Post by: jeorj on March 16, 2008, 03:20:45 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on March 16, 2008, 11:22:38 AM
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Post by: Hogsharley on March 16, 2008, 11:22:38 AM
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Post by: Juggernaut on March 16, 2008, 11:30:02 AM
ALL ( yes, I said ALL) reactive balls lose reaction over time. It is part of the design of these pieces to absorb lane conditioner.
Some will last longer than others, but they ALL do the same thing.
If his cell is dying, did he do proper maintenance on it? These type balls need to be cleaned EVERY time you use them. And it probbly wouldn't hurt to have the oil extracted about every 40-50 games or so.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on March 16, 2008, 11:56:34 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on March 16, 2008, 12:01:56 PM
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"Not again" and "popcorn anyone" .. don't know how to interpret these remarks. Is this and indication that this has happened before? Or is it the poster has made these claims before? Not sure what you guys are trying to communicate!
For me it's NOT about the poster....Joe. How many times do we see the same topics? Is the ball being cleasned religiously? Is the ball being used on the wrong condition? If a Groove is flying I would not try to use a Cell on that condition. JMO.
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Post by: Juggernaut on March 16, 2008, 12:01:57 PM
Yes, mine is a whimsical reference to the fact that "ball death" has been covered here so many times that it is starting to be an almost running joke type thing.
After the intended pun, I also offered information about "ball death" as has been related before. Now, I was just waiting for a reply from the poster with more detailed info as to the cleaning regimen his friend has been using before offering any "concrete" suggestions.
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Post by: J_Mac on March 16, 2008, 12:07:18 PM
While synthetic lanes don't create as visible of a track on a ball as wood normally does, it doesn't mean that they aren't changing the surface texture of the ball. Surface and coverstock being almost 2/3 of the ball's reaction potential.
The Cell is touted as having a cover that doesn't soak up oil as fast as others on the market, so I doubt it has seen enough use already to warrant an oil removal process, unless of course this individual has absolutely no ball maintenance skills.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on March 16, 2008, 12:08:08 PM
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Post by: twister on March 16, 2008, 04:03:26 PM
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Post by: T_Bone on March 16, 2008, 09:09:59 PM
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Thats what you get for buying Roto Puff
Deadmoney,
I was thinking of buying my first Roto grip. I was going to get a Cell. Should I stay away from this brand? What bad experiences did you have with this company? Any info would greatly be appreciated.
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Post by: lsf_21 on March 16, 2008, 10:12:23 PM
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Thats what you get for buying Roto Puff
Deadmoney,
I was thinking of buying my first Roto grip. I was going to get a Cell. Should I stay away from this brand? What bad experiences did you have with this company? Any info would greatly be appreciated.
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go with the cell you wont be dissapointed
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Post by: Powermachine- on March 16, 2008, 10:15:37 PM
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Post by: arashi300 on March 16, 2008, 11:49:32 PM
Post by: River700 on March 16, 2008, 11:51:21 PM
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Post by: rhbowling07 on March 17, 2008, 12:36:59 AM
Post by: BackToBasics on March 17, 2008, 07:40:13 AM
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All reactive balls need Care to retain Lane Readability, the Cell is more porus than most balls so it's going to absorb more oil @ a Faster rate to produce more hook & hit, the Cell absorbs oil faster so as a Cell owner,
I believe one of the design features of the new Cell cover is that it doesn't absorb oil as fast which increases coverstock longevity. Something about the matrix of the coverstock and fiber length. I don't know the oil absorption rate compared to other covers. Maybe Roger could expand more.
I have 2 Cells and have not seen any drop in performance although it's probably too early (2 months) to really notice. However, mine had not been touched except this past weekend when I needed more push and polished both. I'll just hit them fresh with 2000 again.
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Post by: shelley on March 17, 2008, 07:50:02 AM
SH
Post by: scotts33 on March 17, 2008, 07:53:04 AM
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For me it's NOT about the poster....Joe. How many times do we see the same topics? Is the ball being cleasned religiously? Is the ball being used on the wrong condition? If a Groove is flying I would not try to use a Cell on that condition. JMO.
That's what I said shelley.
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Post by: Big Jake on March 17, 2008, 07:55:49 AM
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Anyone else catch that he's throwing a Groove 15-to-5 but the Cell is barely moving? Those two balls are not even close in oil-handling. I know the original poster said this is not a "lane thing" but if you're using a Groove successfully, there can't possibly be enough oil for the Cell.
BINGO!!
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Post by: Kid Jete on March 17, 2008, 08:05:24 AM
Post by: directdrill on March 17, 2008, 09:48:18 AM
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Thats what you get for buying Roto Puff
Go back to your Lane #1 forum and discuss the importance of static weights, ad nauseum.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on March 17, 2008, 12:17:10 PM
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Thats what you get for buying Roto Puff
DURR!
Anyway, I am with shelley and scotts33 on this one. Not knowing the exact situation of course, but it's not like a lot of information has been given in the first place. Everyone else has had their Cells since they came out and a month after you didn't see all these threads about them all dying.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on March 17, 2008, 12:28:28 PM
Matchups...
Ball speed. Axis rotation. Revolutions. Ball specs. Coverstock. Oil volume. Backends. Carrydown.
Try taking a couple of these things into consideration when purchasing a bowling ball. Don't just buy a ball 'cause the rest of the world is putting up phone numbers. These magical orbs aren't "game in a box" for everyone that buys one.
Just a thought.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on March 17, 2008, 12:31:33 PM
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Matchups...
Ball speed. Axis rotation. Revolutions. Ball specs. Coverstock. Oil volume. Backends. Carrydown.
What is this crazy talk in which you speak?
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Post by: mainzer on March 17, 2008, 12:57:34 PM
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Post by: Jesse James on March 17, 2008, 03:09:54 PM
I implored him to clean his equipment.... for weeks. After agonizing thru watching his frustration.....I offered to clean his ball for him!
It took 3 good hot water baths to clean all that greasy, slimy oil out of his coverstock! Took his surface down just a bit to get some cleaner, and more unused surface showing, and then finished with regular ball cleaner and just a very lite polish.
His reaction is definitely not 100% oob, but it's a heckuva a lot better than what he was getting. I'd dare say, he's getting 75%-80% of the reaction he was getting when he first bought the ball. This Dude NEVER cleaned his equipment!
Nuff said! Ball maintenance is one of the most important factors of good ball reaction!
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Post by: toomanytenpins on March 17, 2008, 09:19:08 PM
So before night league i soaked it and i was shocked the amount of oil that came out of it ,had to soak it twice and i still didnt get it all out. When i bowled with it in the morning it was a toss up between it and my odyssey playing pretty much the same line .After i soaked it it was a monstor i couldnt control. It read the shot way too early and i couldnt keep it right of the head pin. My odyssey was barely getting back to the pocket. I honestly had a bad night ,but my point is that it didnt die and it probably wont if you keep it clean. Mine is at 1000 grit and last night i didnt have enough speed for it at all. So if you think its dead ,you know how sometimes you get around people that smell so bad they smell dead,all they need is a bath ,and the cell is no different.Get the oil out and unleash the beast. They should have named it the virus ,because i declare more and more people are getting it.
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Post by: scotts33 on March 17, 2008, 11:10:42 PM
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They should have named it the virus ,because i declare more and more people are getting it.
Already been done. http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=9&BallID=205
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Post by: Rockbowler on March 18, 2008, 01:26:44 AM
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if you can deal with the added maintenence, the Cell is a Great ball but if you can't care for it this way, look into a Lane Masters/Legends or Visionary as they don't seem to need that much care but you may be giving-up some carry by using them over the Roto Cell!
Really? I just got a Cell and it is a good ball but how can you say that you may be giving up carry by using Lanemasters? I bought 9 Lanemasters balls in a span of 7 months (09/07 through the present) and I am loving it. These are the best carrying balls in my experience and I have thrown and own a lot of balls. I have a Conquerer and a Terminator (although both are polished particle balls) that are superior to the Cell on the same condition (medium-heavy oil), in my experience. And since I have Lanemasters balls, I can refute your statement albeit your statement was "you may be giving up some carry". I am not sure if you have Lanemasters balls but if not, try them. You may be surprise as you get more carry with these balls and there is practically no ball death due to their durable coverstock unlike other balls that I have used from other manufacturers..
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Post by: jeorj on March 19, 2008, 03:49:38 PM
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Just ordered my first Roto Grip, and yes, it's a Cell. Now I read this. I guess it was expected for some to post that it died and to never hear from them again...
Excuse me for having a job and just remembering I started this post.
Yes he cleans it. and It does feel nasty. Compared to mine it feels "gummy".
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Post by: jeorj on March 19, 2008, 04:00:31 PM
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If a power Groove is hooking I wouldn't even dream of touching a Cell you would have to be nuts. Tell your friend to clean it give it a hot water bath for about 20-25 minutes. but in all seriousness if the Groove is working the Cell shouldn't leave the bag unless it has some serious polish and a drill pattern to make it go long
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yea but if you go out one night and your cell is going 15 to 5 then 2 weeks later it wont turn up 20 to 15. First ball out of your bag wont turn why would you go to a weaker ball?
Thaks for the advice though. I do remember that one Saturday night recently they had a flood of oil out. It might have just soaked up alot extra that night.
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Post by: jeorj on March 19, 2008, 04:03:17 PM
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Joe Falco,
Yes, mine is a whimsical reference to the fact that "ball death" has been covered here so many times that it is starting to be an almost running joke type thing.
After the intended pun, I also offered information about "ball death" as has been related before. Now, I was just waiting for a reply from the poster with more detailed info as to the cleaning regimen his friend has been using before offering any "concrete" suggestions.
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Sorry, I have never seen a ball lose reaction that soon. We have a dry to medium shot most of the year down here in Savannah.
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Post by: jeorj on March 21, 2008, 10:30:27 AM
I just wanted to know if there had been any issues with the ball, as all I seem to see here are rave reviews. I personally Like mine, it turns hard as long I can get it out. But, we have been cursed with a reverse block lately, so getting it out can be a problem in more ways than one.
Thanks Scott33 and River700 for your very informational and productive posts.
Hogsharley, yes.
Juggernaut, we understand about absorption, but it seemed a little too soon with the low volume of oil we usually roll on.
Thanks for the back up J Mac and Achappy.
This area does not have a chamber, thanks.
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Post by: ccrider on March 21, 2008, 11:57:42 AM
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Post by: toomanytenpins on March 21, 2008, 06:29:31 PM
I have a friend who has a resurgence.I let him throw my cell the other day, he is thinking about buying a new ball.The ball was striking so much i had to take it ,Physically pry it from his hand.He thin picked up his resurgence and was totally lost .It was like night and day. Why pay 240 for a lane 1 when the ball you need only cost 123 or so .treat it right do some research before you drill it and dont go crazy when you select a set up ,less os more with this ball.
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Post by: jeorj on March 21, 2008, 10:07:06 PM
I am not trying to put down the ball, his may just be defective or he dropped it wrong or something. I love mine on med conditions. His little bro cant push his out far enough it is so strong.
Anyway, he bought a redzone tonight and it moved really well for him, payed for itself in one night.
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