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Equipment Boards => Roto Grip => Topic started by: AlonzoHarris on May 19, 2017, 02:26:28 PM
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The hybrid release??...hmm
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Curious to know myself....
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Man, that title was nothing but pure "click-bait"! LOL!
I personally would love to see Roto Grip come out with a new strong hybrid in the HP4 or HP3 line. I was a big fan of the old Rogue Cell. Since Storm is giving "you all" the old/new Code Red, RG should do the same. LOL. (I don't like red colored bowling balls...)
As for the topic - pure bait! LOL! Classic!
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The hybrid release??...hmm
I'd bet on it especially with the success and Schlem posting the name
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It'll be a polished solid or a sanded pearl or hybrid!!!
Replicating the eternal or the critical theory
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Staff buddy told me shiny solid.
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Sorry.....but shiny solid is dumb or am I missing something? Couldn't you just basically shine up a no rules already and save $170???
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It'll be a polished solid or a sanded pearl or hybrid!!!
Replicating the eternal or the critical theory
Honestly, I'd be pretty disappointed if they ditched the hybrid route in favor of a shiny solid. I feel like the current Micro DNA excels on house shots as a shinier piece (lane shined or polished). If they do however, I guess I could just get a NRP and 500/4000 it.
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Sorry.....but shiny solid is dumb or am I missing something? Couldn't you just basically shine up a no rules already and save $170???
You could.
The eternal was well received...I guess that's dumb
Nomad solid that was polished, dumb too.
Those new match ups, those I guess are dumb as well.
I can keep going.
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Sorry.....but shiny solid is dumb or am I missing something? Couldn't you just basically shine up a no rules already and save $170???
You could.
The eternal was well received...I guess that's dumb
Nomad solid that was polished, dumb too.
Those new match ups, those I guess are dumb as well.
I can keep going.
I bet they're all 1500 polished too! #lame :p
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I believe the Sinister was the last HP4 hybrid Roto Grip released. It's time.
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I really hope they come out with a hybrid No Rules, if they don't and it is a polished solid, I won't get it. I will then hope they release a hybrid in the Dare Devil line.
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Sorry.....but shiny solid is dumb or am I missing something? Couldn't you just basically shine up a no rules already and save $170???
You could.
The eternal was well received...I guess that's dumb
Nomad solid that was polished, dumb too.
Those new match ups, those I guess are dumb as well.
I can keep going.
I bet they're all 1500 polished too! #lame :p
Just saying they were good Releases 😎
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Man, that title was nothing but pure "click-bait"! LOL!
I personally would love to see Roto Grip come out with a new strong hybrid in the HP4 or HP3 line. I was a big fan of the old Rogue Cell. Since Storm is giving "you all" the old/new Code Red, RG should do the same. LOL. (I don't like red colored bowling balls...)
As for the topic - pure bait! LOL! Classic!
The ball logo was posted by the roto your rep. More than bait, it "exists"
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Second logo shared by schlemmer. The next ball is called the show off. Probably hp1 or 2...Either hustle replacements or wrecker..
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Second logo shared by schlemmer. The next ball is called the show off. Probably hp1 or 2...Either hustle replacements or wrecker..
I'm really hoping Roto releases something closer to the Loco Solid. Core bigger up top and smaller on the bottom with a lower differential. Not saying Roto won't give the HP2 anothed look (since they are bound to) but I really love the Wreck Em. Going to be hard to give that ball a run!
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Showoff between Daredevils & No Rules. Big backend solid new core.
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Where can these photos be found?
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Roto_schlem on Facebook...
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Also Roto_Schlem on Twitter and Instagram.
Showoff between Daredevils & No Rules. Big backend solid new core.
Interesting. Replacement for the Haywire and/or Hy-Wire I'm guessing? Not quite the motion I thought they would address next, although I guess there aren't any big holes in their lineup. Aside from a true weaker ball of course.
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Roto has a true weaker ball in their lineup, the Hectic.
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Roto has a true weaker ball in their lineup, the Hectic.
Eh... It's probably the closest thing they have and the best fit for that use, but it's still stronger than stuff from other companies like the Tundra, Rhino, Nitrous, etc. It will more than likely be stronger than the new Turbo/R from Ebonite too. I wouldn't call it a true weaker ball.
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Showoff between Daredevils & No Rules. Big backend solid new core.
Another solid symetrical right after the trick...Dang..
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Showoff between Daredevils & No Rules. Big backend solid new core.
Another solid symetrical right after the trick...Dang..
I haven't seen anything about it being a symmetrical core. If it fits between the dare devil and no rules, I'd think asymmetric like the Critical and Ops series
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Roto has a true weaker ball in their lineup, the Hectic.
Eh... It's probably the closest thing they have and the best fit for that use, but it's still stronger than stuff from other companies like the Tundra, Rhino, Nitrous, etc. It will more than likely be stronger than the new Turbo/R from Ebonite too. I wouldn't call it a true weaker ball.
The Hectic handles medium oil and medium light after a ton of games and shined up. Not a true weaker ball. Really would like to see a planet series look .
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Showoff between Daredevils & No Rules. Big backend solid new core.
Another solid symetrical right after the trick...Dang..
I haven't seen anything about it being a symmetrical core. If it fits between the dare devil and no rules, I'd think asymmetric like the Critical and Ops series
Not shooting the ball before we see it, but can't understand why this ball is coming. Will be interesting.
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Thanks for the info about the forthcoming equipment. Keep it coming!
However, I personally think the Show Off logo leaves a bit to be desired. It gives the "buffed" guys a bad name. LOL!
Peace!
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Showoff between Daredevils & No Rules. Big backend solid new core.
Another solid symetrical right after the trick...Dang..
I haven't seen anything about it being a symmetrical core. If it fits between the dare devil and no rules, I'd think asymmetric like the Critical and Ops series
Could be assym, could be symmetrical they are replacing the wires.....
My hopeful guess is the nomad core!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I will 2nd Billdozer:
"My hopeful guess is the nomad core!!!!!!!!!!!!"
These were great balls, not as good as the RSP but close ;)
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Showoff between Daredevils & No Rules. Big backend solid new core.
Another solid symetrical right after the trick...Dang..
I haven't seen anything about it being a symmetrical core. If it fits between the dare devil and no rules, I'd think asymmetric like the Critical and Ops series
Could be assym, could be symmetrical they are replacing the wires.....
My hopeful guess is the nomad core!!!!!!!!!!!!
That would definitely peek my interest!
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I will 2nd Billdozer:
"My hopeful guess is the nomad core!!!!!!!!!!!!"
These were great balls, not as good as the RSP but close ;)
I wasn't around for the RSP, but looking at the specs, it looks like a Prodigy on steroids! Fair description?
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Yes, RSP was strong and smooth. I miss that Ball. 300,800 and 299 with it :)
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I will 2nd Billdozer:
"My hopeful guess is the nomad core!!!!!!!!!!!!"
These were great balls, not as good as the RSP but close ;)
Bowled Nats this past weekend, and Chris Schlemer was bowling on the pair beside us during teams. Really nice guy, and I talked with him for a bit about Roto Grip in general and upcoming new balls. One of the things he said was that they would not be doing the Nomad core again because of the cost to get it set up again versus the limited return they'd make if they did. He also said that the upcoming new No Rules ball was not a hybrid, but he wouldn't tell me exactly what it was going to be, and that it would be announced in a couple of weeks at some bowling manufacturers show that I can't remember the name of. So I'm guessing it's a polished solid. Btw, he was using a No Rules solid for a while and then was using a DDT, both pretty much going up 5. Tough bowling for everyone.
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He also said that the upcoming new No Rules ball was not a hybrid, but he wouldn't tell me exactly what it was going to be, and that it would be announced in a couple of weeks at some bowling manufacturers show that I can't remember the name of. So I'm guessing it's a polished solid. Btw, he was using a No Rules solid for a while and then was using a DDT, both pretty much going up 5. Tough bowling for everyone.
I guess it's not time then. :-\
It might be interested if the Exist is an even stronger solid. They did that overseas with the No Rules Extreme Solid (and Pearl). Other companies have stacked stronger solids on top of first solid releases lately too. The examples that come to mind are the Absolute Nirvana (over the Nirvana) and the Inception DCT (over the Inception).
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Both the No Rules and the DDT looked good in his hands playing the outside line he was. No problem usually getting either to the pocket hard, but it looked like carry was an issue.
PBA Sightings. Btw, I also watched Jason Couch and Dave Wodka bowl team against each other the previous afternoon, and Wodka looked great, while Couch struggled. Stu Williams and Mike Scroggins were also there watching, but never got to see them bowl. Before and after team, Couch was letting fans have their picture taken with him. Seemed friendly and having a good time.
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Staff buddy told me shiny solid.
seems staff buddy may have been right
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I know nothing about either ball yet, but I'm sure the info will get leaked soon lol.
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I guess if Roto doesn't have a big assym hybrid in the pipeline, they are deferring to Storm releasing the Code Red. And it makes sense that Storm may be watching how the timing of their releases across both labels will move buyers one way or the other.
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I guess if Roto doesn't have a big assym hybrid in the pipeline, they are deferring to Storm releasing the Code Red. And it makes sense that Storm may be watching how the timing of their releases across both labels will move buyers one way or the other.
Good point. I think Schlemmer said the original Dare Devil was supposed to be the solid but with Storm releasing the Phaze II they didn't want two somewhat similar balls hitting the market at the same time.
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Idk it's a cash grab for storm...It's another ball with the hyroad cover...I'm not complaining...But that technically is overlap!!!!
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Third logo shared...... Roto grip hot cell
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Third logo shared...... Roto grip hot cell
3 balls to go into the HP3/4 lines? Interesting
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Before and after team, Couch was letting fans have their picture taken with him. Seemed friendly and having a good time.
Couch is a nice guy. i bowled a pro am with him about 10 years ago and he was very into having a good time with fans. same thing when he was at a EBI demo a few years ago. im a fan of him.
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Third logo shared...... Roto grip hot cell
4th*
New hustle coming out too. With a modified cover I think he said
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He said a brand new cover for the next Hustle. Interesting. Might be a solid.
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If it says Hustle on it, zero interest here. Way too strong for price point and not a great core/cover match. If the cover strength matches the core, too strong of a ball, and if it doesn't, you have the PRO and SAY which were over/under like crazy until you adjusted the surfaces.
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I like my Hustle POW (shot 729 out of the box at a tournament), but it is much stronger than advertised. It isn't much of a step down from my Code Black, NRP, Daredevil and Trick. Certainly not a ball down during my summer league. Mine isn't even drilled strong. I still need a true light oil ball or two.
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If it says Hustle on it, zero interest here. Way too strong for price point and not a great core/cover match. If the cover strength matches the core, too strong of a ball, and if it doesn't, you have the PRO and SAY which were over/under like crazy until you adjusted the surfaces.
Right, my thinking is that if the new Hustle does have a stronger/solid coverstock it might be a pretty natural step down from the Dare Devil Trick. The Wreck-It is too strong to be considered as such and the shape is different anyways.
Never going to trust that core or one with similar numbers to be a real options for drier conditions.
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Yeah there's just no way . . the diff is HIGHER than the IQ Tour core, and the RG isn't that much higher. I like the idea, it just doesn't work with weaker covers, way too rolly.
If it says Hustle on it, zero interest here. Way too strong for price point and not a great core/cover match. If the cover strength matches the core, too strong of a ball, and if it doesn't, you have the PRO and SAY which were over/under like crazy until you adjusted the surfaces.
Right, my thinking is that if the new Hustle does have a stronger/solid coverstock it might be a pretty natural step down from the Dare Devil Trick. The Wreck-It is too strong to be considered as such and the shape is different anyways.
Never going to trust that core or one with similar numbers to be a real options for drier conditions.
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A dual color Hustle Urethane would be cool.
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Now that I could see. That core might be really good for one of these newer urethanes.
Not a direction I think Roto will go given their smaller catalog, but I can dig that.
A dual color Hustle Urethane would be cool.
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A dual color Hustle Urethane would be cool.
That could be really interesting if that was the case, but I wouldn't bet on it
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I like my Hustle POW (shot 729 out of the box at a tournament), but it is much stronger than advertised. It isn't much of a step down from my Code Black, NRP, Daredevil and Trick. Certainly not a ball down during my summer league. Mine isn't even drilled strong. I still need a true light oil ball or two.
Stop yourself. This is where the line gets blurred on house vs something that shows the true difference between bowling balls. To say there isn't much of a step down from a NRP or a DDT to a Hustle is false and I'd argue reckless to even suggest such a claim.
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The Hustle PRO I recently tested was much stronger than I expected. It was much stronger than my Boost. It also outhooked my Unhinged. It revved up more than my 4 inch pin Hy-Road (2.52 .058) but didn't continue to continue from deeper angles. The Hy-Road responded to friction just as much, but continued in the spot that the PRO seemed to have an OOB. I guess if the PRO had a layout and surface to kick it up, would be kinda like a benchmark. But as mentioned, not for light oil lol. This testing was on WB Seoul.
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The issue is all cover on the Hustles. I quite like the core, with an HP2 strength cover, it might be a nice addition there. For my PRO and SAY to work, had to go weaker layout because more flare on a cover that's too weak to begin with will just make it worse, stronger roll with same traction, then I had to go 1000 polish to get it to read right without being early or pukey. Had to be polished to get down the lane, but have a strong undergrit to read in the mids at all. What they tried to do was get stability and control out of the core and fit it into HP1 with a super weak cover and they just don't match up. Storm's Ride was one of the best true dry lane balls that's been out in a while. Tropicals are too over/under, Hustle cores are way too strong, the Ride was just right.
The Hustle PRO I recently tested was much stronger than I expected. It was much stronger than my Boost. It also outhooked my Unhinged. It revved up more than my 4 inch pin Hy-Road (2.52 .058) but didn't continue to continue from deeper angles. The Hy-Road responded to friction just as much, but continued in the spot that the PRO seemed to have an OOB. I guess if the PRO had a layout and surface to kick it up, would be kinda like a benchmark. But as mentioned, not for light oil lol. This testing was on WB Seoul.
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A urethane Hustle would be cool. Schlem did say it's a cover nobody has seen... But yeah I wouldn't bet on it.
I don't know what it is but Roto Grip's lineup is consistently one of the most interesting to me.
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Roto pushes it a bit. Storm makes really safe stuff, stuff that's going to be good for a lot of people on a lot of conditions. Roto goes for a bit more specific reactions. The Trick isn't something that's going to be great for the average league bowler on the average house shot, but it's the best tournament ball on the market right now. Both No Rules don't do anything exciting, they're just really solid. HP2 line is ALL OVER THE PLACE. Until they discontinued the Hectic and Wrecker, you could literally make a pretty solid "arsenal" just out of that line. If it was food, Roto would be big flavors, and Storm would be bar food.
A urethane Hustle would be cool. Schlem did say it's a cover nobody has seen... But yeah I wouldn't bet on it.
I don't know what it is but Roto Grip's lineup is consistently one of the most interesting to me.
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Roto pushes it a bit. Storm makes really safe stuff, stuff that's going to be good for a lot of people on a lot of conditions. Roto goes for a bit more specific reactions. The Trick isn't something that's going to be great for the average league bowler on the average house shot, but it's the best tournament ball on the market right now. Both No Rules don't do anything exciting, they're just really solid. HP2 line is ALL OVER THE PLACE. Until they discontinued the Hectic and Wrecker, you could literally make a pretty solid "arsenal" just out of that line. If it was food, Roto would be big flavors, and Storm would be bar food.
A urethane Hustle would be cool. Schlem did say it's a cover nobody has seen... But yeah I wouldn't bet on it.
I don't know what it is but Roto Grip's lineup is consistently one of the most interesting to me.
Well i have always thought that the storm and roto lines fit in between each other myself.
The brands are not as simple as they used to be though....they're getting quite expanded now lol.
Like the hp2 would fit "typically" in-between storms hot line and thunder line. Then hp3 then master...
Tropical
Hp1
Hot
Hp2
Thunder
Hp3
Master
Hp4
Premier
Not every ball fits this like the wrecker being much stronger than an hp2 ball or thunder even.
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Hustle Hard would be an awesome name.
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Hustle Hard would be an awesome name.
That would be the pearl urethane. Blue Pearl Hammer style.
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Yeah that's exactly how it works actually. Or that's the intent anyway.
Roto pushes it a bit. Storm makes really safe stuff, stuff that's going to be good for a lot of people on a lot of conditions. Roto goes for a bit more specific reactions. The Trick isn't something that's going to be great for the average league bowler on the average house shot, but it's the best tournament ball on the market right now. Both No Rules don't do anything exciting, they're just really solid. HP2 line is ALL OVER THE PLACE. Until they discontinued the Hectic and Wrecker, you could literally make a pretty solid "arsenal" just out of that line. If it was food, Roto would be big flavors, and Storm would be bar food.
A urethane Hustle would be cool. Schlem did say it's a cover nobody has seen... But yeah I wouldn't bet on it.
I don't know what it is but Roto Grip's lineup is consistently one of the most interesting to me.
Well i have always thought that the storm and roto lines fit in between each other myself.
The brands are not as simple as they used to be though....they're getting quite expanded now lol.
Like the hp2 would fit "typically" in-between storms hot line and thunder line. Then hp3 then master...
Tropical
Hp1
Hot
Hp2
Thunder
Hp3
Master
Hp4
Premier
Not every ball fits this like the wrecker being much stronger than an hp2 ball or thunder even.
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Yeah that's exactly how it works actually. Or that's the intent anyway.
Roto pushes it a bit. Storm makes really safe stuff, stuff that's going to be good for a lot of people on a lot of conditions. Roto goes for a bit more specific reactions. The Trick isn't something that's going to be great for the average league bowler on the average house shot, but it's the best tournament ball on the market right now. Both No Rules don't do anything exciting, they're just really solid. HP2 line is ALL OVER THE PLACE. Until they discontinued the Hectic and Wrecker, you could literally make a pretty solid "arsenal" just out of that line. If it was food, Roto would be big flavors, and Storm would be bar food.
A urethane Hustle would be cool. Schlem did say it's a cover nobody has seen... But yeah I wouldn't bet on it.
I don't know what it is but Roto Grip's lineup is consistently one of the most interesting to me.
Well i have always thought that the storm and roto lines fit in between each other myself.
The brands are not as simple as they used to be though....they're getting quite expanded now lol.
Like the hp2 would fit "typically" in-between storms hot line and thunder line. Then hp3 then master...
Tropical
Hp1
Hot
Hp2
Thunder
Hp3
Master
Hp4
Premier
Not every ball fits this like the wrecker being much stronger than an hp2 ball or thunder even.
Right!!!
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I have thrown it on sport shots as well. I don't see the step down that it should be. And even on a house shot where there is more oil in the middle, it should not be making a similar turn to the Code Black. Not when one is supposed to be for medium to heavy oil and the other should be for light oil... at least what they are selling it as.
Again, pretty good ball, but not a light oil piece. And I'm certainly not the only one seeing it.
I like my Hustle POW (shot 729 out of the box at a tournament), but it is much stronger than advertised. It isn't much of a step down from my Code Black, NRP, Daredevil and Trick. Certainly not a ball down during my summer league. Mine isn't even drilled strong. I still need a true light oil ball or two.
Stop yourself. This is where the line gets blurred on house vs something that shows the true difference between bowling balls. To say there isn't much of a step down from a NRP or a DDT to a Hustle is false and I'd argue reckless to even suggest such a claim.
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I have thrown it on sport shots as well. I don't see the step down that it should be. And even on a house shot where there is more oil in the middle, it should not be making a similar turn to the Code Black. Not when one is supposed to be for medium to heavy oil and the other should be for light oil... at least what they are selling it as.
Again, pretty good ball, but not a light oil piece. And I'm certainly not the only one seeing it.
I like my Hustle POW (shot 729 out of the box at a tournament), but it is much stronger than advertised. It isn't much of a step down from my Code Black, NRP, Daredevil and Trick. Certainly not a ball down during my summer league. Mine isn't even drilled strong. I still need a true light oil ball or two.
Stop yourself. This is where the line gets blurred on house vs something that shows the true difference between bowling balls. To say there isn't much of a step down from a NRP or a DDT to a Hustle is false and I'd argue reckless to even suggest such a claim.
My point is on house balls are generally sucked back to the pocket.
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Looks like the hot cell will be the only one we won't get as all others were officially announced today
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Hot Cell is in there. Urethane coverstock over the Nucleus core
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Ibrandbowling on Instagram has photos of all the new ones.
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Did anyone else see this coming from Roto? Stronger No Rules and a n HP2 ball with the OG No Rules cover? Wow.
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The Hustle Ink looks like an !Q Tour Solid.
If the Hot Cell is a urethane... whoa. That would be a bold move.
Stronger No Rules isn't a big surprise considering what they did internationally.
Show Off has the No Rules cover? On a HP2 core? Hmm... they were missing a solid in that line, but to go that strong is surprising. But the Hustle Ink should cover the medium-low solid reaction so it fits.
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My point is on house balls are generally sucked back to the pocket.
Oh, I definitely agree with you.
I'm sure some crankers will see more difference in balls from top to bottom than I will - as someone who mainly plays straighter, but I would still like to see a little more separation than I am seeing. I still need to get a light oil ball now that I've sold pretty much everything except Storm/RG. Still have the purple and black Hammer urethanes. Thought about the Match Ups, but they look like they could be similar to the Hustles.
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These are the type of releases that can send companies into bowling purgatory.
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These are the type of releases that can send companies into bowling purgatory.
A lot of Storm and Roto is used in my area of Southern Utah but I don't see any of these 4 selling well around me
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The Hustle Ink looks like an !Q Tour Solid.
If the Hot Cell is a urethane... whoa. That would be a bold move.
Stronger No Rules isn't a big surprise considering what they did internationally.
Show Off has the No Rules cover? On a HP2 core? Hmm... they were missing a solid in that line, but to go that strong is surprising. But the Hustle Ink should cover the medium-low solid reaction so it fits.
The showoff is the same relationship that the hyper cell and haywire had. HOW is that suprising...they even wrote it on the wall for us...by discontinuing the haywire.
Makes sense now
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Where are you all seeing this information? I don't see it on their site or on Facebook...
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The Hustle Ink looks like an !Q Tour Solid.
If the Hot Cell is a urethane... whoa. That would be a bold move.
Stronger No Rules isn't a big surprise considering what they did internationally.
Show Off has the No Rules cover? On a HP2 core? Hmm... they were missing a solid in that line, but to go that strong is surprising. But the Hustle Ink should cover the medium-low solid reaction so it fits.
The showoff is the same relationship that the hyper cell and haywire had. HOW is that suprising...they even wrote it on the wall for us...by discontinuing the haywire.
Makes sense now
I can rarely use a Haywire, and I have a No rules with about 15-20 games on it. I'll most likely have to use a long pin and shine the Showoff, if I get it.
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No Rules Exist
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/6376494025ddb31730fed7ac5/files/636b3add-e8ba-40f8-bff0-fd17c435ed98/No_Rules_EXIST_Tech_Sheet.pdf
Show Off
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/6376494025ddb31730fed7ac5/files/2f791722-2392-4b5c-be07-4a5f316e3c62/Show_Off_Tech_Sheet.pdf
Hustle Ink
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/6376494025ddb31730fed7ac5/files/1e0a7cb1-b843-441f-8d5b-8fe072fed58c/Hustle_INK_Tech_Sheet.pdf
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They are billing the Hustle INK as a smoother, reaction-blending option for drier lanes. Cool. Could this be Roto Grip's version of a weaker !Q Tour Solid? Already went stronger with the Dare Devil Trick. If it has that kind of reaction and shape for lighter oil holy cow look out this could be a monster for certain sport shots.
Look at those core numbers for the Show Off. Pairing that with the coverstock from the No Rules is really interesting.
No Rules Exist uses the same cover as the Dare Devil Trick. Hmm... not sure if that means it's actually stronger than the original No Rules.
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Yes but looking at it, the placed the Show Off with the No Rules original cover in the HP2 category...
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Show Off peaked my interest the most but! I feel it'll be another Haywire experience so probably skipping all these.
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They are billing the Hustle INK as a smoother, reaction-blending option for drier lanes. Cool. Could this be Roto Grip's version of a weaker !Q Tour Solid? Already went stronger with the Dare Devil Trick. If it has that kind of reaction and shape for lighter oil holy cow look out this could be a monster for certain sport shots.
Look at those core numbers for the Show Off. Pairing that with the coverstock from the No Rules is really interesting.
No Rules Exist uses the same cover as the Dare Devil Trick. Hmm... not sure if that means it's actually stronger than the original No Rules.
I'd bet my house this Hustle Ink won't be in the same hemisphere as a IQT.
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Yes but looking at it, the placed the Show Off with the No Rules original cover in the HP2 category...
This really pisses me off. It tells me A) we paid premium price for a cover now in the HP2 line or B) the ball will be so cover strong you'll have to drill many or tinker with surface to get it right. Roto has been in the groove a while, then they started making relatively blah balls until the Disturbed put them back on the map. I fee they are headed down that "meh" road again. I just may re-up with a Marvel Pearl, Phaze II, and a IQ Tour. Real balls, not this throw shit against the wall and hope it sticks method of releasing balls.
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So what is the no rules exist actually going to be some places say shiny solid others say hybrid and some say sanded solid just with a weaker cover then the original no rules looking for something to fit between my no rules and code black and depending on the coverstock this just might do the trick was also thinking about that hot cell since on roto grips website it shows the hook potential being close to the original no rules
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So what is the no rules exist actually going to be some places say shiny solid others say hybrid and some say sanded solid just with a weaker cover then the original no rules looking for something to fit between my no rules and code black and depending on the coverstock this jus might do the trick was also thinking about that hot cell since on roto grips website it shows the hook potential being close to the original no rules
The No Rules Exist uses the Dare Devil Trick cover (earlier cover). The Hot Cell is urethane.
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Yes but looking at it, the placed the Show Off with the No Rules original cover in the HP2 category...
This really pisses me off. It tells me A) we paid premium price for a cover now in the HP2 line or B) the ball will be so cover strong you'll have to drill many or tinker with surface to get it right. Roto has been in the groove a while, then they started making relatively blah balls until the Disturbed put them back on the map. I fee they are headed down that "meh" road again. I just may re-up with a Marvel Pearl, Phaze II, and a IQ Tour. Real balls, not this throw shit against the wall and hope it sticks method of releasing balls.
Love that last sentence! Man I'm real confused. With so many people talking about wanting a ball to fit between the original no Rules and the pearl, I thought for sure it would be a hybrid or at least a weaker solid. And the Show Off, really didn't see that coming.
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So what is the no rules exist actually going to be some places say shiny solid others say hybrid and some say sanded solid just with a weaker cover then the original no rules looking for something to fit between my no rules and code black and depending on the coverstock this just might do the trick was also thinking about that hot cell since on roto grips website it shows the hook potential being close to the original no rules
This is why they are making these balls that make no sense. I hate to break the news, you don't need a ball between a No Rules and a Code Black. The "machine" makes you think you do.
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yeah cause it's not like there's been times where my no rules has been to early but my code black has been to angular thanks for figuring out what I might need without ever seeing me throw a ball
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yeah cause it's not like there's been times where my no rules has been to early but my code black has been to angular thanks for figuring out what I might need without ever seeing me throw a ball
I'm no expert but I'd imagine a code red would fit between a no rules pearl and a code black.
But to mirror what the other poster said. There's not a huge enough gap between those balls to really try and place another ball between. Now if your code black is pin up, I may suggest another code black pin down
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Hey, remember the days when a bowler would, ya know, alter his release to get a different ball reaction? Those were the days!
You don't need a pin down between a pin up code black and a No Rules. You either need some surface changes or some damn lessons.
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Hey, remember the days when a bowler would, ya know, alter his release to get a different ball reaction? Those were the days!
You don't need a pin down between a pin up code black and a No Rules. You either need some surface changes or some damn lessons.
Nope, you can't say that. You haven't seen him bowl. He told me himself.
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Hey, remember the days when a bowler would, ya know, alter his release to get a different ball reaction? Those were the days!
You don't need a pin down between a pin up code black and a No Rules. You either need some surface changes or some damn lessons.
Nope, you can't say that. You haven't seen him bowl. He told me himself.
Dang! I guess another ball really IS the answer!