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Title: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: CoorZero on April 14, 2018, 09:35:58 PM
For those of you who are lucky enough to own a Hustle INK, have you tried it with surface? Say around 2000 since that seems to be about the most popular grit. I'm wondering where it fits in a bag after taking the shine off and roughing up the cover. Seems like the INK wouldn't be much of a lighter oil option at that point, but would it get bumped up in the medium length/volume range?
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: Gill Man on April 14, 2018, 10:46:52 PM
I own two Hustle Inks and I took the pin up one and took it to 2000 and I believe it made it an even better ball. My pin down is 1000 polished and between the two I haven't used anything but these two balls the last three weeks. This has allowed me to pretty much play straight up 7-8 board and then bump in a bit as the night went on. At box finish I felt they were a bit too flippy for my liking. The Ink's are two of my favorite balls over the last couple of years. I believe I'm going to be dropping down to 14lb over the summer, and my first 2 balls are going to be another Ink and a hybrid Ink.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: earlyrolling on April 15, 2018, 12:04:54 AM
I own a Hustle Ink with 2K surface (drilled with pin under bridge).  The ball was too flippy with out of box shinyness and over/under on a pattern like High Street.
And boy even at 2K it still moves pretty hard off friction (but smoother than before).
I would definitely recommend you hit it with 2K!
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: 2handedrook12 on April 15, 2018, 03:57:07 AM
I own two Hustle Inks and I took the pin up one and took it to 2000 and I believe it made it an even better ball. My pin down is 1000 polished and between the two I haven't used anything but these two balls the last three weeks. This has allowed me to pretty much play straight up 7-8 board and then bump in a bit as the night went on. At box finish I felt they were a bit too flippy for my liking. The Ink's are two of my favorite balls over the last couple of years. I believe I'm going to be dropping down to 14lb over the summer, and my first 2 balls are going to be another Ink and a hybrid Ink.
*Hustle Hyb (to avoid confusion), but I agree with what you said.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: AlonzoHarris on April 15, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
My next step is to put surface on mine. Just haven't decided what yet. OOB it's too hard off friction and forces you deeper creating angle issues. The lower diff runs out of punch and you leave back row pins.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: CoorZero on April 15, 2018, 06:06:02 PM
For those that have used the INK with surface, where/when do you throw it? A better way to put it is the surfaced INK the first ball out of your bag or a step down from something else? Really appreciate the info thus far.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: Gill Man on April 15, 2018, 06:32:29 PM
I'm  only league bowling. It seems lately our house has put out a slightly longer shot which allows to play straight up 7-8. When they do start to break down, I bump in a couple of boards and stay in the pocket the rest of the night. Pretty much the only two balls I've used the last 3 weeks. Depending on which look I like dictates which one I start with and finish with. I like the pin down 1000 polish when they break down usually and for my 10 pin spares. I just ordered today a 14LB pin down Ink for summer league, along with a pin down GB3.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: leftybowler70 on April 15, 2018, 08:01:21 PM
My next step is to put surface on mine. Just haven't decided what yet. OOB it's too hard off friction and forces you deeper creating angle issues. The lower diff runs out of punch and you leave back row pins.



This is exactly the issue I had with mine; BUT it was that way at ANY finish I put on it. Gave it to my cousin, and he has KILLED with it once the heads blow up.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: HackJandy on April 15, 2018, 10:03:12 PM
For those of you who are lucky enough to own a Hustle INK, have you tried it with surface? Say around 2000 since that seems to be about the most popular grit. I'm wondering where it fits in a bag after taking the shine off and roughing up the cover. Seems like the INK wouldn't be much of a lighter oil option at that point, but would it get bumped up in the medium length/volume range?

Need to try it on more lanes but drilled mine max flare and was pleasantly surprised with how strong it was even OOB.  Actually kept polished as I need the extra entry angle to carry the 10.  Ordered right before the shortage and thought the order was canceled but got one of the first when they went back in production and was happy to keep.  Impressive ball so far.  Turns more than a Cyclops got around the same time didn't drill as aggressively.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: AlonzoHarris on April 15, 2018, 10:30:30 PM
My next step is to put surface on mine. Just haven't decided what yet. OOB it's too hard off friction and forces you deeper creating angle issues. The lower diff runs out of punch and you leave back row pins.



This is exactly the issue I had with mine; BUT it was that way at ANY finish I put on it. Gave it to my cousin, and he has KILLED with it once the heads blow up.

Yeah next step is for sale if I don't like it after surface change. I can use it, it's just that when it would be my go to I could do just as well if not better with the Hy-Road Pearl which I like more.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: leftybowler70 on April 16, 2018, 06:23:06 AM
Plain and simple, the hp1 line is WAY TOO MUCH ball for the price; While some will take advantage of the amount of motion that they provide, unfortunately, it’s not performing what the intended target is for the line which is  ‘light oil conditions’.

Will never purchase a hp1 ball from Roto Grip.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: CoorZero on April 16, 2018, 07:49:21 AM
Plain and simple, the hp1 line is WAY TOO MUCH ball for the price; While some will take advantage of the amount of motion that they provide, unfortunately, it’s not performing what the intended target is for the line which is  ‘light oil conditions’.

Will never purchase a hp1 ball from Roto Grip.

That's the thing, don't buy an INK, HYB, or POW as a ball for light conditions. Buy it for what it actually is. And that's what I'm trying to get a feel for.  ;D I'm thinking the HYB probably fits more of what I'm looking for, but I just can't ignore the hype of the INK either.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: AlonzoHarris on April 16, 2018, 10:22:59 AM
Plain and simple, the hp1 line is WAY TOO MUCH ball for the price; While some will take advantage of the amount of motion that they provide, unfortunately, it’s not performing what the intended target is for the line which is  ‘light oil conditions’.

Will never purchase a hp1 ball from Roto Grip.

That's the thing, don't buy an INK, HYB, or POW as a ball for light conditions. Buy it for what it actually is. And that's what I'm trying to get a feel for.  ;D I'm thinking the HYB probably fits more of what I'm looking for, but I just can't ignore the hype of the INK either.

Agreed. Let me disclaimer mine saying that I didn't really buy it for light oil. Took it for what it is. Just not quite as giddy over it as some. I think the HYB is more of what I was hoping for in terms of actual ball motion...but then again I have an IQ Tour Solid... so who knows. This might have just been a hype train ride for me personally.

In response to Lefty - Personally HP1 is sort of a blessing in disguise. You get higher performance for less money. So if the gap you're trying to fill calls for it, might be worth a look.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: leftybowler70 on April 16, 2018, 11:26:19 AM
I don’t disagree with either post..... While I’m not knocking the hp1 line it is great ( we all know that in ANY LINE your typically gonna get more bang for the buck)  it’s still tough when you need a specific type of motion, and it’s hard to find with SO many options as it is, It makes finding that type of performance that much harder.  :-\


Take it with a grain of salt, BUT remember at the same time guys that for EVERY numbers of balls that give you more than you expect, you’ll ALWAYS have your IQ’s and venom’s/ dare devil tricks  that are EUQALLY AS IMPORTANT as any other ball that’s designed.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: JazlarVonSteich on April 17, 2018, 09:49:06 AM
As I've said before, they need to rename their groupings or actually come out with weaker balls. HP literally stands for "Hook Potential". All it does is confuse consumers. Now it is more like, "How Priced".
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: Geigs on April 17, 2018, 05:41:13 PM
Just drilled mine with my favorite drill, pin above mid fing with a small cg kick. which is 5 1/2 x 4 for me. Tried it for first time in league last night. Not good, way to strong off the dry. Our league shot is pretty wet dry, so this ball just made it way to over under. In reading the reviews on the ink most people said it’s smooth and rolls like a weaker iq solid. Not even close for a league shot. I think it would be better with a low pin, or more surface to smooth it out. I’m sure it will be ok on broken down flatter patterns for me. I may have to take some shine off like some of you have to make it more versatile. Definitely not a ball for dry lanes, it’s just to strong. It will be a conditional ball for me, not a benchmark like some of the reviews. I have my hyroad for that anyway. Like hack said, I have to use it more on different conditions yet for a full accurate assessment.What the hell you can’t go wrong for the price. Definitely a ton of hook for the buck.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: AlonzoHarris on April 17, 2018, 08:13:08 PM
Just drilled mine with my favorite drill, pin above mid fing with a small cg kick. which is 5 1/2 x 4 for me. Tried it for first time in league last night. Not good, way to strong off the dry. Our league shot is pretty wet dry, so this ball just made it way to over under. In reading the reviews on the ink most people said it’s smooth and rolls like a weaker iq solid. Not even close for a league shot. I think it would be better with a low pin, or more surface to smooth it out. I’m sure it will be ok on broken down flatter patterns for me. I may have to take some shine off like some of you have to make it more versatile. Definitely not a ball for dry lanes, it’s just to strong. It will be a conditional ball for me, not a benchmark like some of the reviews. I have my hyroad for that anyway. Like hack said, I have to use it more on different conditions yet for a full accurate assessment.What the hell you can’t go wrong for the price. Definitely a ton of hook for the buck.

Yep - looks like you've arrived at my findings as well.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: leftybowler70 on April 17, 2018, 08:50:22 PM
Just drilled mine with my favorite drill, pin above mid fing with a small cg kick. which is 5 1/2 x 4 for me. Tried it for first time in league last night. Not good, way to strong off the dry. Our league shot is pretty wet dry, so this ball just made it way to over under. In reading the reviews on the ink most people said it’s smooth and rolls like a weaker iq solid. Not even close for a league shot. I think it would be better with a low pin, or more surface to smooth it out. I’m sure it will be ok on broken down flatter patterns for me. I may have to take some shine off like some of you have to make it more versatile. Definitely not a ball for dry lanes, it’s just to strong. It will be a conditional ball for me, not a benchmark like some of the reviews. I have my hyroad for that anyway. Like hack said, I have to use it more on different conditions yet for a full accurate assessment.What the hell you can’t go wrong for the price. Definitely a ton of hook for the buck.

Yep - looks like you've arrived at my findings as well.



You described it darn near as i explained it. The ENTIRE HUSTLE LINE IS TOO STRONG FOR LIGHT OIL AS ROTO originality designed them for!!!!
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: 2handedrook12 on April 18, 2018, 02:16:15 AM
There was a ball a few years ago called the Loco Solid. I think that ball was amazing for light oil. Definitely agree that the Hustle's aren't generally for light oil, but apparenty the market demands for more hook. Guarantee the Hustle Ink has out-sold the Loco series as a whole.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on April 19, 2018, 07:57:47 AM
I'd trade all of my stashed Hectics and a couple NIBs of whatever somebody wanted for a NIB 15 Loco Solid.  It was the real MVP.

There was a ball a few years ago called the Loco Solid. I think that ball was amazing for light oil. Definitely agree that the Hustle's aren't generally for light oil, but apparenty the market demands for more hook. Guarantee the Hustle Ink has out-sold the Loco series as a whole.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: Tommy716 on April 19, 2018, 11:15:42 AM
Gebhardt's Bowling has ( Loco Solid ) one 15 lbs classic vault for 2 Ben Franklins
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: Good Times Good Times on April 19, 2018, 12:03:41 PM
I'd trade all of my stashed Hectics.

I'm jealous......... :D

I'd LOVE another Hectic.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: Luke Rosdahl on April 20, 2018, 08:04:43 AM
Still plenty available, the Storm For Sale/Trade/Wanted forum on Facebook has several still floating around. 

I'd trade all of my stashed Hectics.

I'm jealous......... :D

I'd LOVE another Hectic.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: AlonzoHarris on April 20, 2018, 11:00:13 AM
Still plenty available, the Storm For Sale/Trade/Wanted forum on Facebook has several still floating around. 

I'd trade all of my stashed Hectics.

I'm jealous......... :D

I'd LOVE another Hectic.

Yeah I noticed you posted you were looking for one right after the discussion on here haha.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: 2handedrook12 on April 26, 2018, 01:18:06 AM
To the OP, have you considered taking it to 4000 without skipping steps? If that is too much, almost certain newspaper could do the trick.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: AlonzoHarris on April 26, 2018, 12:30:16 PM
To the OP, have you considered taking it to 4000 without skipping steps? If that is too much, almost certain newspaper could do the trick.

Does newspaper really break the shine down?
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: 2handedrook12 on April 26, 2018, 01:11:31 PM
To the OP, have you considered taking it to 4000 without skipping steps? If that is too much, almost certain newspaper could do the trick.

Does newspaper really break the shine down?
No, but it adds more length like polish without quickening the response time nearly as much.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: rvmark on April 26, 2018, 11:15:52 PM
I just had a Hustle Ink drilled this evening.  Had it drilled pin up and the reaction was overly sharp off the spot.  Put it on the spinner when I got home and knocke the shine off and took it to 2500 grit.  Will see how it reacts tomorrow at SD State tournament in warm up.
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: CoorZero on April 27, 2018, 08:50:41 AM
To the OP, have you considered taking it to 4000 without skipping steps? If that is too much, almost certain newspaper could do the trick.

I don't have one, was looking for information from those that do on where the INK fits after knocking the shine off. Ended up going with a HYB instead since that sounded like it fit more of what I was looking for overall anyways. And it does. Still might go for an INK, but would probably keep it with polish (though not necessarily at OOB condition).
Title: Re: Hustle Ink - With Surface
Post by: Cartybowls on April 27, 2018, 09:26:41 AM
I'd trade all of my stashed Hectics and a couple NIBs of whatever somebody wanted for a NIB 15 Loco Solid.  It was the real MVP.

There was a ball a few years ago called the Loco Solid. I think that ball was amazing for light oil. Definitely agree that the Hustle's aren't generally for light oil, but apparenty the market demands for more hook. Guarantee the Hustle Ink has out-sold the Loco series as a whole.
Say, I have a LOCO Solid, 15 lbs, NIB. Trade it straight up for an IQ Tour.
15.2 total, 2.0 Top, Pin 2-2.5.