Author Topic: About the "additives" in the ROGUE CELL (Read 4125 times)

Ric Clint · « **on:** February 16, 2009, 11:46:44 AM »

What exactly are these "additives"?

Are they Particles or Mica? I hope not, with all the controversy surrounding "ball death" from Particles balls which come from sanding those types of balls and wearing the Particles down?

Everybody remember the old Track HEAT 2 Pearl that had MICA in it... I know several people that had those balls and they lost reaction after about 50 games or so.

Thanks!

Ric Clint · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2009, 06:56:53 PM »

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All mica is in modern balls is the material that makes it pearlized. Mica is no longer used as a particle because there are much better materials that can be used.

So MICA was onced used as a Particle? If MICA is now used to make a Pearl ball "pearlized" by making the Coverstock harder so that the ball will skid in the Oil better... then how was it used years ago as a Particle, which is designed to make a ball hook through Oil?

Does it have something to do with the size (or amount) of the MICA that determines the difference?

I'm confused! If somebody can clear this up for me, I'd really appreciate it!

Thanks!

charlest · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2009, 07:22:57 PM »

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All mica is in modern balls is the material that makes it pearlized. Mica is no longer used as a particle because there are much better materials that can be used.

So MICA was onced used as a Particle? If MICA is now used to make a Pearl ball "pearlized" by making the Coverstock harder

Ric,

You're skipping parts of what Locke and I wrote.

Mice does NOT make the coverstock harder. It makes it less elastic. The hardness rating is the same, in general, for solids and for pearls.

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so that the ball will skid in the Oil better... then how was it used years ago as a Particle, which is designed to make a ball hook through Oil?

Does it have something to do with the size (or amount) of the MICA that determines the difference?

Yes, it's the size. I wrote that above. Perhaps you read it too fast?

Very Small pieces of mica used to be (probably still are) added to solid resin to make balls' shells less elastic, not harder.
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Larger pieces of mica can be used to add traction to a ball, but using mica as a particle is not nearly as efficient as using several other types of particles.

Larger mica was used as a sort of particle, for added traction. Mica for pearlization is very small.

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I'm confused! If somebody can clear this up for me, I'd really appreciate it!
Thanks!

Slow down and re-read. please.
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charlest · « **Reply #18 on:** February 18, 2009, 12:45:53 PM »

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If I remember correctly, the new Second Dimension has Mica in it. I always thought of it as a low friction particle, but not quite full blown particle.
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That has mica in it because it has pearl in it. All mica is in modern balls is the material that makes it pearlized. Mica is no longer used as a particle because there are much better materials that can be used.
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Locke and Ric,

I was just reading the BJI review of the 2nd Dimension. It says that the cover has "enhanced traction mica". Looking at the Storm web page for this ball, they say,
"We first pearlized, then reformulated the R2Xâ„¢ coverstock by infusing a physically altered mica known as Enhanced Traction Mica (E.T.M.)."

See: http://www.stormbowling.com/products/balls/second-dimension

So I'm pretty sure this ball and Storm are still/once again using mica as a type of particle. Interesting!
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tburky · « **Reply #19 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:48:35 PM »

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If I remember correctly, the new Second Dimension has Mica in it. I always thought of it as a low friction particle, but not quite full blown particle.
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I am not a pro-bowler, but I do play one on BallReviews.com

That has mica in it because it has pearl in it. All mica is in modern balls is the material that makes it pearlized. Mica is no longer used as a particle because there are much better materials that can be used.
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Always be sincere, even when you don't mean it

The Cell Pimp

Locke and Ric,

I was just reading the BJI review of the 2nd Dimension. It says that the cover has "enhanced traction mica". Looking at the Storm web page for this ball, they say,
"We first pearlized, then reformulated the R2Xâ„¢ coverstock by infusing a physically altered mica known as Enhanced Traction Mica (E.T.M.)."

See: http://www.stormbowling.com/products/balls/second-dimension

So I'm pretty sure this ball and Storm are still/once again using mica as a type of particle. Interesting!
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

One thing for certain on the 2nd dimension. When there is some carrydown this ball really cuts through it in addition very clean through the front.

Locke · « **Reply #20 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:51:48 PM »

I'm not sure if it is a particle in that situation. That can be read as two things either as a particle cover or as them saying that they have a new formula of mica for a new type of pearl material. It might be the old fashion mica particle because one of the ways you could tell was that it would have sparkles because that what the mica particle looked like. I will have to ask a storm ball rep when I get a chance.

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If I remember correctly, the new Second Dimension has Mica in it. I always thought of it as a low friction particle, but not quite full blown particle.
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I am not a pro-bowler, but I do play one on BallReviews.com

That has mica in it because it has pearl in it. All mica is in modern balls is the material that makes it pearlized. Mica is no longer used as a particle because there are much better materials that can be used.
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Always be sincere, even when you don't mean it

The Cell Pimp

Locke and Ric,

I was just reading the BJI review of the 2nd Dimension. It says that the cover has "enhanced traction mica". Looking at the Storm web page for this ball, they say,
"We first pearlized, then reformulated the R2Xâ„¢ coverstock by infusing a physically altered mica known as Enhanced Traction Mica (E.T.M.)."

See: http://www.stormbowling.com/products/balls/second-dimension

So I'm pretty sure this ball and Storm are still/once again using mica as a type of particle. Interesting!
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

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Always be sincere, even when you don't mean it

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Locke · « **Reply #21 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:54:33 PM »

"- Description: Storm has developed a pearlized version of the Dimensionâ„¢ with enhanced traction in the carry-down and increased entry angle to the pocket. We knew the perfect complement to the original Dimensionâ„¢ would be to wrap the Continuumâ„¢ core in a pearlized version of the R2Xâ„¢ coverstock. This would give added length and increased entry angle to the pocket on medium to lighter volume patterns. This ball is also be the perfect go-to ball once the Dimensionâ„¢ starts to read early friction in the front of the lane, causing it to slow down too fast. The idea is to utilize a different type of mica that would change the surface profile of the coverstock and create enhanced friction with the lane surface. What we have developed could possibly be the next evolution in surface technology"

From bowling.com about the 2nd. New formula for their mica not a particle.
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charlest · « **Reply #22 on:** February 18, 2009, 07:45:04 PM »

When the mica is used to "enhance friction", what else can it be but a form of particle.
Normally mica is added to help REDUCE friction, along with the polish. When mica is used to pearlize the coverstock, it makes it less elastic so less of the cover is in contact with the lane surface while it is rolling down the lane, compared to a non-mica solid. If less surface is in contact with the lane, there is less friction.

I'm not saying this makes the 2nd Dim a particle pearl, because Storm does not call it that. I am saying this "enhanced friction" mica is used to add friction to the pearlized coverstock, restoring some of the friction lost during making the DImension into a pearlized ball.
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Locke · « **Reply #23 on:** February 18, 2009, 07:56:15 PM »

Yeah that it does. But from that discription it sounds like a higher friction pearl material not a particle at all. Pretty much they made a higher friction pearl coverstock. Its just like making a higher friction solid cover.
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tburky · « **Reply #24 on:** February 18, 2009, 09:41:49 PM »

whatever they did to the cover over the 2nd dimension it is a very outstanding ball.

Ric Clint · « **Reply #25 on:** February 20, 2009, 03:35:58 PM »

This is all very interesting!

And, Charlest ... I re-read what you wrote and I see what you mean now! I read it too fast the 1st time!

charlest · « **Reply #26 on:** February 20, 2009, 08:24:53 PM »

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whatever they did to the cover over the 2nd dimension it is a very outstanding ball.

BTM just declared it (The 2nd Dimension) the strongest pearl on the market right now. No! not the biggest backend pearl. The strongest one. (Argue with them, not me.)

We've gone far astray in this thread. We should really get back to the Rogue Cell, a very interesting ball. My aplogies for sidetracking the issue.
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Edited on 2/20/2009 9:26 PM

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