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Title: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 13, 2008, 01:26:21 AM: Just wondering if we were going to see a Mystic replacement with the updated coverstock. I mean a pearl particle low RG symmetric core.

I keep resurfacing mine and waiting...
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Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: TheDude on December 13, 2008, 09:32:42 AM: Are we ever going to see a saturn replacement?? Im waiting on that and the mystic replacement really.
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Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: greenefam on December 13, 2008, 12:20:47 PM: quote:
Are we ever going to see a saturn replacement??

It's called Pluto.

Most of the ball manufacturers are moving away from particle balls. The only particle in the Storm / Roto line is the original Shift. They may make an occasional pearl particle but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: pro shop guy on December 13, 2008, 12:45:21 PM: I sure would hope its not called Pluto.....The Mystic is by far one of the top 5 best pearl particles. Pluto is a good ball, butnot in the same realm as the Mystic.
Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: Joe Jr on December 13, 2008, 12:54:18 PM: quote:
I sure would hope its not called Pluto.....The Mystic is by far one of the top 5 best pearl particles. Pluto is a good ball, butnot in the same realm as the Mystic.

Pluto is the replacement for SATURN.
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Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: charlest on December 13, 2008, 02:46:00 PM: quote:
I too am hoping for a Saturn and Mystic replacement...a good mix would be another Venus type ball.
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Cell Pearl x2!
Pluto
Grand Illusion
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I believe the Pluto is the replacement for the Saturn.
Same coverstock with the core turned upside down, like the Neptune replaces the Mercury. I believe ...
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Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: greenefam on December 13, 2008, 03:03:29 PM: I put 'It's called Pluto' right after the quote asking for a Saturn replacement. I guess I wasn't clear enough for this forum.

Roto has basically replaced last year's lineup with the exception of their particle balls. These are not EXACT - but basically the lineup changes look like this:

Epic Odyssey - replaced by - Cell
Epic Saga - replaced by - Cell Pearl
Horizon Solid - replaced by - Grand Illusion (polished, but a solid with same core)
Horizon - replaced by - Illusion
Saturn - replaced by - Pluto
Mercury - replaced by - Neptune

That leaves Epic Quest, Mystic, and Venus...

Edited on 12/13/2008 4:11 PM
Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: MTD300 on December 13, 2008, 03:08:34 PM: The Mystic was a fantastic ball, since my customers have bought Cell/Pearls they have not even touched there Mystics.
Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: DP3 on December 13, 2008, 03:41:45 PM: Only thing similar about the Pluto and Saturn is the coverstock name. I'm 99.5% sure the cover formulation is different and the Pluto's cover is much stronger in response to friction. Saturn has an earlier & weaker roll than a Pluto with more diff to blend wet/dry alot better. Anyone that has thrown a Pluto can tell you how pronounced and strong it is down lane. The Saturn is nowhere close to the Pluto unless you're just talking price range.

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Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: TheDude on December 13, 2008, 06:10:22 PM: The Saturn and pluto are like night and day. anyone that has thrown both will tell you in an second.
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LaSalle, Quebec
Located inside Pont Mercier Lanes.
Edmonton, Alberta.
Located inside Ed's Rec Room.(WEST ED MALL)
King Of Roto-Grip In Canada.
Keep them honest!

www.juniorsproshop.com now open serving the world.
Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: A_P_K on December 14, 2008, 11:51:10 AM: I disagree I sold my Saturn because it was too close in reaction shape to my Pluto.
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Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: jjyokomizo on December 16, 2008, 02:43:42 PM: I would love to see another ball like the Mystic. I have a Cell and have shot a few nice games with it but when I'm struggling, I seem to always go back to my Mystic or RSP.

I have thought about getting a Cell Pearl or GI but I keep waiting to see if a Particle Pearl will come out before I pull the tigger on my next ball.
Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: TheDude on December 16, 2008, 03:04:35 PM: Anyone get the storm christmas card? Check out the penmanship on roger and matt! those are some manly men right there.!! lol
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Timothy @Juniors Pro-Shops
LaSalle, Quebec
Located inside Pont Mercier Lanes.
Edmonton, Alberta.
Located inside Ed's Rec Room.(WEST ED MALL)
King Of Roto-Grip In Canada.
Keep them honest!

www.juniorsproshop.com now open serving the world.
Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: mttmar1975 on December 17, 2008, 08:44:26 AM: Tim,
I resemble that remark!

Merry Christmas!

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Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 26, 2008, 10:40:13 AM: quote:
I would love to see another ball like the Mystic. I have a Cell and have shot a few nice games with it but when I'm struggling, I seem to always go back to my Mystic or RSP.

I have thought about getting a Cell Pearl or GI but I keep waiting to see if a Particle Pearl will come out before I pull the tigger on my next ball.

Yeah that's the same with me. I have a Cell also but I use my Mystic probably 70% of the time now and it works in different shifts in different houses and on PBA shots. I guess I could get a Cell Pearl but I haven't had as much luck with pearls. I am not sure how I would setup the layout on a Cell Pearl to get exactly what I have in the Mystic. Plus, why would I want to get a completely different type of core and coverstock when the Mystic is perfect? Seems like a straightforward ball type but they must be shying away from the particle stuff now...

I heard particle pearls don't sell but I wonder why. I doubt I am throwing differently than most bowlers so I don't know what's not to like.
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Edited on 12/26/2008 11:43 AM
Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: LuckyLefty on December 26, 2008, 10:58:49 AM: I believe the rg was a lot lower and the diff a lot higher on the Mystic Pearl than the Pluto.

Very different reaction shapes I believe. I have seen the Mystic and I think the reaction of the Storm

Pyro (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=11&BallID=714") was very similar!

Also even though because of it's Assymetry one could create dramatically sharper breakpoints the Awesome Revs from Morich was very similar. It looks like the manufacturers are trying to force us to these porous reactives instead of particles.

But I still love a bunch of particles. I loved the look of this Mystic on the lanes and still am a fan of my Icon, Icon2, Awesome revs, and Wow Pearl.

The Wow Pearl however disappears on carrydown but I believe that is because of the large particles on the shell.

You are right the Mystic has no replacement in any lineup. Much like I feel about my Awesome Revs!

I think the secret is to put a little particle in and not tell people. I just remembered a ball like that the other day.....but can't remember it now(update....oh yeah the Blue Vibe link!
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Particles like wristbraces, christians, and straight people are just not politically correct!

Especially on this website!

REgards,

Luckylefty

Edited on 12/26/2008 12:29 PM (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=223676&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5"
Blue Vibe post [/url)
Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: TheDude on December 27, 2008, 11:00:31 AM: Had both the pyro and mystic and the pyro is alot more hockey stick shaped. The mystic is just ultra smooth.
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Timothy @Juniors Pro-Shops
LaSalle, Quebec
Located inside Pont Mercier Lanes.
Edmonton, Alberta.
Located inside Ed's Rec Room.(WEST ED MALL)
King Of Roto-Grip In Canada.
Keep them honest!

www.juniorsproshop.com now open serving the world.
Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: T Brockette on December 27, 2008, 11:06:01 AM: Still using my Mystic 100% of the time! Mystic and Sling Blade, two best balls ever....
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Title: Re: Are we ever going to see a Mystic replacement?
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on December 27, 2008, 02:54:35 PM: Here is this one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mystic-Bowling-Ball-16-lbs-NIB_W0QQitemZ280297413098QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBowling?hash=item280297413098&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
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