......does NOT come close to its intended reactions on their given lane conditions.  Balls I've thrown are silver streak solid and pearl, global assault, assault pearl, sonic x and retro blue.

Everyone knows what I think of the SSP and the Retro blue, but recently I threw 3 sonics all drilled differently and on med-dry it does not get an 8 for length and a 6 for backend like the web site says.  Its actually more aggressive than many of my other balls.  Will roll up early and hard on med-dry.  On this condition I give it 3 for length and an 8 for backend.


I like Roto stuff but I am in the dark if I were to guess what their reactions would be prior to throwing them.  The ball that has been closest to what they rate is the Assault Pearl but other than that all the other have been way off.  Good or bad?  I dunno.  They are good balls so maybe they are just "misstated."


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pchee2<~~~strokin the ball with cranker revs and spraying the lanes for an average of a buck 62.  This guy is full of STUFF!

Edited on 4/23/2003 9:01 PM

You are right 100% presto, it is unfortunate people use these open forums to fight back and forth.  I am surprised this wasn't stopped long ago, but I guess no one felt the need to jump in and stop it.  Just got worse and worse.  Again I apologize for my actions, but things got personal.

Thanks,
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Roger Noordhoek
Technical & Customer
Services Manager
Roto Grip, Inc.

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Roger Noordhoek
Technical & Customer
Services Manager
Roto Grip, Inc.

I personally and whole heartedly believe that this post is the most productive roto post ever on BR.  All those other type of posts "Mustang guy what's next", "How do I drill my silver streak?", "Should I sand my ball?" are the most boring posts I've seen.  All those posts are good cures for insomnia.  In contrast, this post is one that gives Roto actual feedback from their customers and this is the first of its kind with so many responses.  Furthermore, we got to see how Roger's personality really is on a personal level.  Lets get a few things straight without making presumptions.  I'll keep my list to a max of 10:

1.  I do miss Clutch

2.  Putting you down does not make me feel better, although it may make me laugh a whole lot.

3.  My ego does not get offended here on BR or anywhere online.  It may get frustrated because time and time again I have stated that bowlers are NOT the sharpest tools in the shed and yet bowlers still prove that theory is correct.

4.  I think presto should go away because he is annoying.  

5.  This post was in no way personal to me.  I tried to drive a point home but I know that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

6.  I think its pretty cool that you come here as a representative of Roto to help people out, but I don't think its cool that you have to state it several times as if you want kudos and recognition for it.

7.  There is nothing wrong with fighting back and forth its rather enjoyable and many things can be learned from the disputes/conversations.  

8.  I didn't call you and my reasons were stated very clearly in a previous reply so I am not going to repeat them.  It had nothing to do with respect.  In fact you have my email address so you could have contacted me too.  However, my objective was not to talk with you my objective was to find out other people's opinions on Roto's charts.  You weren't even a part of the initial equation.  

9.   Michelle is yummy!

10.  presto needs to go away because he's annoying.


SrKegler you sly old dog trying to get some comps.  LOL.  I do know what you mean by bowlers not wanting to buy something weak.  They always seem to want something super strong then they drill it max lev.  Ughhhhh!  Yeah I know that hook sells.  More hook more hook its exactly what bowlers need, or what they think they need.  

CYR how did you drill your stuff?  Curious to see how it acts in the hands of a semi-manly man with semi-manly revs and hog heaven CPL's on the prowl.  I had a blaze and it was very aggressive and very angular.  It would make a left turn on a dime.






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pchee2<~~~strokin the ball with cranker revs and spraying the lanes for an average of a buck 62.  This guy is full of STUFF!

Edited on 5/1/2003 3:09 AM

I think this is a great discussion.  I wish we developed more post just like this with other companies.  We use to get some from Ebonite and a little from others, but they slowed down.

A while back when the Super Power Pearl and the Retro Blue came out I asked around what ball has the most/strongest backend reaction and both the Retro Blue and the Super Power Pearl were brought up in conversation together.  I personnaly feel that both Storm and Roto Grip develop very angular equipment even to date.  The Assualt Pearl wsn't near so angular, but I thought the best ball Roto Grip developed to date IMHO.  The Silver Streaks are also advertised as being very angular.  There is nothing wrong with that.  They are what they are, very strong bowling balls.  No need to defend anything else.  What the Roto Grip ball charts are Roto Grips, compare them to each other, not Lane 1, Brunswick or Ebonite.  Now there's a company with bad customer service.  I like the debates that Pchee2 starts, but thats because I know him personally and his is a great guy. Roger seems to be a fine young man that is way too sensative and needs to let things roll off his neck.  No one would think him a weaker person.

Roto Grip has outstanding bowling balls.  Alomst something for everyone.  You don't need to corner the market on every type model series of bowling balls.


THE SONIC X IS NOT A DRY LANE BALL.  Even for someone that throws the ball as weak as I do.  Some bowlers can throw any ball and make it look weak, its all in the release.  I seen this at the US Open.  But to us mortal humans, its not a dry lane ball, but could act as a great short oil strong back ends swing ball IMHO.

These type of post do not need to end.  It adds life to Ballreviews without all the name calling and swearing

V/R,
Nicanor

Verry funny Nicanor.  I have no idea who Presto is and have no need to make up other SN's.  I think presto is trying to be mr mediator and nothing more.  He has emailed me on several occasions regarding mine and Pchee's actions.  

Thanks,
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Roger Noordhoek
Technical & Customer
Services Manager
Roto Grip, Inc.

All this ball charts about Roto Grip made me pull out my old Roto Grip Blue pearl and test it against the Silver Streak pearl, Threat, Cherry Bomb, Smash/R and the Lane 1 XL. All bowling balls were drilled similar but not the same.

The lane conditions were wood, morning senior oil about 12 hours old and one senior league already done.  So the outsides were very dry shorter oil and the back ends very strong.  I should have bought the Sonic X also, it usually works well on this condition.

The Threat handled this condition best for me standing 32 swinging through 17 to about 8 and back.  Not flippy, but strong and carried very well.

Silver Streak Pearl, I had to move one board left to 33 playing around 17/18 out to 8 and back.  Stronger backend movement then the Threat, but that was extected.

Then I tried the Blue pearl.  Both the Threat and SSP were in box condition, but several months ago, I took some polish off the Blue pearl to give me a better read.  Had to move three boards right, plat 15/16 out to 8 (the break point I was playing) and the ball read the lane very well and arced to the pocket with great control, but still strong, not as strong as the other two, but that was expected since it wasn't polished. But the ball ws strong, had great carry.

Smash/R seemd to roll out with these conditions.  There was no comparison.  Smash/R hit flat unless I really kept the speed up.

Cherry Bomb, Just too much ball.  never quit but very hard to keep right of the head pin.

Lane 1 XL, The dry lanes gave the XL all the help it needed.  I could move a litle further right, not have to swing the ball near as much and it saved enmough energy to carry the pocket.

All in all, I think the Threat and the SSP wsa the better ball (of the ones I had with me) for this condition.  The SSP has plenty of core/weightblock power to carry the pocket.

This was just my observation without looking at ball charts.  Who cares about ball charts, they are just advertisement gimmicks.

V/R,
Nicanor

Edited on 5/1/2003 9:01 PM

What is this???  Presto is actually Roger under a different screen name?   Oh man this is getting good.  No wonder why presto is annoying.  It all adds up now.  Presto is just a nicer personality of mustang guy.....his alter ego who is now aiding Roger into accepting what I say even though it hurts him worse than pulling teeth.   Good job on that one you definitely tricked me Roger.

Well, Nicanor's and Strider's reviews are exactly why I think there should be ratings of 3 different mainstream styles of bowlers.  In Nicanors hand, however miniscule it may be, the SSP was weaker than the Threat.  In contrast, in a manly man's hand like myself The Peach the SSP is a TON stronger than the Threat.  I use the SSP on oilier conditions than I do with the Threat.   The SSP is both more angular and earlier.  Nicanor got to see this at Holiday bowl where I was able to use the threat but the SSP was too much.  And for me the Blue outbackends them all.  

And I do agree with Strider the SSP is an awesome inside ball.  That is the only time I use it.   But strider can you imagine me trying to play down and in with it?  LMAO!  

So far just by seeing me throw the ball there has been 8 different people that have bought SSP's and 3 that haves bought retro blues.  Like I said, over and over again I do like Roto stuff.  Studies reveal that an average person needs to read something 3.62 times before it actually sinks in.  So far I've stated that I liked Roto stuff 6 times in this post.  So much for the 3.62.......now what does that say about Roto's "employee" who reads this site?




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pchee2<~~~strokin the ball with cranker revs and spraying the lanes for an average of a buck 62.  This guy is full of STUFF!