Post by: revTrex on December 05, 2006, 05:59:26 AM
Seems to me that Roto has two new balls coming out:
Epic Odyssey -- Epic Replacement
Neptune -- Mercury Replacement
Any info on the Odyssey??? I could be quite interested!
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Post by: revTrex on December 05, 2006, 02:03:48 PM
Epic Odyssey (Stroker/Tweener/Cranker)
Length 5/6/5
Backend 17/18/19
Neptune
Length 14/13/15
Backend 10/11/12
Any news on when they are to be released?
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Post by: revTrex on December 05, 2006, 02:16:07 PM
Epic Odyssey has the Solid Ultimate Vision cover, the same as on the Epic. My guess is a core switch?
Neptune has Pearl Sure Grip II -- again, I have to assume a core switch?
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Post by: Joe Jr on December 05, 2006, 02:19:37 PM
http://rotogrip.com/pdf/crazy_8s/us/neptune_8s_us.pdf
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Post by: bgh on December 05, 2006, 02:26:45 PM
Looks like they tweaked the core a bit as compared to the Mercury. Same RG #'s but Orbiter II with less differential (neptune) vs Orbiter I (mercury) . The multi blocks look a bit different in the Orbiter II? The numbers look like we should see a bit less flare with the Neptune than the Mercury planet.
Edited on 12/5/2006 3:29 PM
Post by: revTrex on December 05, 2006, 02:41:46 PM
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Post by: charlest on December 05, 2006, 03:00:58 PM
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Neptune:
http://rotogrip.com/pdf/crazy_8s/us/neptune_8s_us.pdf
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Looks like the Mercury, same coverstock, same core shape, same RG, but with a lower RG Diff, more like the original Sonic-X.
Kind of a minor difference for a whole new ball?
Why not just drill the Mercury with a weaker pin position?
I don't understand why a new ball?
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Post by: scotts33 on December 05, 2006, 03:22:23 PM
Steve any comments? Pay off Hank to get the ball named after your center?
Here's the link to Steve's pro shop and the bowling center.
http://odysseyfuncenter.2gobowl.com/?page=ELITE_Pro_Shop
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Post by: DP3 on December 05, 2006, 03:34:18 PM
quote:quote:
Neptune:
http://rotogrip.com/pdf/crazy_8s/us/neptune_8s_us.pdf
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Looks like the Mercury, same coverstock, same core shape, same RG, but with a lower RG Diff, more like the original Sonic-X.
Kind of a minor difference for a whole new ball?
Why not just drill the Mercury with a weaker pin position?
I don't understand why a new ball?
Roto Grip is using an all new formula on their resin's cover base. It is much stronger in oil(even though the cover has the same name). I'd expect this to be flippier than the Mercury out of the dry, but still be a step down from the Venus and Saturn.
Post by: qstick777 on December 05, 2006, 03:45:13 PM
How much longer before they release Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, and Pluto?
Will Uranus be a high flare? You know everybody will be on here talking about the rings around Uranus.
Okay, bad joke. But seriously, do you think they will finish the entire solar system?
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Post by: kmanestor22 on December 05, 2006, 03:47:38 PM
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Interesting that RotoGrip named this new ball Odyssey since Steve Richter on RotoGrip's amateur staff runs a center in Sheboygan Falls, WI named Odyssey Lanes.
Steve any comments? Pay off Hank to get the ball named after your center?
Here's the link to Steve's pro shop and the bowling center.
http://odysseyfuncenter.2gobowl.com/?page=ELITE_Pro_Shop
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"The Odyssey" is an epic written by Homer I believe. That is how they got the name. Naming the next one Iliad will be a stretch.
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Post by: Maelstrom on December 05, 2006, 10:20:03 PM
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Okay, so we have Mercury, Venus, Saturn, and Neptune.
How much longer before they release Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, and Pluto?
Will Uranus be a high flare? You know everybody will be on here talking about the rings around Uranus.
Okay, bad joke. But seriously, do you think they will finish the entire solar system
Earth is actually an overseas ball they released a few months ago. It's a plastic 3-peice, black and blue. Pluto isn't a planet anymore either
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Post by: 302efi on December 05, 2006, 10:53:52 PM
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Post by: Steve Richter on December 06, 2006, 07:04:21 AM
There are questions here about the slight difference in the Neptune as a brand new release. Roto fans know that Hank and Roger wouldn't build a ball to put it in the line up if it didn't meet one of two criteria:
1) It fills a hole in the line-up
2) Customers/fan base are asking for a reaction they don't have in the arsenal.
Trust Hank as you have with other releases that this will be different. Keep in mind, the Mercury has been out 18 months and is due to come out of the line-up based on their predictable schedule. I personally would like to see a ball straighter than the Mercury for when they get really dry to stay more right on the lane as long as possible. Merc still made me open up the front of the lane a little too much.
If I remember right, these are numbers similar to the Red Hot Flames of the late 90's - but should have much better hit with the Orbiter core.
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Post by: Hank B on December 06, 2006, 08:51:02 AM
First of all the Neptune is designed to be a little weaker than the Mercury. It has less differential, and the coverstock has been tweaked a little bit. Many of the staff members were asking for something in the planet series that was closer to the original Sonic X and that was my intention in the design. By inverting the weight block and bringing the larger flip block the pin side of the ball we are adding more length due to mass displacement away from the equator, this will definitely create a different motion than the Mercury. Our tests indicate that even though it has a very low differential it still reads the mid-lane better and does not over skid in oil like many of the competitors balls with those same numbers. It is due to the shape of the weight block and the relation of mass around the midline or equaotr of the bowling ball.
As for the Epic Odyssey, we were looking to also fill a gap in the line of our Epic Series balls. Many of you like the motion of the Epic Battle and also the Epic Saga, but the gap between those reactions is quite large. The original Epic is close, but due to its higher RG it has the tendency to skid a little to far in the pattern and get behind the pocket. That's why I decided to use the the Maximus II core that we use in the Battle and the Saga. With its lower RG and strong asymmetry it will definitely be one of the strongest most versatile asymmetrical balls made to date. We are also using a new finish on this ball by going to an abralon only finish which will be new for us.
Hope this helps to clear up any confusion and thanks again for all the support that you all have given the Roto Grip brand over the years.
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Post by: bgh on December 06, 2006, 11:23:52 AM
Appreciate you taking the time to post to the board on this topic. (Very Informative)
Love the concepts for both the Planet Neptune and Epic Odyssey.
(they are high up on my hit/want buying list)
I did have one question. The Odyssey, is it going to be a pearl, particle pearl or a solid coverstock? Didn't see you mention it in the post, if you did, sorry I didn't catch it. I seem to read in your words that you are inferring solid coverstock like the original Epic, but you did mention in between the Battle (particle) and Saga (1 part solid - 2 parts pearl mixture) - which might mean particle pearl? But I do see the re-release SD-73 in the high performance solid cover slot. BTW, nice move going to abralon; I approve.
Very happy owner of the Oracle Vision, Planet Venus, with the highly anticipated Epic Saga in route.
thanks again; keep up the grand work! Roto Grip is truely - King of them all!
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Post by: Floridarevmachine on December 06, 2006, 12:50:09 PM
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Post by: Hank B on December 06, 2006, 01:05:04 PM
As for making a hybrid symmetrical ball, I am always up for any suggestions that the bowlers may have. I try to listen to what the bowlers want, so
I will take a look at it for the next symmetrical release in March. Thanks again for the input.
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Post by: jepr0x on December 06, 2006, 06:11:17 PM
Post by: Bowler19 on December 06, 2006, 09:36:04 PM
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Post by: TheDude on December 06, 2006, 10:44:19 PM
basically replace the rsp. which cover's was weaker than Ultimate vision.
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Post by: Raven829 on December 07, 2006, 03:57:35 AM
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Post by: GutterDawg on December 07, 2006, 02:02:06 PM
Seriously though, I like the sound of both of these new balls. My Epic has been my workhorse and has more games on it than I can count (definitely in the hundreds!) and is just about ready to be retired and my Oracle Vision doesn't really fit my style that well so it may be moved along soon. I was thinking about buying another Epic to replace my old one but the new Odyssey sounds like it might be better for me. I've also been wanting something that goes a little farther than my Mercury yet still packs a punch at the pins for when the lanes are drying out so the Neptune sounds like it might fit the bill. Guess I'm going to have to start saving some money!
Post by: jepr0x on December 08, 2006, 04:49:57 AM
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Post by: Steve Richter on December 08, 2006, 12:13:34 PM
Based on RG's release schedule IF that is the next ball in the line-up that will be April.
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Post by: ImaRedbird on December 08, 2006, 02:18:54 PM
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