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Title: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: brimar on February 27, 2004, 04:32:48 AM
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Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on February 27, 2004, 10:08:34 PM
Hoochie Mamma !!

A modified Retro core, looks like a bigger nugget and larger flip block....Sure Grip reactive.......uuhhhhhhh, ohhhhhhhh......

Talk about combining the best of 2 great lines...the Retros and Streaks....this ball is gonna be SICK on anything from medium-heavy to medium-light depending on cover prep and drill.......Yowza!

Order-bank open, order-bank open, order-bank open!
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: brimar on February 27, 2004, 10:13:21 PM
decision made. ill be ordering mine soon as they become available. thanks roger
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: brimar on February 27, 2004, 10:13:23 PM
decision made. ill be ordering mine soon as they become available. thanks roger
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on February 28, 2004, 10:10:55 AM
Tell him now Jason.....have him put your name on a list!
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: charlest on February 28, 2004, 04:39:48 PM
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Hoochie Mamma !!

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Order-bank open, order-bank open, order-bank open!
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!


Jeff,

Orgasms are not done iin public in polite society.  


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"Just because you can do something does not mean you should do it."
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on February 28, 2004, 09:15:44 PM
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Jeff,

Orgasms are not done iin public in polite society.  



Sorry ! ..................
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: AllStar23 on February 28, 2004, 09:30:59 PM
I was thinkin the same thing..hot rod colors are the way..Except its solid not pearl.
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If for every shot my cherry bomb carried a 7 pin id be rich..But im not..Whats that say?
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on February 29, 2004, 01:08:21 PM
hot rod is a different color red, and a silvery pearl,...the RR is a gray..dull
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on February 29, 2004, 01:25:01 PM
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will they be in the same price range as the silver streaks
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Vinny



Yes......it's a mid-line ball.........
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on February 29, 2004, 01:38:02 PM
nice medium solid resin......
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Shoutout33 on March 01, 2004, 08:37:25 AM
Um..ok, where is it supposed to fit guys? When I get things in order, I plan to get ALL of the Streaks! Well, at least make a four ball arsenal with the Particle and Silver Streaks, then get the Sonic Solid and the Cosmos. Later on, I'd like to get the Pearl Streak when I'd be able to afford it. So again, where would this new Streak fit?

PS

I'd really like to throw that a Apocolypse though. I heard that thing is like border line med. heavy oil and it's listed as a med. oil ball!
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When you've moved up, moved back, adjusted left and right, cupped, flattened out, have thrown everyting in your arsenal, and the pins still don't cooperate, just say, "Aw to HELL with it!", and throw the ball!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 01, 2004, 08:43:15 AM
Shoutout,

Based upon the RR release, it would probably be safe to say the Streaks, because of their age and/or sales may be being updated.  I would assume that the Retro Res is the Solid Streak 'replacement so to speak' ...or the NEW mid-line priced ball....but that's my OWN assumption...
This is 5 ball, but.........
SS Particle
Apocalypse
Retro Res
SS pearl
Sonic Solid
Spare ball ....RG probably has a new spare ball coming out soon too,.....the Cosmos is on their discontinued list right now..........
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!

Edited on 3/1/2004 1:29 PM
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 01, 2004, 09:08:39 AM
It is interesting to look at this core.

To me it looks like the Fuel, Top Fuel Pure fuel core with a angular slice lopped off to give a not so smooth more jerky or angular backend like the Streaks are known for.

Also a bigger flip block as listed above and also the core essentially turned rightside up from the silvers which have the flipblock down.

My guess more angular than the fuels, slightly more smooth than the silvers!

REGards,

Luckylefty
PS plus less pure flare than the .57 diff Blue retro.
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 01, 2004, 10:07:17 AM
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It is interesting to look at this core.

To me it looks like the Fuel, Top Fuel Pure fuel core with a angular slice lopped off to give a not so smooth more jerky or angular backend like the Streaks are known for.


No, ...it's the Retro core modified.....nothing like the Fuel cores, nothing!

quote:
Also a bigger flip block as listed above and also the core essentially turned rightside up from the silvers which have the flipblock down.


YES...the Rotary core first appeared in the Retro Blue/Red, ...the Streaks had the core flipped, with density tweaks and flip block tweaks,... the Ressurection re-flipped it back and again tweaked for different densities, a larger nugget and flip block.

quote:
My guess more angular than the fuels, slightly more smooth than the silvers!



I would totally agree with that !


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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!

Edited on 3/1/2004 11:03 AM
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 01, 2004, 12:21:20 PM
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Yo Vinny, relax. Roto-grip is made by Storm!


Manufactured in the Storm plant! That's it........
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Shoutout33 on March 01, 2004, 12:27:55 PM
Hey Jeff,

Thanks for the arsenal breakdown! Man, if this ball is going to replace the original solid streak, they're gonna' be some jaded Roto fans around. I wonder how Rodger broke the news to Tommy Delutz Jr. (Note: From what I heard and read, this is his favorite ball.) I hope it's as versitle as it's predecessor.
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When you've moved up, moved back, adjusted left and right, cupped, flattened out, have thrown everyting in your arsenal, and the pins still don't cooperate, just say, "Aw to HELL with it!", and throw the ball!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 01, 2004, 12:34:41 PM
WHOA!! Hang on..I Didn't say it's replacing.....I said that's MY BEST GUESS...I don't know exactly what's going on.....it's an assumption only........
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Shoutout33 on March 01, 2004, 12:53:36 PM
Ooops. My bad Jeff. Not trying to start any rumors or anything. By the way, went to Roto Grips website and I saw that the solid Silver Streak is not in the discontinued section, so I guess that's a good thing after all. Sorry for the miscommunication on my part. (Note: I really want to own and throw a solid Silver streak...really, really, really bad.)
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When you've moved up, moved back, adjusted left and right, cupped, flattened out, have thrown everyting in your arsenal, and the pins still don't cooperate, just say, "Aw to HELL with it!", and throw the ball!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 01, 2004, 12:58:29 PM
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Ooops. My bad Jeff. Not trying to start any rumors or anything. By the way, went to Roto Grips website and I saw that the solid Silver Streak is not in the discontinued section, so I guess that's a good thing after all. Sorry for the miscommunication on my part. (Note: I really want to own and throw a solid Silver streak...really, really, really bad.)



No problem, just wanted to make sure you understood me and that no one else did either

If that IS what is happening.....I doubt RG would take a ball off their site 'right away' ...I'm sure we'll see soon enough what's going on.....
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: northface28 on March 01, 2004, 02:03:30 PM
Looks like a good ball but I can say I wont have it. I have the Rush, Apocalypse (mix of solid and pearl), and the Bruiser so a solid is out of the question. However if they make some sort of pearl I will get it to replace my Silver Streak Pearl. But that pearl better be one special ball because the SSP is the best ball I have/ever had.
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 03, 2004, 12:37:08 AM
I got my pro shop price for the Retro R today, definately midpriced. I am going to call the distributor tomorrow and see if they have them. I doubt they would have them listed on the specials sheet if they didn't.

After throwing the Apocalypse and the RUSH, I absolutely have to try this ball. I never had a ball in the Retro Line or the Streak Line, so maybe I waited until the right time to really look at Roto Grip.

Has anyone had a chance to throw this, if so, let me know what you got out of the ball.
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 03, 2004, 05:35:30 AM
Jeffrevs,

Regarding core shape.

I couldn't disagree more.  Open your mind, take a breath, go take a look at the fuel or pure fuel core.  Nice and round eh?  Nugget in the center eh?  Extension at the top and then a nice big flip block on top.

Now lop of the sides from the equator down in to the southern hemisphere with an angular down slice, lop!!!  Oh oh, Roto resurrection core!  If we asked Roger I wouldn't be surprised if this is approximately what is done.

Try to picture that slicing I see it very clearly.  

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS somehow I picture Garret Morris of Saturday night live,  riding in a Ford Victoria getting ready to do a circumsision as they hit pothole after pothole!
OK Fuel, just hold steady........ Ahhh, doesn't that feel better, now you're going to much more angular at the break point! Ahhhhhhh.......
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 03, 2004, 06:23:55 AM
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Jeffrevs,

Regarding core shape.

I couldn't disagree more.  Open your mind, take a breath,


That's ok, you can disagree with me all you like

Lucky,  I wasn't responding to how it "looks" ....I was responding to what it is.

quote:
Now lop of the sides from the equator down in to the southern hemisphere with an angular down slice, lop!!! Oh oh, Roto resurrection core! If we asked Roger I wouldn't be surprised if this is approximately what is done.


A visual, possible theory.....just from looks.....maybe, at best...however that is not what it is.

It may look like what you describe.....and I do (and did) see what you were talking about,...however, the cyclotron core and the rotary core are  different. That's all I was trying to explain because you seemed very interested in the ball.........

Once again,...I see your image (like the SNL flashback!) and I understand how you can see that, I was just responding to what the Resurrection core is..and it's a modified rotary core.

Can't wait to throw this one !
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!





Edited on 3/3/2004 9:17 AM
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 03, 2004, 06:32:15 AM
quote:
I got my pro shop price for the Retro R today, definately midpriced. I am going to call the distributor tomorrow and see if they have them. I doubt they would have them listed on the specials sheet if they didn't.



Ex, March 19th if I'm not mistaken...........
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 04, 2004, 03:21:41 PM
Again,

Fuel core, Ford Victoria, Garret Morris, lop lop,
Doesn't that feel better?  Aren't you going to be more angular?

Roger!? Mustang Guy!?

Step in here!

REgards,

Luckylefty
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 04, 2004, 05:34:52 PM
quote:
Again,

Fuel core, Ford Victoria, Garret Morris, lop lop,
Doesn't that feel better?  Aren't you going to be more angular?

Roger!? Mustang Guy!?

Step in here!



Lucky, I like you man, I really do, I love reading your stuff and talking 'shop' ....but Roger is going to tell you the exact same thing ! I'm telling you .....Cyclotron is NOTHING like the Rotary, Asymmetric vs. symmertric, clyclotron rings, no cyclotron rings, nuggets, etc, etc,...
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JEFF
Quit muscling it at the bottom of your swing...bonehead!
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Mustang Guy on March 04, 2004, 06:16:45 PM
Guys,

Realize when looking at the weight blocks (and I have touched on this subject before) we are talking shapes.  These shapes you see all vary here and there, some are close in looks and some are very different.  What matters when it comes to the weight block is the core dynamics we create with these different shapes and densities.  Roto Grip uses in most weight blocks, depending on the line, various object.  We first have a core itself, then we use a large heavy ball and flip blocks to create our dynamics. If I look at the Cyclotron core and we look at the Rotary core the size and pieces used look similar.  But what you don't see by looking at the pictures is that Cyclotron core is asymmetrical which gives the ball a stronger mid lane read.  The RG is lower and the Differential is higher.  I.E. a high performance bowling ball.  The Rotary core is symmetrical which allows it to be more stable and get down the lane further before standing up.  The RG is higher and the differential is lower.  I.E. a mid performance bowling ball.  The Sonic cores are larger with only flip blocks to create the dynamics with no use of a heavy ball in the center for a lower rg.  This is why we have even a higher RG ball (more mass further away from the center) to create more length then the others along with a lower differential for less flare.  I.E. a entry level performance ball.  The Hemi core is also a high performance core which is truly symmetrical (even with the flip block on the side).  What you don't see in the pictures is what I know because of the dynamics.  The Flip block on the side is almost exactly the same density as the outer core that surounds the weight block.  This ball being a lower RG and medium differential allows it to handle more oil with a smooth backend for medium-heavier patterns.  I have read the posts and see you guys argueing like a bunch of old ladies  

Look to see if it is asymmetrical or symmetrical
Look to see if which cover we are using reative, particle, pearl or solid
Look to see the RG and Differential numbers
Shiny or Dull
Length and Backend Charts

We try to provide the most amount of technical data as possible with our advertising material so you guys can read up on the balls and know the differences.  From there if you have any further questions or need to clarify anything you are more than welcome to call me at the office and I can answer any questions you have about the differences in cores and covers.  I have trouble getting on here as much now with the growth of the company and I do keep Jeff posted on what is going on so he can answer the majority of the questions for me and make sure everyone is getting their questions answered correctly.  

Thanks for your support and the ball will be available at pro shops on March 19th, 2004.  Local Star Pro Shops can get a few sooner, but most of the pro shops will all be able to purchase these on March 19th from their distributor.

Thanks!
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Roger Noordhoek
Technical & Customer
Services Manager
Roto Grip, Inc.
888-450-6920
RogerN@rotogrip.com
www.rotogrip.com


For all your Roto Grip Logo Merchandise please visit www.rotogear.com
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Kid Jete on March 04, 2004, 06:54:22 PM
Well I guess that concludes the debating over this ball LOL.  I'll definately be trying one myself
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 05, 2004, 08:56:58 AM
I will concede that according to THE source Jeffrevs is right!!!

Nice of Roger to not say so but I read between the lines.

I now picture Garrett Morris riding off in to the sunset,  Happy with his previous work for SNL (but not Rotogrip), but looking for more!

REgards,

Luckylefty
ROger, Jeff and I were havin some fun!!
PS I still predict a reaction closer to the Silver Streaks which I consider pleasingly jumpy versus the Fuels which from what I have seen are smoother(but the Pure fuel moves a bit more than other fuels).
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 05, 2004, 09:25:03 AM
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I will concede that according to THE source Jeffrevs is right!!!

Oh no, please ! Don't call ME the source! Roger shares info with me that helps me answer questions, but as you can see ....Roger is THE source....I guess that makes me ....the liaison!

quote:

Roger, Jeff and I were havin some fun!!
PS I still predict a reaction closer to the Silver Streaks which I consider pleasingly jumpy versus the Fuels which from what I have seen are smoother(but the Pure fuel moves a bit more than other fuels).


Lucky is right...and Lucky (I will concede) is much more liberal/open-minded when it comes to cores and such.  I've spent such a long time studying the RG cores and their differences that I tend to get a little anal about it...my fault ! But...I just want to make sure the message is clear and people know what they're going to get

That being said....Lucky, your prediction on the RR , streaks and Fuels , I feel is dead on !
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JEFF
Quit muscling it at the bottom of your swing...bonehead!

Edited on 3/5/2004 10:20 AM
Title: Re: New Roto Ressurection
Post by: Mustang Guy on March 06, 2004, 09:51:47 AM
I know you two were.  You are both right in that this ball will compare mostly to the streaks and not the fuels.

I am off to nascar to watch the busch races.

Thanks,
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Roger Noordhoek
Technical & Customer
Services Manager
Roto Grip, Inc.
888-450-6920
RogerN@rotogrip.com
www.rotogrip.com


For all your Roto Grip Logo Merchandise please visit www.rotogear.com