Post by: agroves on November 20, 2007, 01:56:18 PM
I drilled it:
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4 1/2 pin to pap SLIGHTLY above and to the right of my ring, 60* layout. I've tried this ball at box(2000), 1000 and 2000+polish. I'm just not that satisified with it. It is a good ball, don't get me wrong, but isn't "WOW". My raging red fuze is more angular that this is. I drilled this ball up specifically to have that one big backend ball.
With all that said, our house shot is pretty slick across the board. Everybody with speed is using sanded, fine or otherwise, and only the extremely heavy handed guys are playing around the 3rd arrow. I will try the ball at another house before I make the final judgement, but right now I'm not all that thrilled.
I figured this ball would allow me to move alittle left and bump the "track area" but it really hasn't. Honestly, it could be my style, b/c I haven't found anything that has worked week in and week out yet. I've tried the following: see profile, I've tried them all. If I sand something down to read the lane earlier, it does and hits like a marshmallow and if I polish something it squirts.....
Ugh....
Andrew
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After 4 consecutive high shots, I told my wife "They aren't saying boo, they're saying MOOOOOOOVE".
Post by: Raven829 on November 21, 2007, 04:33:05 AM
You're not the only person that is disappointed with this ball. The original Epic is by far the best ball I have ever used. I picked up the Odyssey to go above it thinking that I would get a similar reaction, but on a "heavier" condition. Same layout. Epic at 800, Odyssey at 4000. The ball is alright, but not at all what I was expecting. It is early and very even, with very little pop on the back. I have messed with the surface a lot and found nothing that works. I had the weighthole plugged and moved, which helped slow the transition down some, but unless I really come around the ball, it just kind of pukes on the backend. I can't even get rid of it on here.
Don
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Post by: DP3 on November 21, 2007, 08:51:52 AM
I drilled a Saga for BMM with the pin approx 4 1/4 from his PAP and a 75deg MB and he can let you know how much it wheels down the lane. I have also drilled two Odysseys for customers for a strong backend with the MB positions at 90 deg for the higher rev guy and 75deg for the lower rev/spinner. 4 1/2" pin placements on both and some polish and those also turn the corner very hard.
Your layout wants to promote more of a strong revving midlane. Typical rule of thumb on MB degrees are 45-60* = Strong & Angular for any MB Diff rating of .018 and below, 90-75 for strong & angular for any MB diff of .020 and above. When you get into strong solid reactive vs. pearls and particle pearls, you also have to think of another layout tweak. Typically pin higher above the midline and added polish.
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Post by: agroves on November 21, 2007, 09:39:15 AM
andrew
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FUFU
After 4 consecutive high shots, I told my wife "They aren't saying boo, they're saying MOOOOOOOVE".
Post by: thirtyclean on November 21, 2007, 10:14:48 AM
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Post by: agroves on November 21, 2007, 10:26:45 AM
Andrew
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FUFU
After 4 consecutive high shots, I told my wife "They aren't saying boo, they're saying MOOOOOOOVE".
Post by: Raven829 on November 21, 2007, 02:41:42 PM
I understand what you are saying, but it is not true in my case. I've had no problems getting a Resurgence to turn the corner even with a lower pin position (yes I know, 2 different beasts, but similar in strength). My release allows me to wheel a Mercury quite a bit on the right conditions also.
I think that I underestimated the strength of the Maximus II core. Like DP3 said, the thing spins up incredibly fast, not leaving much for the backend. I'm not sure what the MB angle on mine is, but I'd guess it's around 55 degrees. I may plug and redrill it, but more likely I will give it to my father.
Don
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"On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage. Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me. The problem we have to address more than anything is the home run problem."
~Dusty Baker being a total fool
Post by: toomanytenpins on November 21, 2007, 06:24:48 PM
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Post by: BackToBasics on November 21, 2007, 07:22:46 PM
Just like Mark said, oftentimes I see guys try to force a reaction or shot that is simply not there...no matter what ball you get.
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Post by: agroves on November 21, 2007, 10:27:24 PM
Andrew
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FUFU
After 4 consecutive high shots, I told my wife "They aren't saying boo, they're saying MOOOOOOOVE".
Post by: LuckyLefty on November 21, 2007, 10:53:23 PM
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: agroves on November 23, 2007, 08:18:39 PM
Here is a pic:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z89/beannfufu/Bowling/100_1105.jpg
If I still don't like it I've got a buyer lined up and an Illusion I've got my eye on!
Andrew
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FUFU
After 4 consecutive high shots, I told my wife "They aren't saying boo, they're saying MOOOOOOOVE".
Post by: toomanytenpins on November 24, 2007, 07:13:18 PM
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Post by: Joe Jr on November 24, 2007, 08:04:33 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on November 24, 2007, 08:24:40 PM
Didn't you have a problem with a Immortal Solid drilled much the same? Just wondering.
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Post by: pjr300 on November 24, 2007, 08:30:45 PM
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....4 1/2 pin to pap SLIGHTLY above and to the right of my ring, 60* layout. I've tried this ball at box(2000), 1000 and 2000+polish. I'm just not that satisified with it. It is a good ball, don't get me wrong, but isn't "WOW". My raging red fuze is more angular that this is. I drilled this ball up specifically to have that one big backend ball.
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Well a solid is never going to be too angular.
I shot a 299 with mine on a Sport shot this summer. Similar pin and MB to yours, more of a 75* layout. Great ball for the right condition!
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Post by: agroves on November 24, 2007, 11:07:47 PM
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Andrew,
Didn't you have a problem with a Immortal Solid drilled much the same? Just wondering.
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Actually, yes I did. I'm beginning to believe that strong assy cores aren't any good for me.
Toomanytenpins, see profile.
pjr300, a solid can't be angular? You should see my raging red fuze. For some bowlers with higher speeds, the best angular ball is a solid resin drilled somewhat aggresive and then polished.
Andrew
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FUFU
After 4 consecutive high shots, I told my wife "They aren't saying boo, they're saying MOOOOOOOVE".
Post by: agroves on November 24, 2007, 11:14:19 PM
The ball performs in carrydown, which makes me think the ball needs some polish for the house shot. But, when I polish it for the house shot it becomes a dart. I am trying 500 with polish tomorrow. Depending on the result from that I'm gonna try 4000 no polish, if that doesn't help I don't know if I'm gonna keep it.
Andrew
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FUFU
After 4 consecutive high shots, I told my wife "They aren't saying boo, they're saying MOOOOOOOVE".
Post by: Juggernaut on November 24, 2007, 11:18:51 PM
quote:quote:
Andrew,
Didn't you have a problem with a Immortal Solid drilled much the same? Just wondering.
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Scott
Actually, yes I did. I'm beginning to believe that strong assy cores aren't any good for me.
Toomanytenpins, see profile.
pjr300, a solid can't be angular? You should see my raging red fuze. For some bowlers with higher speeds, the best angular ball is a solid resin drilled somewhat aggresive and then polished.
Andrew
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FUFU
After 4 consecutive high shots, I told my wife "They aren't saying boo, they're saying MOOOOOOOVE".
I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure the raging red fuze was a pearl ball......
Could it have been one of those covers ( like the Smash/R ) that looked pearl but actually wasn't?
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Post by: agroves on November 25, 2007, 04:50:47 AM
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I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure the raging red fuze was a pearl ball......
Could it have been one of those covers ( like the Smash/R ) that looked pearl but actually wasn't?
According to bwicks site, it doesn't say anything about being pearl. It is an "aggressive reactive cover based on the popluar powerkoil 18 coverstock".
Andrew
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FUFU
After 4 consecutive high shots, I told my wife "They aren't saying boo, they're saying MOOOOOOOVE".
Post by: Joe Jr on November 25, 2007, 07:06:48 AM
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And yeah, I do know it all.. I don't spend 30+ hours a week learning more about bowling for my heatlh... I do it so I know more than all of you.. which I do. (besides the random few that are staffers/work in the bowling business.. which that population is decreasing little by little)
Post by: agroves on November 25, 2007, 10:59:16 AM
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Raging Red was PK18Pearl.
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I guess we'll take your word for it.
Andrew
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FUFU
After 4 consecutive high shots, I told my wife "They aren't saying boo, they're saying MOOOOOOOVE".
Post by: agroves on November 25, 2007, 09:23:31 PM
Andrew
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FUFU
After 4 consecutive high shots, I told my wife "They aren't saying boo, they're saying MOOOOOOOVE".
Post by: Djarum on November 27, 2007, 07:22:06 AM
Dj
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Post by: toomanytenpins on November 27, 2007, 05:22:09 PM
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Post by: agroves on November 27, 2007, 10:42:44 PM
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as far as scoring goes ,what does angularity have to do with it. It to me is like having different gym shoes and saying one pair makes your jump shot better. If i throw the ball and it has an angular reaction i play it for what it has,if it has a strong arch i play that. Or does and angular ball strike more than a strong arch, i will take my hard arching odyssey any day.
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Angularity can play a certain part in carry. My issue is I drilled this ball expecting a certain reaction, but due to my choice in layout or perhaps my style it doesn't work for me. Oh well, I certainly not bashing the ball by any means. Sometimes we find balls that just don't work for us and this happens to be one for me.
Andrew
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FUFU
After 4 consecutive high shots, I told my wife "They aren't saying boo, they're saying MOOOOOOOVE".
Post by: scotts33 on November 27, 2007, 10:57:47 PM
Yep, we sure don't match up with every ball out there. Takes a big person to say that they aren't doing well with so and so ball with all the yes men around BR.com. I've gotta say my favorite company and I over the last few balls don't match up either. Least I don't have a lot of $$$ invested.
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Post by: Strider on November 28, 2007, 07:45:55 AM
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