Author Topic: defiant??? will it really live up to the talk that it is getting>> (Read 8564 times)

ithinkican · « **on:** January 03, 2012, 02:37:38 PM »

i am a roto grip and storm fan. this ball is gettin the same level of talk about it as that nano pearl did. i bought the nano pearl and i was not that impressed with it. i like the arcs and design of the core and coverstock of the defiant and i hope it is better than the cell like some say it will be. but come on. is all this talk really necessary? when not too many people have even seen the balls real motion in person yet. all we see on video reviews, is when the ball strikes. i mean come on, i throw nearly 20-25 strikes everytime i bowl league

Big Jake · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2012, 11:34:44 AM »

The reviews so far is that the Defiant is a very strong solid ball and some say a little stronger than the VG Nano with that being said I just got and threw the Roto-Grip THEORY and wow!! one of the strongest balls I ever threw

for me I really would wonder why one would need something stonger than that...just saying!

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Metal_rules · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2012, 11:55:32 AM »

I have talked to a few reliable sources, and i have herd nothing but good stuff. the bottom line is we will see on the 10th. at least i will for sure, I'm picking mine up that night.

814 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2012, 12:48:21 PM »

Yep.

I cant wait for the 10th. Ball is awesome and looks good doing what it does.

Edited by 814 on 1/4/2012 at 1:49 PM

mediumrevs15 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2012, 09:15:59 PM »

Im not a staff member but bought a nib defiant early from a member on here. Just went 256-268-300 for 824 in league tonight.

Ball is drilled with pin over ring and cg, mb kicked out a tad.

I also have nano and can never get past the first game with it as it becomes to strong.
The defiant does not burn the oil line nearly as fast as the nano.

I moved left a total of 3 boards all night.

230-n-up-or-bust · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2012, 09:35:10 PM »

IMHO, the Defiant is a Virtual Gravity Nano without the smell, maintenance, energy expulsion, or disappointment. Does this mean it's a sure thing for you or would a Nano be/have been a better choice? I really don't know if anyone but you can answer that question. I didn't throw 800 like ^^^^ tonight but shot 695 with five 9-pins and an eight pin. I've got nine games on mine now and have done absolutely NOTHING to the coverstock. Heck, I think I've only wiped the damned ball two or three times and moved remarkably few boards throughout a set. For me, at least, this ball is everything it's been advertised to be.

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ithinkican · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2012, 12:24:22 AM »

i wasnt that impressed with the nano or nano pearl on house shots. they were something else on sport shots though. the victory road and the infinite theory were my favorite storm and roto grip balls produced last year. . i really want to try the defiant but i think i am going to hold off because my mission, cell, and three virtual energys are more than enough for medium to heavy oil patterns.

pro shop guy · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2012, 06:08:30 AM »

I think whats nicest about the Defiant is that its smoother through the heads (in comparison with others in its class) and has even stronger off the dry....Just a VERY nice rolling ball for heavy oil.

Russell · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2012, 07:11:37 AM »

Thank god they have finally come out with a ball that hooks....I mean it's been 20 years since reactive balls came out and the ball companies have just forgot to make a ball that hooks. It's just sad to think that I've had to play the lane without being in front of the ball return in league for all of these years. Now bowlers can finally start striking and bring some integrity back to this game. [/sarcasm]

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230-n-up-or-bust · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2012, 08:56:40 AM »

lol@Russell.

I know where you're coming from, Russell, and I'm not saying there haven't been pieces similar to this ball in the past that would have been similar to the Defiant. However, we see a LOT of transition in our old wooden house shot. If you dare stay right of it, you'll need a LOT of speed to keep the ball on line. That will, usually, dramatically diminish carry for me as the night progresses. Oh, sure, migrate left is the answer but now your dancing across the burnt up track areas with 6-3 types of adjustments to get a better look. I'm able to stay left, well left, of everyone else from the start. That's not a bad thing for my game. I don't bank it off the cushion outside of five, I'm trying to keep the ball just to the right of the oil line (6-8) where the pattern tapers on the outside. We've got city tournament this weekend and they've put out the USBC Blue shot. I'm looking forward to seeing how it does with this condition for, as we all know, hook is NOT a problem on old wood.

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230-n-up-or-bust · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2012, 09:00:58 AM »

^^^^^^ If I sounded dangerously like a lefty and complained about transition, I, humbly, apologize! ^^^^^^^

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ithinkican · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2012, 09:33:42 AM »

i throw 16-17.5 mph with a rather high rev rate and average 221+ on all 3 leagues that i bowl. i know this ball will hook off the wall for me. but so what i will adjust and figure something out but anyways the only thing that gets me is how they came out with a completely new level of bowling ball. the royal line!!!!! i kinda think it just a way to make there "high technological bowlin balls" more expensive like the storm, hammer, columbia, and ebonite has been doing. i mean think about it. the virtual gravity came out and the prices jumped to 140.00, then the mission came out and it jumped to 150.00 then the nano came out and it jumped to 160. and then the taboo pearl came out and it jumped to 165. now roto grip is stepping into the field just like the other companies are doing. i think money is what it all falls down to.......

Big Jake · « **Reply #12 on:** January 13, 2012, 08:19:22 AM »

Is there that much of a difference between the Theory and the Defiant?? the Theory is a lot of ball...just saying

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Jorge300 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 13, 2012, 09:41:09 AM »

I can't help with this, sorry. But I did see someone throw the Defiant last night on Viper. He was easily 4-5 boards inside of everyone and crushing racks. In one tenth frame he brought our his Critical Theory, moved 4 boards right and proceeded to miss the headpin to the right. So hopefully that helps a little. I was very impressed with this ball.

Big Jake wrote on 1/13/2012 9:19 AM:
Is there that much of a difference between the Theory and the Defiant?? the Theory is a lot of ball...just saying

Summer arsenal: Now throwing ROTO-GRIP

Jorge300

Pat Patterson · « **Reply #14 on:** January 13, 2012, 11:03:12 AM »

It depends on who's throwing it and on what pattern they're using it on. In Brian Kretzer's hands on last sundays telecast on the Shark Pattern, it looked like a dud. IMHO........................

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