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Equipment Boards => Roto Grip => Topic started by: BeerLeague on January 26, 2018, 12:30:54 PM
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The core and specs sure look like its the same ball ....... anyone have some inside knowledge?
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I don't know about the Hustle Ink, but if it's anything like the Match Up Solid (MUS), I'd run away from it.
My MUS was mediocre at best. It kind of loped down the lane and was nothing special. Thankfully, the ball had a warranty defect and I took the Pearl version as a replacement. The Pearl is better, but still not a hit.
Research carefully.....
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I have the Ink and the Match Up Solid. They shape up a little different but are really close in strength. I have a rico layout on my Match Up Solid though. Not sure on the exact numbers on my Ink, but the pin is drilled out in the ring, I believe. My PAP is about 5 over and 1/4 up. I have a small weight hole near my PAP on the Ink.
I'm assuming the Match Solid would be close as well.
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I have both. MUS is pin down, INK is pin in ring. Both are at 2000.
In short, INK is a much better ball.
MUS has too much lope and not enough shape to be effective most of the time. INK can still lope too much at times, but it has enough more shape to carry the corners.
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Just based on what I've seen, the Ink seems to be a much better ball. The Match Up Solid looks like it lopes too much. Match Solid might be a hair earlier than both
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Hustle Ink is definitely one the five best balls you can get under $100. Its too bad even a Hy-Road is on the low end of what I can use or would own one.
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I believe the OP was asking about the Match not the Matchup. The INK has a 2.53 RG and a diff. of .030 at 1500 polished.. The Match has a 2.55 RG and a diff. of .030 at 2000 Abralon Both are solids, however the covers and cores are different.
The Matchup has a higher RG and diff. and the cover was changed to add more flare/hook.
I have the Match and am interested like the OP as to how the INK solid compares to the Match solid in actual performance on a THS.
Perhaps Luke R. can chime in as I believe he has throw both.
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I believe the OP was asking about the Match not the Matchup. The INK has a 2.53 RG and a diff. of .030 at 1500 polished.. The Match has a 2.55 RG and a diff. of .030 at 2000 Abralon Both are solids, however the covers and cores are different.
The Matchup has a higher RG and diff. and the cover was changed to add more flare/hook.
I have the Match and am interested like the OP as to how the INK solid compares to the Match solid in actual performance on a THS.
Perhaps Luke R. can chime in as I believe he has throw both.
Woops, I missed that.
I had a Match Solid as well, pin down. OOB, that ball was shockingly strong. Much stronger than the INK or MUS. I never tried polishing it, I liked it too much on 37-40 ft sport shots.
INK and MUS are both much more usable on THS to me.
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Everyone a time our local center struggled with the match solid.
Looked to be very similar to the devour, just a weak solid.
Hustle ink has some raving feedback, just get an ink!
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The original Match Solid was pretty good, ugly as hell, but I liked mine quite a bit. Ink is not quite as strong, and is just better overall. That's really not saying anything bad about the Match Solid, just a nod to how good the Ink is. But no, nowhere near the same ball.
I believe the OP was asking about the Match not the Matchup. The INK has a 2.53 RG and a diff. of .030 at 1500 polished.. The Match has a 2.55 RG and a diff. of .030 at 2000 Abralon Both are solids, however the covers and cores are different.
The Matchup has a higher RG and diff. and the cover was changed to add more flare/hook.
I have the Match and am interested like the OP as to how the INK solid compares to the Match solid in actual performance on a THS.
Perhaps Luke R. can chime in as I believe he has throw both.
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Everyone at our local center struggled with the match solid.
Looked to be very similar to the devour, just a weak solid.
Hustle ink has some raving feedback, just get an ink!
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I don't know about the Hustle Ink, but if it's anything like the Match Up Solid (MUS), I'd run away from it.
My MUS was mediocre at best. It kind of loped down the lane and was nothing special. Thankfully, the ball had a warranty defect and I took the Pearl version as a replacement. The Pearl is better, but still not a hit.
Research carefully.....
Steven,
Just wondering if you tried adjusting the surface on the Match Up solid? Out of box, mine seemed very sensitive to the oil line. I hit it using light pressure with a 2000 abralon pad, and it made ALL the difference in the world for me. It still didn't read the lane as quick as the Match Solid, but had more continuation through the backend of the lane, and handled shots pulled into the oil much better, than at the factory surface.
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I don't like the core adjustment to the Match Ups. Match and Match Pearl were both great, then the Match Ups (aside from the Hybrid, it's actually really good) just kind of loped for days. Match Up Pearl is one of the worst Storm/Roto balls I've ever thrown personally.
I don't know about the Hustle Ink, but if it's anything like the Match Up Solid (MUS), I'd run away from it.
My MUS was mediocre at best. It kind of loped down the lane and was nothing special. Thankfully, the ball had a warranty defect and I took the Pearl version as a replacement. The Pearl is better, but still not a hit.
Research carefully.....
Steven,
Just wondering if you tried adjusting the surface on the Match Up solid? Out of box, mine seemed very sensitive to the oil line. I hit it using light pressure with a 2000 abralon pad, and it made ALL the difference in the world for me. It still didn't read the lane as quick as the Match Solid, but had more continuation through the backend of the lane, and handled shots pulled into the oil much better, than at the factory surface.
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Thank you Luke for your comparison comments on the Match solid vs. Hustle Ink solid. Much appreciated.
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Steven,
Just wondering if you tried adjusting the surface on the Match Up solid? Out of box, mine seemed very sensitive to the oil line. I hit it using light pressure with a 2000 abralon pad, and it made ALL the difference in the world for me. It still didn't read the lane as quick as the Match Solid, but had more continuation through the backend of the lane, and handled shots pulled into the oil much better, than at the factory surface.
I was about to make surface adjustments, starting with the 2000 pad as you did. But a curious thing happened. My IT slug suddenly wouldn't screw in. Took the ball to my PSO, and he noted the core had shifted, and that the ball was obviously still curing. Storm agreed to a warranty replacement, so I took a Pearl off the wall my PSO had in the shop.
The solid would probably would have been better with the 2000 pad adjustment. The Pearl is marginally OK, but if I keep it I can't see using it beyond a practice ball. I'll adjust the cover soon just to see if it has possibilities.
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I was about to make surface adjustments, starting with the 2000 pad as you did. But a curious thing happened. My IT slug suddenly wouldn't screw in. Took the ball to my PSO, and he noted the core had shifted, and that the ball was obviously still curing. Storm agreed to a warranty replacement, so I took a Pearl off the wall my PSO had in the shop.
The solid would probably would have been better with the 2000 pad adjustment. The Pearl is marginally OK, but if I keep it I can't see using it beyond a practice ball. I'll adjust the cover soon just to see if it has possibilities.
I can understand that. I think the Match Up pearl was designed more for a value price point ball, than a performance ball for tournament bowlers. It's a good pro shop ball for a customer that is fairly new looking for a little more board coverage (or is just a little too speed dominate) than a Tropical Storm, or a Breeze, but doesn't want the hook potential or price point that a bigger core or cover would give them.
Personally, I prefer the Hectic or JoyRide over the Match Up pearl, as a step down from the Match up Hybrid, or Match Up solid in my arsenal.
I actually just drilled a Match Up hybrid, and like it. Has very similar length to my out of box covered Match Up, but a little more pop on the backend. Also, the hybrid is a touch more forgiving than the pearl, for me.
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Just my observations, from a lower tilt, up-the-back stroker/tweener scratch tourney bowler:
Match Solid - label type drill, polished, is by far the best short pattern ball I've thrown. Boardwalk, Cheetah, etc. It's perfect for me, the length, control, continuation. It's also a good option on broken down house shots when I need more control compared to my Frantic. With that said, I don't see a lot of them around. It's the right motion to be a step down from my 2000 grit similarly drilled IQ Tour.
Observations on the Hustle INK... Getting very popular around here and the IQ Tour lovers that I know think the Hustle INK reacts like a polished IQ Tour with a little more pop on the backend.
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I can understand that. I think the Match Up pearl was designed more for a value price point ball, than a performance ball for tournament bowlers. It's a good pro shop ball for a customer that is fairly new looking for a little more board coverage (or is just a little too speed dominate) than a Tropical Storm, or a Breeze, but doesn't want the hook potential or price point that a bigger core or cover would give them.
Personally, I prefer the Hectic or JoyRide over the Match Up pearl, as a step down from the Match up Hybrid, or Match Up solid in my arsenal.
I actually just drilled a Match Up hybrid, and like it. Has very similar length to my out of box covered Match Up, but a little more pop on the backend. Also, the hybrid is a touch more forgiving than the pearl, for me.
I missed the Match Up Hybrid by a few weeks as a replacement option. Bad timing on my part.
My original intent for the Match Up was to find a drier lane ball that's a step up from the Tropical Storm or Breeze, but not so strong that it overlaps into the medium category. I found the Match Up (solid and pearl) too strong for dry and not enough for medium, at least compared to the other equipment I own. Maybe the solid would have been better with a 2000 pad, but I didn't like the lope in the roll. The pearl works great on a fresh THS, but so do most balls on the market. My PSO is a Storm staffer, so I wanted to give some Storm equipment a fair try. The Match Ups didn't do it for me.
I'm going to give the Ebonite Turbo/R (hybrid version) a go. I'm a big fan of the Gamebreaker cover, and I'm hoping matched up to a weaker low differential core it will handle drier/shorter conditions with some authority. I'll report back on that experiment.