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My Cell Just Isnt Moving....
« on: February 11, 2008, 05:22:57 AM »
Im not that knowledgable of layouts and the whole aspect of drilling the ball but I had my cell drilled aggressive with the pin under the ring finger. I am a high rev, high speed, bowler. Ive been bowling in a house with a extreamly walled up shot, where the insides are extreamly wet and the outsides are extreamly dry. So i figured  I could stand very far left and throw maybe a 5L and peek it out to like 15R-10R, because the outsides get so dry later on in the evening that if you spray it out early its gonna check up and go brooklyn. But I couldnt find a ball to hit from the insides, from that deep of a angle. So i kept moving right and with the amount of oil and carrydown you almost cant have any angle on your ball in the inside if you want your ball to turn around. So I was on a mission for a new ball to make that turn. Because I now have this idea that if i can get a ball to move in the inside, then anyone outside of that will make it to the pocket as well. So ill have an amazing amount of room. So ive always used pearl coverstock balls so I thought maybe a dull ball would eat through that oil with my revs.

So i purchased the Black Widow Bite. This ball is very good, but once again that ball couldnt make the turn in the inside. So i said alright screw it I want the most aggressive ball out there. I want a beast. I want a ball that will hook off my hand. So i was told to try the cell. Alot of people said I had to much hand for the cell. Well i purchased the cell. Only thing I can say is, wtf is up with this ball. freshly oiled shot, fresh backends. I stood left with it and basically threw a shot 25 to 10 to see if it would turn. The ball just sailed right and barely made a turn. I was amazed. So I was like maybe I need to get it right so it can hit some dry boards. Well i threw it right and the ball just hit the outside and then made a slight move and beaked it right through the 3 pin. So now im just confused.

Im not sure why this ball isnt moving. I left it at factory. Maybe my speed is two high, so it doesnt have time to make the turn. Or maybe its burning energy to early and losing all the energy before it hits the dry boards. But like I stated before we have ALOT of oil in the insides and on the heads so that doesnt make much sense either. Our house is also known for having sub par backends so maybe the backends arnt dry enough with my speed. Who knows. Has anyone else had any problems with the cell. It might just be my revs and speed.

 

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Re: My Cell Just Isnt Moving....
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2008, 04:11:30 PM »
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Heres some pictures of my cell layout and my bite layout.. if anyone can give me my stats based on these pictures it would be really appreciated...

Black Widow Bite
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t190/BowlingIcon2/100_0944.jpg

Cell
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t190/BowlingIcon2/100_0943.jpg


My Cell is laid out pretty much the same as yours....same result...weird
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Re: My Cell Just Isnt Moving....
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2008, 05:07:33 PM »
Maybe I was too circumspect inmy reply.

Let me be a little more straight forward.

There is still no magic. ANy surface that a ball comes with as stock is just a suggestion from the manufacturer. That surface, in general, is the one best used by the average revs bowler, with average ball speed.

If you have either higher (than average) ball speed or lower than average revs, then you need to use a lower (numerical) grit to porvide a rougher surface to get the ball to move earlier. STock Cell surface is 2000 grit; you should try 600 or 1000 grit.

If you have lower ball speed or higher rev rate, then you need a finer grit level (higher numeric) applied to the ball. The stock Cell surface is 2000 grit; you should try 4000 grit.

If you have lower revs AND lower ball speed, you need a higher pin position than average and POSSIBLY a different surface. Maybe polish, maybe finer grit level. There are many dependencies.

The Cell is a very good ball, better than average, with nore forgiveness than most balls.

Good luck, as always
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Re: My Cell Just Isnt Moving....
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2008, 05:14:23 PM »
Charlest, I understand what you said, and believe me I am not done with this ball yet, just haven't had a chance to change the surface.  It still hits hard.

In my review I did see a condition where this ball wheeled like mad, and I put up a pretty big number with it, so I need to find a surface where it will do that more often.

Just a question though, cuz my thought was the lower the grit (from 2000, to 1000 or 600 like you suggested) wouldn't it be more likely to burn up earlier?




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Re: My Cell Just Isnt Moving....
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2008, 05:35:27 PM »
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Charlest, I understand what you said, and believe me I am not done with this ball yet, just haven't had a chance to change the surface.  It still hits hard.

In my review I did see a condition where this ball wheeled like mad, and I put up a pretty big number with it, so I need to find a surface where it will do that more often.

Just a question though, cuz my thought was the lower the grit (from 2000, to 1000 or 600 like you suggested) wouldn't it be more likely to burn up earlier?

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Of course, it will, but you do that if you want to use it on very heavy oil OR if you have a high ball speed (as mentioned above). If you're ball speed is average, but you have a lot of tilt OR a a high angle of rotation upon release, then you need (usually) a closer/shorter pin to PAP OR a lower numeric grit level. (I didn't want to get into tilt or rotation, BUT they are important factors especially for asymmetric cored balls.)

If your ball speed is 18 mph and your friend's ball speed is 16 mph, with all other factors the same, (not likely but it can happen), wouldn't it make sense, if you two were bowling on the same lanes, for your higher ball speed to need more surface than the lower ball speed bowler?? (Assume you're even playing the same line. This is theoretical, not practical.)

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Re: My Cell Just Isnt Moving....
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2008, 10:19:18 PM »
Is there anyone that can give me my stats based on the pictures of the ball I have drilled above? I would really want to know these stats for future reviews you know?

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Re: My Cell Just Isnt Moving....
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2008, 10:28:37 PM »
Can't give your specs but if you can give your PAP then a person could give a SWAG.  Your driller should have your PAP and specs and all equipment he/she has sold you.


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