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Equipment Boards => Roto Grip => Topic started by: coasterp on February 24, 2015, 12:08:11 PM

Title: Issue with Sinister
Post by: coasterp on February 24, 2015, 12:08:11 PM
Has anyone seen their Sinister lose back end reaction very quickly? I have one that after about 4 games, my Uproar was about 5 boards stronger. Cover changes and re-drill have not changed this. Anyone else had the same thing go on?
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: tdub36tjt on February 24, 2015, 12:39:29 PM
Sounds like it's burning up to me. Have you tried polishing it?
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: NHLfan88 on February 24, 2015, 01:09:32 PM
exactly.  they hook early then stop.  polish might help.
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: billdozer on February 24, 2015, 01:15:43 PM
Mine calmed down quite a bit but I'm glad it did.  My guess is that it's a weak version of ERG like the lucid was...as for my game the covers are about equal, but the Crux being strongest.

Crux < sinister=lucid
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: coasterp on February 24, 2015, 02:18:42 PM
My first thought was that the ball was burning up as this is typical first response whenever it is mentioned a very strong covered ball is not hooking. However, the ball DID hook a ton in the back, as expected, out of the box. Once it stopped the first thing I did was polish, as I thought it may be burning up. The polish made it worse. The second was to put surface back on. Same result. It hooked for a bit then stopped. Lastly, based on feedback from roto-grip, a re-drill and taking surface back to factory was done. Same result as previous. Just wondering if anyone else has seen this. It sounds like one poster has. Anyone else?
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: tdub36tjt on February 24, 2015, 09:26:58 PM
When you took it back to factory did you go all the way down to 360 grit then back up?? I find that helps
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: coasterp on February 25, 2015, 05:07:32 AM
When you took it back to factory did you go all the way down to 360 grit then back up?? I find that helps
No, I went 500, 3000. This is what I was instructed to do by Roto Grip. I am trying to decide if I want to send the ball back for evaluation or just cut my losses. They are asking that I pay shipping to them and they will pay for it back if the ball is OK or for a replacement ball if it's found defective. I already have cost of new ball, cost of re-drill and a video analysis that was done which is quite a bit into this ball. Their feeling is that I am not matching up with the ball. I am still questioning the cover due to it responding to friction when freshly re-surfaced and then dying very quickly. At this point I'm still on the fence about sending back. Still waiting for more feedback to see if others had the same issue.
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: Metal_rules on February 25, 2015, 06:21:30 AM
What I did with mine is I used a burgundy scotch pad and scuffed the cover. This seemed to help some. I just got used to throwing it with a a little softer speed to let the ball get into a roll, and it seems to work just fine this way. I don't really use it as much any more, may try to sell it?
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: jfram2000 on February 25, 2015, 11:49:54 AM
Same with mine. Every time I put surface on the ball (3000) I would get 3 or 4 good shots before it would lane shine and leave flat 10's. Stopped putting surface and just cleaning it and using as 2nd or 3rd game and working great as not  the first  ball. Tip from Bill Dozer.
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: Strapper_Squared on February 25, 2015, 12:09:30 PM
Does anything else hook on the backend?
I would suspect the lane machine was broken before the ball died after a few games.

I've only ever seen one ball truly die... a TPC warrior after 750+ games.

S^2
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: billdozer on February 25, 2015, 12:13:26 PM
What I did with mine is I used a burgundy scotch pad and scuffed the cover. This seemed to help some. I just got used to throwing it with a a little softer speed to let the ball get into a roll, and it seems to work just fine this way. I don't really use it as much any more, may try to sell it?

I also have to ensure it gets into a roll or no carry.
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: itsallaboutme on February 25, 2015, 12:15:19 PM
billdozer, coasterp and jfram200,

If you give the ball 5 minutes or so between shots instead of shot after shot does it hook? 
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: itsallaboutme on February 25, 2015, 12:25:46 PM
SS,

There are definitely bad balls out there, just a lot of people aren't good enough to notice or are convinced it's them and not the ball.
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: billdozer on February 25, 2015, 12:42:06 PM
billdozer, coasterp and jfram200,

If you give the ball 5 minutes or so between shots instead of shot after shot does it hook? 

I have only used it in league.  Not in practice or prebowl/bowl out...so idk.  I seriously dont have beef with the ball...its as unique as the Crux... It got no publicity, and I think it outshines the crux...
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: davidinil on March 15, 2015, 08:16:16 PM
Hey Billdozer, how would you compare the Sinister vs Crux Vs Hypercell Skid?  I'm very interested on your take on these 3 pieces.
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: billdozer on March 15, 2015, 09:55:31 PM
Strength wise - Crux
Smoothest - Sinister
Backend/length Skid

The sinister for me is the unique peice in the bag.  It's out there with the Crux but more versitile.  The skid a stronger cell pearl.
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: davidinil on March 15, 2015, 10:08:49 PM
Thank you Billdozer.  I typically do not like asymetricals.  They want to check up too early.  So it sounds like out of those 3 balls, the Skid would be best.  I have a Defiant Soul that I like a lot.  My home house changed to Brunswick Defy oil and now the Soul is slightly underpowered on the fresh. 

Funny thing is, with Defy oil, the only thing that does work is asymetricals.  My Disturbed and MarvelS just do not cut the mustard any more. 
Title: Re: Issue with Sinister
Post by: billdozer on March 15, 2015, 10:17:25 PM
Hmm if u need something to cut through oil the crux does a great job of that, I just have a slower ball speed and everything hooks.   I really dig how smooth the sinister is, but if I were you I'd be drilling a hyper cell solid!!!!