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Title: House Shot Killer?
Post by: tloy on January 01, 2020, 11:53:51 AM
Just looking for opinions as to best low to medium house shot killer in the Storm/Roto line... Kind of leaning toward MVP or Hustle Ink. Thank you in advance
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: SVstar34 on January 01, 2020, 12:00:55 PM
MVP would be my choice.

As someone who has been a little more rev dominant and trended towards matched lately with lower tilt, a house shot bag for me would be:

Idol Pro
MVP
After Dark Pearl (900G but seems pretty closely related to Storm/Roto)
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: tloy on January 01, 2020, 12:12:03 PM
Thank you. My only concern with MVP is I still have a Shatter and original Wrecker. I want to make sure there is not too much overlap :)
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: SVstar34 on January 01, 2020, 12:40:12 PM
Thank you. My only concern with MVP is I still have a Shatter and original Wrecker. I want to make sure there is not too much overlap :)

MVP has been mentioned many times as a Wrecker on steroids. Similar motion but a little more overall.

If your Wrecker and Shatter are still going strong, I'd keep those and add an Idol Pro or replace the Wrecker with an MVP
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: AlonzoHarris on January 01, 2020, 03:23:21 PM
I would go MVP Pearl over the MVP.
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: leftybowler70 on January 01, 2020, 04:36:29 PM
I think you should with the hustle ink option that you mentioned; Youíll definitely see a shape difference from the balls you mentioned you already have in my opinion.  As mentioned, the MVPís would overlap too easily.
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: DP3 on January 01, 2020, 07:55:24 PM
You really can't go wrong with a fresh cover IQ Tour Solid or Pearl. I have a solid with over 600 games on it and somehow its still got a ton of life left.
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: rocky61201 on January 02, 2020, 09:34:08 AM
OG Hy Road.
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 02, 2020, 09:35:23 AM
Storm Pro Motion.  I would use this on the fresh and then ball down to the Wrecker or Shatter once the PM is getting in to a roll too quickly.
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: northface28 on January 02, 2020, 12:41:31 PM
Storm Pro Motion.  I would use this on the fresh and then ball down to the Wrecker or Shatter once the PM is getting in to a roll too quickly.


Youíre the first person Iíve ever seen recommend this ball for house.
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: Impending Doom on January 02, 2020, 01:31:47 PM
Lighter oil? Ink has always looked money.
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 02, 2020, 02:44:58 PM
Storm Pro Motion.  I would use this on the fresh and then ball down to the Wrecker or Shatter once the PM is getting in to a roll too quickly.


Youíre the first person Iíve ever seen recommend this ball for house.

This could be because most people think length and backend on house.  The reason I went with the Pro Motion is because his rev rate isnt that high (300-325).  I believe if he stays low end that he is going to have 3 balls that are going to be too close together.  The RG on the PM is still in the low 2.5 area so it wont roll at his feet and with the higher diff it would help with continuation on the back end of the lane and through the pins. 

IF I was his pro shop guy, which I am not; unless he is going to want to replace either the Wrecker or Shatter at some point, to me it wouldnt make sense to put another entry level/mid entry level ball in his hands.  I believe he needs some separation and the PM would give him that without losing control as the PM is not a flippy ball.  Plus, with the OOB surface at 2000, he can adjust the cover up to 3000 or 4000 if he needs a little added push through the front part of the lane.
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 02, 2020, 03:04:18 PM
Storm Pro Motion.  I would use this on the fresh and then ball down to the Wrecker or Shatter once the PM is getting in to a roll too quickly.


Youíre the first person Iíve ever seen recommend this ball for house.

This could be because most people think length and backend on house.  The reason I went with the Pro Motion is because his rev rate isnt that high (300-325).  I believe if he stays low end that he is going to have 3 balls that are going to be too close together.  The RG on the PM is still in the low 2.5 area so it wont roll at his feet and with the higher diff it would help with continuation on the back end of the lane and through the pins. 

IF I was his pro shop guy, which I am not; unless he is going to want to replace either the Wrecker or Shatter at some point, to me it wouldnt make sense to put another entry level/mid entry level ball in his hands.  I believe he needs some separation and the PM would give him that without losing control as the PM is not a flippy ball.  Plus, with the OOB surface at 2000, he can adjust the cover up to 3000 or 4000 if he needs a little added push through the front part of the lane.

Your argument would work better for a Phaze 2.  SPEC just is not great on house shot after game 1 regardless of the bowler imo.
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 02, 2020, 03:14:47 PM
Storm Pro Motion.  I would use this on the fresh and then ball down to the Wrecker or Shatter once the PM is getting in to a roll too quickly.


Youíre the first person Iíve ever seen recommend this ball for house.

This could be because most people think length and backend on house.  The reason I went with the Pro Motion is because his rev rate isnt that high (300-325).  I believe if he stays low end that he is going to have 3 balls that are going to be too close together.  The RG on the PM is still in the low 2.5 area so it wont roll at his feet and with the higher diff it would help with continuation on the back end of the lane and through the pins. 

IF I was his pro shop guy, which I am not; unless he is going to want to replace either the Wrecker or Shatter at some point, to me it wouldnt make sense to put another entry level/mid entry level ball in his hands.  I believe he needs some separation and the PM would give him that without losing control as the PM is not a flippy ball.  Plus, with the OOB surface at 2000, he can adjust the cover up to 3000 or 4000 if he needs a little added push through the front part of the lane.

Your argument would work better for a Phaze 2.  SPEC just is not great on house shot after game 1 regardless of the bowler imo.

Good point.  I didnt even think Phaze 2. 
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: leftybowler70 on January 02, 2020, 03:18:15 PM
Two hands, Iím glad you explained it this way, Totally agree with you on the overlap; I only suggested my recommendation on him mentioning a house shot killer on the low end, (Other than what he has now).   But he could use another piece in the area you described).
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: LookingForALeftyWall on January 02, 2020, 03:36:50 PM
SPEC just is not great on house shot after game 1 regardless of the bowler imo.

2 lefty teammates and I have been completely torching outside of 10 all season long.  Nothing was consistently working for me game 3 until I started moving in and balling up to a Gravity Evolve.  *SPEC can and does work on a house shot after game 1.

(*Not saying it will for everyone.  Also not saying anything about the difference between the GE core and the PM core.)
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 02, 2020, 04:10:41 PM
SPEC just is not great on house shot after game 1 regardless of the bowler imo.

2 lefty teammates and I have been completely torching outside of 10 all season long.  Nothing was consistently working for me game 3 until I started moving in and balling up to a Gravity Evolve.  *SPEC can and does work on a house shot after game 1.

(*Not saying it will for everyone.  Also not saying anything about the difference between the GE core and the PM core.)

True didn't even think of the wrong side (I keed).  Don't bowl with many lefties and none throw SPEC so slipped my mind.  Guess need to avoid the blanket statements but haven't been impressed with what my eyes have seen so far after there is any kind of transition on right side in any of the houses around here.  YMMV.
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: tloy on January 02, 2020, 04:27:58 PM
Thank you for all of the great suggestions. Probably leaning toward an Ink. But I am also interested in the Phaze III, looks very interesting. Last ball I had w RS3 was the SnaplockÖ Waiting on a response from my PSO..
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 03, 2020, 06:52:40 AM
Two hands, Iím glad you explained it this way, Totally agree with you on the overlap; I only suggested my recommendation on him mentioning a house shot killer on the low end, (Other than what he has now).   But he could use another piece in the area you described).

Thanks.  As someone who has run a pro shop; sometimes you have to be willing to tell someone what they dont want to hear because at the end of the day you are helping them.  If you always tell them what they want, you are the expert and know more than they do.  You could give him the MVP or Hustle.  But if it is too close to the Wrecker or Shatter, then he is an upset customer because it really didnt help him to ultimately achieve what he was looking for and now he is out $150.00 or more and still looking for that "house killer".  So what it boils down to is....is he looking for something to eventually replace one of the other balls or something that can kill house shots yet be different enough to warrant keeping the other 2 balls?
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: LookingForALeftyWall on January 03, 2020, 08:20:29 AM
Thank you for all of the great suggestions. Probably leaning toward an Ink. But I am also interested in the Phaze III, looks very interesting. Last ball I had w RS3 was the SnaplockÖ Waiting on a response from my PSO..

Right now, the Phaze III is the first ball out of my bag on non-cliffed THS.  I am completely digging it on higher volume THS and modified house shots like USBC White.  On totally cliffed THS or when the heads have been fried, I find that it that it is a bit over/under for me.
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: tloy on January 03, 2020, 10:48:39 AM
Thank you everyone.

DP3,

Would you recommend the Solid or the Emerald IQ? Thank you
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: leftybowler70 on January 03, 2020, 10:56:49 AM
Two hands, Iím glad you explained it this way, Totally agree with you on the overlap; I only suggested my recommendation on him mentioning a house shot killer on the low end, (Other than what he has now).   But he could use another piece in the area you described).

Thanks.  As someone who has run a pro shop; sometimes you have to be willing to tell someone what they dont want to hear because at the end of the day you are helping them.  If you always tell them what they want, you are the expert and know more than they do.  You could give him the MVP or Hustle.  But if it is too close to the Wrecker or Shatter, then he is an upset customer because it really didnt help him to ultimately achieve what he was looking for and now he is out $150.00 or more and still looking for that "house killer".  So what it boils down to is....is he looking for something to eventually replace one of the other balls or something that can kill house shots yet be different enough to warrant keeping the other 2 balls?

Not a problem. I agree with you completely, and Iím the exact same way you are sir. It will never be the popularity contest, it will ALWAYS BE what gets the results to get the job done. 👉🏾
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: DP3 on January 03, 2020, 10:46:07 PM
Thank you everyone.

DP3,

Would you recommend the Solid or the Emerald IQ? Thank you

If you're rev dominant, IQ Tour Solid will let you hit everything. If you like to boom it to the friction, Emerald IQ is money!
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: Matt C on January 20, 2020, 02:31:04 PM
Storm Pro Motion.  I would use this on the fresh and then ball down to the Wrecker or Shatter once the PM is getting in to a roll too quickly.


Youíre the first person Iíve ever seen recommend this ball for house.

This could be because most people think length and backend on house.  The reason I went with the Pro Motion is because his rev rate isnt that high (300-325).  I believe if he stays low end that he is going to have 3 balls that are going to be too close together.  The RG on the PM is still in the low 2.5 area so it wont roll at his feet and with the higher diff it would help with continuation on the back end of the lane and through the pins. 

IF I was his pro shop guy, which I am not; unless he is going to want to replace either the Wrecker or Shatter at some point, to me it wouldnt make sense to put another entry level/mid entry level ball in his hands.  I believe he needs some separation and the PM would give him that without losing control as the PM is not a flippy ball.  Plus, with the OOB surface at 2000, he can adjust the cover up to 3000 or 4000 if he needs a little added push through the front part of the lane.

Your argument would work better for a Phaze 2.  SPEC just is not great on house shot after game 1 regardless of the bowler imo.

Maybe i see more volume than you, but depending on the house, I can use my Prime well into the 3rd game at most houses around here.
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: bautch24 on January 20, 2020, 03:50:48 PM
I'm slightly rev dominant, got a Honey Badger (Teal) for Christmas and it's already paid for itself and then some. Love that 2 piece carry as well!
Title: Re: House Shot Killer?
Post by: mtliu on January 22, 2020, 07:56:36 AM
Motiv Covert Tank and 900 Global Honey Badger

Covert Tank: You will need to throw a few shots with it to get some lane shine but for me that ball is super good on house. Controllable, not too angular but continuous.

Honey Badger: I have my HB at either 1000 or 2000 grit so it reads a bit earlier but the ball still kicks. on the back end.

At the end of the day it all depends on the house shot length and milliliters that you bowl on and your style but for my style (2 handed) and my house which is sometimes dry, sometimes slick, and rarely in between, these two work the best