bowled.
There have been good balls, great balls, and even amazing balls. If I HAD to describe one word, it would be "perfect".
Here is a pic of mine...
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w280/chrispybrownies/235201.jpg
Roto-Grip, I think you killed yourself. You made a ball that makes it unnessesary to buy any other ball.
Thank you for reading(or skimming),
Chrispy
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Post by: Kid Jete on March 19, 2009, 12:39:04 AM
Post by: HangingBananas on March 19, 2009, 01:04:04 AM
plug it and redrill it cause i need a "go-to" ball badly lol
great shootin btw man...great!
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2. Storm- X-Factor Ace
3. Ebonite- The One Remake
4. Storm- X-Factor VPower
5. Maxim Spare Ball
Post by: nizzo on March 19, 2009, 01:06:19 AM
Feel like getting it off your shoulders and shipping it my way?
Post by: Lower_Level on March 19, 2009, 08:46:07 AM
I only hope that I can get mine figured out a little better so it will become my go-to ball.
Cheers!
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Post by: bluerrpilot on March 19, 2009, 11:06:33 AM
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"USBC is concerned that technology has overtaken player skill in determining success in the sport of bowling"
Post by: Z Jellsey on March 19, 2009, 02:20:02 PM
This site never ceases to amaze me...
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Post by: J_Mac on March 19, 2009, 02:23:33 PM
quote:
He's thrown it on the THS, China, Wall-e-world, and the Mega cliff patterns.
This site never ceases to amaze me...
Then feel free to click this link (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/secure/logoff.asp?return=/home.asp") and never return.
Post by: OddBalls on March 19, 2009, 02:29:32 PM
quote:
He's thrown it on the THS, China, Wall-e-world, and the Mega cliff patterns.
This site never ceases to amaze me...
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In all honesty, I'd have to agree. NO BALL is going to do that without the help of the THS or wall shot (except, of course ANY lane#1 ball)
Sorry, it is what it is.
What make a ball great is it's ability to handle a lot of different lane conditions and still carry.
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Inverted 1 and Dead Flush are my Evil Twins...
Post by: thirtyclean on March 19, 2009, 02:40:29 PM
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Thirtyclean (Well maybe 29, or 28, most of
the times !)
Post by: ChrispyBrownies on March 19, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
I prove my point after reading a few people on here saying the shot is wall o china, etc. Trust me, I know wall o china, and this shot is not it. It is a house shot, but it is considered one of the toughest house shots in KY. For those of you from Ky, Im talking about Lyndon Lanes. Highest ave in the house is 199 or so. High seriest is 846, with less than 5 300's shot there. The shot is absolute hell.
I would be more than happy to invite all the bashers on this thread to come and average better than 170 on the shot. Ill even pay for your games if you average over 170 for 5 games. In my opinion, it playes like a mutilated reverse block. The house is known for being tough. The pattern is very spotty IMO, it plays considerably tight.
I know Daniel Farish, Dug Barker, Joey Cecil, Kevin Kerstein, and a few other local bowlers from KY that HAVE bowled on this shot. I will ask them tonight to speak up on here for me.
Also, for thirtyclean, how is his layed out? Mine is prolly different, and that could be a good reason why. Just saying.
To some of the others, I will get my specs on here tonight for you. Sorry, but Im kinda in a rush to get to league
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Post by: chitown on March 19, 2009, 04:52:01 PM
I'm lucky in that I get a chance to bowl on tough lane patterns every week. I've bought and sold a ton of bowling balls the last 6 seasons. I wouls say about 20 percent of the equipment i've bought, worked really well on the tough patterns while the others were garbage.
I am one of the few that never bought the Cell. Well after seeing the success of the Cell on so many different conditions i've decided to break down and buy the Cell, Rouge Cell and Cell pearl. I'm picking these up in 2 weeks.
What i'm trying to get at is this. The Cell was a proving ball on tough patterns. I don't doubt one min. that the Rouge Cell is going to be another winner on the tough patterns.
CB do you think this ball can take to cover changes really well?
Post by: Z Jellsey on March 19, 2009, 07:55:32 PM
If you got a Rogue Cell to "skid like plastic" then you, your ball driller, or somebody else did something wrong. What I'm confused about is the fact that "it skids like plastic" yet it still "out hooks a Virtual Gravity". That alone is enough for me to NEVER read anything you have to say. Reason being is you are clueless.
You DID bowl on house China, and the lanes ARE dead easy. The only thing you got right in your rant was that the Rogue Cell is a good ball.
Later...
quote:
And I quote..."I know nobody will understand this".
I prove my point after reading a few people on here saying the shot is wall o china, etc. Trust me, I know wall o china, and this shot is not it. It is a house shot, but it is considered one of the toughest house shots in KY. For those of you from Ky, Im talking about Lyndon Lanes. Highest ave in the house is 199 or so. High seriest is 846, with less than 5 300's shot there. The shot is absolute hell.
I would be more than happy to invite all the bashers on this thread to come and average better than 170 on the shot. Ill even pay for your games if you average over 170 for 5 games. In my opinion, it playes like a mutilated reverse block. The house is known for being tough. The pattern is very spotty IMO, it plays considerably tight.
I know Daniel Farish, Dug Barker, Joey Cecil, Kevin Kerstein, and a few other local bowlers from KY that HAVE bowled on this shot. I will ask them tonight to speak up on here for me.
Also, for thirtyclean, how is his layed out? Mine is prolly different, and that could be a good reason why. Just saying.
To some of the others, I will get my specs on here tonight for you. Sorry, but Im kinda in a rush to get to league
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Louisville, KY
State champs- 2002, 2003, and 2008
Ten Pin Lanes Pro Shop
Louisville, KY
Morehead State University Bowling
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www.StormBowling.com
www.RotoGrip.com
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Post by: Z Jellsey on March 19, 2009, 07:56:13 PM
quote:quote:
He's thrown it on the THS, China, Wall-e-world, and the Mega cliff patterns.
This site never ceases to amaze me...
Then feel free to click this link (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/secure/logoff.asp?return=/home.asp") and never return.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on March 19, 2009, 08:04:50 PM
(And Jellsey, I see that you still act like a complete and total prick whenever you call someone out -- you DO know you can be civil and still get your point across, right?)
Post by: on March 19, 2009, 08:05:12 PM
Post by: Gunny on March 19, 2009, 08:07:53 PM
There are some tough houses out there.
Post by: Z Jellsey on March 19, 2009, 08:08:32 PM
I'm not in here to make friends and be everybody's buddy. When I see something ridiculous I will point it out. I don't really post often, mostly read. I will however post when I see something as ridiculous as this.
Look at my first post in the topic, I don't believe it was out of line.
The Prick
Post by: Dan Belcher on March 19, 2009, 08:21:05 PM
And for the record, I'm not disagreeing that Chris grossly exaggerated when talking about this ball, but I also know he's not just putting up huge numbers on a super duper easy house shot.
Post by: Z Jellsey on March 19, 2009, 08:31:34 PM
On a side note, I have thrown 2 different Rogue's and I will agree with him saying it's a very good versatile ball. I don't see it going nearly as long as he thought, but definitely cleaner through the front than the solid.
Post by: Dan Belcher on March 19, 2009, 08:42:19 PM
quote:Serenity now!! (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouqx7YX4tPU")
I'll work on mellowing out. It is very hard for me to read a lot of the stuff I read on here, and every now and then I can't refrain from blasting. I'm a work in progress.
quote:Makes sense. Still haven't seen a Rogue Cell in person here yet, but unless his spare ball is at 180 grit, that would definately be the case.
On a side note, I have thrown 2 different Rogue's and I will agree with him saying it's a very good versatile ball. I don't see it going nearly as long as he thought, but definitely cleaner through the front than the solid.
Post by: ChrispyBrownies on March 20, 2009, 01:26:15 AM
Maybe by chance you know Jack McCarthy, he owns lyndon and is a very close friend and coach of mine. He coached me for 2 or 3 years at Trinity, and even though he is now at UofL, I still see him most of the time when I head down to lyndon or see him and his sons John and Joey in league or at tournys.
I guess if somebody else was standing behind my back watching me bowl that night, they COULD say differently, I understand that by you saying "I am exaggerating". When I bowled, it just seemed like the entire lane opened up for me. Like I said below, I couldnt miss. Out of the 3 games, I missed the pocket 2-3 times, and that was my fault for pulling it. That is why I said, it seemed as though as long you got the ball downlane and right of the head pin, it got back. And it carried.
Like I said, some people wont believe, and the truth is, I can barely believe it myself. As I said, I have never thrown a ball like this before. There is just somethiing special about it. Its very hard to explain.
And also, for some other reference, I went and subbed in a league tonight, it was a scholarship league on the Scorpion pattern. I am NOT saying this pattern is tough or easy, I am just saying it as I played it/saw it. I was playing around 4-7, making sure I didnt let it get inside. If you got it out, and not out too late, it would grab and come back with ease. Pulling it was a no-no, as there was not a lot of help inside. I started around 4/5 keeping it mostly straight, and slowely moved my feet left as it started to break down. I ended up my last game playing 7 out to about 2/3, making sure not to get it out late. I went 242, 219, 268. The ball still seemed to be very versatile, especially not hooking up early. There were a few shot that I thought were gonna be through the face and they ended up being dead flush. The main key that I found out early was to make sure to come up the back of the ball more than around it.
As carry went, I think I have found out this ball sends messengers everynow and then. For the most part(im a righty), in stead of a messenger, the 6 pin seems to like to "seem" to go flat, and then grab the 10 pin from out of the gutter.
I do believe this ball is something that should be desired my most.
This is prolly gonna be the first ball I will try and take video of, only to show people from my perspective.
Chitown, to be honest, Im not sure about surface changes. I mean I know polishing the ball will give it more length and backend, but as far as mine goes, it seems to belt out more backend when it needs to and soften up when it needs to. I guess if you are having troubles with it checking up early, I would suggest putting some polish on it. The only thing I think would be a problem would trying to controls the monster backend the ball would have.
Chrispy
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Louisville, KY
State champs- 2002, 2003, and 2008
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Louisville, KY
Morehead State University Bowling
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Edited on 3/20/2009 1:27 AM
Post by: Jay on March 20, 2009, 03:00:36 AM
Post by: ChrispyBrownies on March 20, 2009, 03:34:24 AM
quote:
So on that Scorpion pattern, it sounds like if you missed in a little it would shoot passed the breakpoint? That's the way I understand it, since you said said "making sure not to get it out late." I have a hard time picturing how you could get it out to the dsired breakpoint late unless you drifted left or something. Either way it sounds like it was a good match for that line and how you were rolling it. On the Scorpion I've bowled on, that line won't hold, then against I was coming around the ball.
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Trinity High School "A" Bowling Team
Louisville, KY
State champs- 2002, 2003, and 2008
Ten Pin Lanes Pro Shop
Louisville, KY
Morehead State University Bowling
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www.StormBowling.com
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Post by: tizzle on March 20, 2009, 06:43:14 PM
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag...some magic, some hot sauce, and a saw.. how can I loose....Dynamo and Liberator on the way.....
....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)
Post by: nextbowler on March 20, 2009, 07:48:49 PM
Post by: ChrispyBrownies on March 21, 2009, 11:34:08 PM
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Big deal. So you like a ball. That's a reason for everyone to "must read"?
Im sorry, I guess I didnt bold the fact that it is THE MOST VERSATILE BALL I HAVE EVER THROWN. EVER. but yes I do like it, thank you for reading that.
Also, for all the other people investing in a Rogue Cell, I rolled another 299 tonight on a fairly easy THS, smashed a dam 9 pin. and followed it with a 220 and a 279 for a 798 series.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w280/chrispybrownies/235906.jpg
Absolutely great ball.
Chrispy
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Trinity High School "A" Bowling Team
Louisville, KY
State champs- 2002, 2003, and 2008
Ten Pin Lanes Pro Shop
Louisville, KY
Morehead State University Bowling
Proudly Sponsored by Storm Bowling Products
www.StormBowling.com
www.RotoGrip.com
Edited on 3/22/2009 0:02 AM
Post by: Gunny on March 22, 2009, 10:36:00 AM
going to go pin high, 5 1/2 x 4.
Post by: pjr300 on March 22, 2009, 01:27:05 PM
I hear too many good things about this ball.... gotta get one!
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Post by: ChrispyBrownies on March 22, 2009, 02:21:40 PM
quote:
I hear too many good things about this ball.... gotta get one!
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Louisville, KY
State champs- 2002, 2003, and 2008
Ten Pin Lanes Pro Shop
Louisville, KY
Morehead State University Bowling
Proudly Sponsored by Storm Bowling Products
www.StormBowling.com
www.RotoGrip.com
www.moreheadstate.edu/bowling
Post by: JoshY on March 22, 2009, 02:41:58 PM
Eugene McCune, Dave Traber, Brian Kretzer, Danny Wiseman, Brian Leclair were all throwing one.
Brian Leclair said it was the best ball on the planet.
That being said my Rising SE gets just as much length but turns the corner harder at least for me.
Still a great ball though. Thanks for the input.
Post by: pjr300 on March 22, 2009, 07:34:22 PM
Josh, someone told me that the Rising weight block had similarities to a No Mercy.... have you heard that before? is there any truth in that?
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