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kcTwister

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Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« on: February 10, 2010, 09:39:39 AM »
Wes went through a stretch last year where he was primarily throwing a Cell Pearl (at least on TV).  I am curious if anyone "in the know" has pics or a description of his lay out?  I am particularly interested in the lay out for the CPs on the Scorpion pattern/King of Bowling.  Thanks in advance!
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Re: Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2010, 06:42:38 PM »
Go to the rotogrip website, type "in the bag" in the search window. Bottom pic is the King of Bowling Cell Pearl.
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Re: Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2010, 08:07:48 PM »
Thank you!  That's what I was looking for.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2010, 06:40:34 AM »
And how will this help you?
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kcTwister

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Re: Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2010, 05:19:17 PM »
Jeff - Since you care I am simply looking at the pin to mass bias relation.  I like the general look of his reaction with this lay out.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 06:08:09 AM »
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Jeff - Since you care I am simply looking at the pin to mass bias relation.  I like the general look of his reaction with this lay out.


You must throw JUST like Wes then, yes?
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Re: Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2010, 10:26:12 AM »
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Jeff - Since you care I am simply looking at the pin to mass bias relation.  I like the general look of his reaction with this lay out.


You must throw JUST like Wes then, yes?
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You don't need to throw it like Wes to be able to ascertain how his layouts may work for you.  His exact reasoning of finding out the pin to axis and MB to axis relationship (thus ultimately the MB angle) is a valid one.  Why anyone would care about why someone else wants to know a pro's layout????
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Re: Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 10:33:36 AM »
It's nice to see the layout but realistically unless one's PAP and rev rate is the same it doesn't mean that much.  I got that from listening to Sean Rash's commentary on pin placement and layouts during yesterday's USBC masters match 1.
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Re: Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2010, 10:34:31 AM »
Because we might be trying to help someone avoid making a mistake.  If you're trying to mimic a reaction you saw from Mallot, it's all but impossible if your style isn't very close and you're seeing the same oil type, volume, and pattern.  PBA patterns vary a lot from house to house, let alone trying to copy exactly what the PBA lays out.  You're better off finding a good proshop that really knows your game and understands layouts rather than copy what person X used on pattern Y.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2010, 10:35:44 AM »
It's physics guys, ...it's simple...

Everyone throws the ball differently, thus...ball reaction can vary dramatically ....

So, wanted to know some pro's layout does you no good.

Come on you guys,....we all should know this ...
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Re: Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2010, 12:08:22 PM »
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It's physics guys, ...it's simple...

Everyone throws the ball differently, thus...ball reaction can vary dramatically ....

So, wanted to know some pro's layout does you no good.

Come on you guys,....we all should know this ...
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It's very simple...to a knowledgeable person it can be useful.  Has nothing to do with physics.  One can easy  adjust according to their release type (i.e lower or higher MB angle, stronger pin, etc).   And the OP never said anything about copying the layout.  Furthermore, knowing the "whys" of the layout are also important.  Nonetheless, this thread should have been done after the second post when the question was answered....
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kcTwister

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Re: Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2010, 03:52:00 PM »
Agreed, this thread should be done...but clearly he aspires to be a "king d-bag" so we should expect nothing less.

A ball/core will possess GENERAL characteristics based on pin placement, pin length, mb location irregardless of who is throwing it.  I was simply curious if it was pin up/down, where the mb was in relation to the pin/cg, etc.  Not trying to "copy a lay out"...I leave the drilling to my driller.  Otherwise what is the point of publishing drill sheets that include reaction guidelines or spending time looking at ball reaction videos that show reaction with a pin up lay out and a pin down lay out (which you seem to take interest in)?  

MOST would simply acknowledge that a pin up ball goes longer than a pin down and that by stacking the mb this will increase the dynamics of the ball, etc...

Heck, I bet even you could look at a ball and determine if it is a weak lay out or a strong lay out...that is all....

Edited on 2/13/2010 1:41 AM
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Re: Wes Malott's Cell Pearl Lay Out
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2010, 08:48:19 AM »
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Agreed, this thread should be done...but clearly he aspires to be a "king d-bag" so we should expect nothing less.


I have not done anything in this thread in a 'crude' fashion.  So, I hardly think 'd-bag' has anything to do with this.

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A ball/core will possess GENERAL characteristics based on pin placement, pin length, mb location irregardless of who is throwing it.


Well, of course it will , ...and by the way, ...it's REGARDLESS ...irregardless is not a word

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I was simply curious if it was pin up/down, where the mb was in relation to the pin/cg, etc.  Not trying to "copy a lay out"...I leave the drilling to my driller.


And that's fine also.  I've been on this board a long time and seen people get very dissapointed in finding interest to how a pro has a ball set up.

Remember, GENERAL characteristics don't add up to REACTION type 'necessarily'.

EXAMPLE: I'm a drummer.  And generally, certain head combinations on a drum will give you a certain sound.  But I can put the right head combo on a snare drum and NEVER get "that" sound from my favorite drummer....


 
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Otherwise what is the point of publishing drill sheets that include reaction guidelines or spending time looking at ball reaction videos that show reaction with a pin up lay out and a pin down lay out (which you seem to take interest in)?  


again, general (guideline) characteristics MUST be posted by manufacturers.

and, I never look at a reaction video, ..heck, ...they all look the same anyhow!

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MOST would simply acknowledge that a pin up ball goes longer than a pin down and that by stacking the mb this will increase the dynamics of the ball, etc...

Heck, I bet even you could look at a ball and determine if it is a weak lay out or a strong lay out...that is all....

Edited on 2/13/2010 1:41 AM


Sure, but that's not relavent here ...

I was just trying to figure out was 'needed' in such a post.  Too much experience seeing people trying to get 'that look' and get dissapointed.

There was no malice in my post here...
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