Post by: EFFEN 10 on February 04, 2010, 10:28:18 AM
I'm planning on taking the cover down to 2000 ab.I bowl on alot of longer(40-42 ft),heavier sport patterns.To those of you who own this ball,is this a good idea?Or, should I consider some thing else,like the new Storm Invasion.
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Post by: the pooh on February 04, 2010, 06:55:06 PM
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Post by: Locke on February 04, 2010, 09:22:42 PM
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Post by: tcracing on February 05, 2010, 04:52:36 PM
Post by: clt2244 on February 05, 2010, 06:53:35 PM
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on February 05, 2010, 07:01:10 PM
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Get the Storm Invasion, because the Rogue Cell I have is a P.O.S. I can't give it away. For the first three weeks it was great, but I havent been able to do anything with it since. Before anyone says anything, YES I have done EVERYTHING to it (hot water bath, resurfaced to oob, clean and dull, rejuvenate) and NOTHING.
I hate to say it, but mine also died after only a short amount of games. I tried everything to revive it as well. It was an absolute monster for a month, and then it died. I always cleaned it after every set on my spinner. I even tried abralon to bring it back to OOB finish. No dice. Considering my Cubic Cell has 100+ games on it and is still going strong, I was letdown by the Rogue.
Post by: Locke on February 06, 2010, 12:48:03 AM
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Get the Storm Invasion, because the Rogue Cell I have is a P.O.S. I can't give it away. For the first three weeks it was great, but I havent been able to do anything with it since. Before anyone says anything, YES I have done EVERYTHING to it (hot water bath, resurfaced to oob, clean and dull, rejuvenate) and NOTHING.
I hate to say it, but mine also died after only a short amount of games. I tried everything to revive it as well. It was an absolute monster for a month, and then it died. I always cleaned it after every set on my spinner. I even tried abralon to bring it back to OOB finish. No dice. Considering my Cubic Cell has 100+ games on it and is still going strong, I was letdown by the Rogue.
I have heard a few people say this about their Rogue, but the vast majority of people have no problem with it. I have upwards of 100 games on mine and it is still as strong as ever. With out watching you throw it I would say that both of you might actually be having trouble with it burning up early and it just sees to be doing nothing. It is a lot of ball and for most people they don't die. The Cytoplasm coverstock is one of the lowest absorbsion speeds of high end balls. I have a lot of trouble believing that there are Cell line balls dying so quickly. I have 2 original Cells with 250+ on each and they are both still going strong. For some reason Roto's stuff isn't getting the hook potential credit it deserves and a lot of people are drilling them strong then finding that they are burning up early.
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on February 06, 2010, 01:01:37 AM
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With out watching you throw it I would say that both of you might actually be having trouble with it burning up early and it just sees to be doing nothing. It is a lot of ball and for most people they don't die.
Yeah that's it...My hybrid Rogue is burning-up while my solid more aggressive Cubic Cell that is drilled stacked leverage is reacting 200% more than it...The lane conditions haven't changed. Hell, my Storm Agent tears up that shot too. It really pisses me off when people insult my intelligence like that. Stop using "burning-up" as a crutch. It's really getting old...
My Rogue Cell was a dud. Maybe yours isn't. Oh well...That's life.
Post by: charlest on February 06, 2010, 12:03:38 PM
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Post by: Locke on February 06, 2010, 12:35:43 PM
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With out watching you throw it I would say that both of you might actually be having trouble with it burning up early and it just sees to be doing nothing. It is a lot of ball and for most people they don't die.
Yeah that's it...My hybrid Rogue is burning-up while my solid more aggressive Cubic Cell that is drilled stacked leverage is reacting 200% more than it...The lane conditions haven't changed. Hell, my Storm Agent tears up that shot too. It really pisses me off when people insult my intelligence like that. Stop using "burning-up" as a crutch. It's really getting old...
My Rogue Cell was a dud. Maybe yours isn't. Oh well...That's life.
First of all, it is a reasonable suggestion. And second the Rogue Cell actually has a stronger cover than the Cubic Cell. The Cubic is still using the Cytoplasmic cover that the Cell has while the Rogue has the Cytoplasmic XL with added traction compared to the Cytoplasmic cover. Roto did traction studies and found the Rogue got more traction in the oil than the Cell and more backend traction than the Cell Pearl. The Rogue Cell, while being a hybrid, is, and is supposed to be, stronger than the Cell. Its cover is only second to the Mutant Cell which is the solid version of the same coverstock. Bottom line is you misunderstood the purpose of the Rogue Cell as a ball between the Cell and Cell Pearl when it is actually meant to be 5-9 boards stronger than the original Cell. Just because it is hybrid does not make it weaker than the original Cell line, which includes the Cubic Cell. I have a Cell and a Rogue drilled the same, both stacked. The Cell is at 2000 while the Rogue is still at OOB 4000. The Rogue is a solid 7 1/2 boards more and has more on the backend than the Cell.
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Post by: SKIDSNAP on February 06, 2010, 03:08:53 PM
Post by: tizzle on February 06, 2010, 04:20:38 PM
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..The Corner of a Jigsaw, an Invasion, a Nasty Spider, and a green Avalanche.. how can I lose....
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Post by: EFFEN 10 on February 06, 2010, 05:23:46 PM
morning,4x4 with a 2" pin buffer.This put the pin about an inch
above my ring finger with a weight hole on my PAP.Got a tourney next
Sat.that I'm gonna try it on so we shall see.Thanks everone.
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Post by: Locke on February 06, 2010, 06:55:44 PM
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Post by: EFFEN 10 on February 07, 2010, 04:10:58 PM
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Good luck on it EFFEN, just wipe it down every shot and it won't die on you.
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Been wiping them down between shots for a long time.Plus, a good cleaning
after each set with Lanesmasters cleaner.
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Post by: Krakken on February 07, 2010, 06:07:03 PM
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Get the Storm Invasion, because the Rogue Cell I have is a P.O.S. I can't give it away. For the first three weeks it was great, but I havent been able to do anything with it since. Before anyone says anything, YES I have done EVERYTHING to it (hot water bath, resurfaced to oob, clean and dull, rejuvenate) and NOTHING.
Pm me, you can ship it to me if you want to give it away.
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on February 07, 2010, 06:33:42 PM
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I believe the Rogue is one the balls using the "new" system of sanding. That is, they sand it to 500 grit Abralon and then go directly to 4000 grit, skipping 1000 grit and 2000 grit. Just making sure you are aware of this and did not do a "normal" sanding of 500, 1000, 2000, 4000 which would have made it a much milder ball, with much more length.
Yes, I actually started with a 360 abralon pad, went to a 500 lightly, then went directly to 4000. I even tried it at 360, 500, 2000, and still no dice. It was dead...
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Good luck on it EFFEN, just wipe it down every shot and it won''t die on you.
I wipe every one of my bowling balls after every shot with a microfiber towel dampened with Remedy Rx and yet my Rogue still died. This is not a bad suggestion, but not bulletproof by any means...
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First of all, it is a reasonable suggestion. And second the Rogue Cell actually has a stronger cover than the Cubic Cell. The Cubic is still using the Cytoplasmic cover that the Cell has while the Rogue has the Cytoplasmic XL with added traction compared to the Cytoplasmic cover. Roto did traction studies and found the Rogue got more traction in the oil than the Cell and more backend traction than the Cell Pearl. The Rogue Cell, while being a hybrid, is, and is supposed to be, stronger than the Cell. Its cover is only second to the Mutant Cell which is the solid version of the same coverstock. Bottom line is you misunderstood the purpose of the Rogue Cell as a ball between the Cell and Cell Pearl when it is actually meant to be 5-9 boards stronger than the original Cell. Just because it is hybrid does not make it weaker than the original Cell line, which includes the Cubic Cell. I have a Cell and a Rogue drilled the same, both stacked. The Cell is at 2000 while the Rogue is still at OOB 4000. The Rogue is a solid 7 1/2 boards more and has more on the backend than the Cell.
Um, the Cubic Cell does not have the same cover as the orginal Cell. It''s a different formulation of the Cytoplasmic cover per: http://www.rotogrip.com/products/balls/ball.asp?ballid=92
I have two original Cells, one of which is drilled exactly the same as my Cubic and the Cubic is easily 4 boards stronger overall. Both are original OOB finish at 2000 abralon. So to say that the Rogue has a stronger cover than the Cubic is like saying Coke tastes better than Pepsi. There are no facts, only opinions supporting such...
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Post by: Locke on February 07, 2010, 11:03:19 PM
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The Rogue Cellâ„¢ utilizes the latest generation of the Cytoplasmicâ„¢ coverstock series. The Cytoplasmic XLâ„¢ hybrid reactive coverstock features a unique blend of additives creating the highest friction to lane values ever produced by Roto Grip. The blend of solid and pearl coverstock generates the strongest and most consistent hook from release to impact.
You want fact there it is. Straight from the Roto website. They use the same core and when the Rogue came out it was the strongest cover ever made by Roto. It is stronger than the Cubic. Plain and simple. Fact.
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on February 08, 2010, 02:50:36 PM
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The Rogue Cellâ„¢ utilizes the latest generation of the Cytoplasmicâ„¢ coverstock series. The Cytoplasmic XLâ„¢ hybrid reactive coverstock features a unique blend of additives creating the highest friction to lane values ever produced by Roto Grip. The blend of solid and pearl coverstock generates the strongest and most consistent hook from release to impact.
You want fact there it is. Straight from the Roto website. They use the same core and when the Rogue came out it was the strongest cover ever made by Roto. It is stronger than the Cubic. Plain and simple. Fact.
Have you thrown both or are you only going by what you read? "Hook" is very subjective. When my Rogue was brand new it was longer and stronger off of the break than the Cubic (both drilled the same). However, the Cubic is very similar in overall hook in more oil and is more even (less snap). The Rogue didn't handle the heavy stuff as well. I attribute that to the hybrid versus solid covers.