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Equipment Boards => Roto Grip => Topic started by: Luke Rosdahl on June 23, 2017, 10:54:41 AM
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Pretty self explanatory, click the link, listen for the info, links for more details are in the video description. Thanks for watching!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRR9kh-Rh-M
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The Hustle INK with polish going to be smooth..... that'll be interesting to see. I have this ball in mind as a ball up to my Radical Rave - I could of kept going with Radical stuff, but it's the price that's important to me right now.
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im hoping its a good fit above my loco solid oob
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Really nice video and great explanation on things but still really waiting on some videos of the balls in action
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I am interested in seeing how the Hot Cell rolls. Hopefully it hits the reaction they're hoping for, but the price point.. whew boy.
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I think everyone's imagining weaker IQ Tour Solid. It could be really good, but it says Hustle on it so I'm worried lol.
The Hustle INK with polish going to be smooth..... that'll be interesting to see. I have this ball in mind as a ball up to my Radical Rave - I could of kept going with Radical stuff, but it's the price that's important to me right now.
Loco Solid was my jam, loved that ball.
im hoping its a good fit above my loco solid oob
Going to be another month or so, they MIGHT put out some promo videos or Hi-SP in Japan might have some videos soon, but I'll get mine the last week or two in July, the staffers usually get them 3ish weeks in advance.
Really nice video and great explanation on things but still really waiting on some videos of the balls in action
Yeah I'm not sure if they're going to get away with that or not . . the HP4 line is really where it has to go, because yeah, it's going to be the biggest hooking urethane ball ever made, but at the end of the day, it's still urethane. For the urethane fans, will probably be epic, but for guys like me who have never gotten along with urethane, just a cool looking ball I won't throw.
I am interested in seeing how the Hot Cell rolls. Hopefully it hits the reaction they're hoping for, but the price point.. whew boy.
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You would think they could put it lower. They had to have made their money back on the R&D.
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Yeah they could, but I think it's a perception thing. That's the only reason the Pitch Black is in the Thunder line, it's not a Blue Hammer, it's a pretty big hooking urethane ball. The Hot Cell will hook a ton for urethane and if they put it lower (where yeah, it probably should be), people may misunderstand. It's a risky move and I think they know it, but honestly, I would have put it there too. How much money are they really gonna make on a urethane ball in the first place, not to mention one at a premium price? It can't be a cash grab, has to be a perception thing is all I can think.
You would think they could put it lower. They had to have made their money back on the R&D.
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You would think they could put it lower. They had to have made their money back on the R&D.
This is America, get every last cent of profit out.
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The Hot Cell looks neat but don't want to wait six weeks and pay at least $40 more for it when I can get The Crow now (ordered last night). I much prefer a symmetric core on a smooth roller and though the Hot Cell will probably cover more boards (higher diff after all) that is not really the point of urethane imho. The whole point is if I throw the exact same shot, the ball will basically go to the same spot through at least most of a session. The Crow at least on THS I believe fits that bill better, not to mention I more trust the Faball guys to get a urethane ball right. The only thing more compelling about the Hot Cell imho is perhaps better carry (edit: also it may handle light oil better but I have a blue hammer already for that) but we shall see.
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Just wait for it to go on clearance.
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But that take a even longer wait to purchase.
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Just wait for it to go on clearance.
I wish. Storm/Roto Grip balls never make it to the clearance racks in my area. Pro shops sell out of their stock in them.
Maybe the Hot Cell will though. It's such a specific type of ball and I don't think the masses will find it particularly attractive (and meaning not just the color).
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The Hot Cell looks neat but don't want to wait six weeks and pay at least $40 more for it when I can get The Crow now (ordered last night). I much prefer a symmetric core on a smooth roller and though the Hot Cell will probably cover more boards (higher diff after all) that is not really the point of urethane imho. The whole point is if I throw the exact same shot, the ball will basically go to the same spot through at least most of a session. The Crow at least on THS I believe fits that bill better, not to mention I more trust the Faball guys to get a urethane ball right. The only thing more compelling about the Hot Cell imho is perhaps better carry (edit: also it may handle light oil better but I have a blue hammer already for that) but we shall see.
That Crow is stout, rolls like the old blue hammer in my opinion. Comparing era's that is.
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Just wait for it to go on clearance.
I wish. Storm/Roto Grip balls never make it to the clearance racks in my area. Pro shops sell out of their stock in them.
Maybe the Hot Cell will though. It's such a specific type of ball and I don't think the masses will find it particularly attractive (and meaning not just the color).
I have to agree because if a new urethane piece doesn't appeal to this hammer head (enjoy other brands too, like the Fanatic BTU looks cool) then its missed the mark. It looks very intriguing on paper except for the asymmetric core and the price tag. That RG is perfect though the diff is just a bit too much imho.
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The more I think on it, might grab up this Hustle Ink. I love solid color balls and I think it'll give me a similar look to my IQ Tour but on the burn.
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Luke, I know you're not a fan of the Hustle line, but will you still do a video of the INK for us? If I remember right you passed on the last batch of hustles
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I highly doubt it, but if enough people want me to I might. Thing is that first I don't need that type of reaction, 95% of what I bowl on I use nothing that hooks less than a Hyroad. If I get down to my Hyroad Pearl it's stupidly bone dry to the point people are using urethane. Nothing lower end shapes up like the HyPe though. Second, it's a lot of work and a fair amount of expense making the videos, so usually if it's not something I'm going to throw or something I need, it's really hard to justify, you know? At this point my channel isn't big enough to sustain doing a review on absolutely everything that comes out, so sometimes I have to be picky. If my channel growth keeps progressing like it has since the first of the year, then maybe by next year I'll be able to do a review on everything. Lower end balls typically don't generate the interest or views either.
In the mean time, Tamer might do a review, and if he doesn't, Josh Tajiri will most likely do one. There will still be some good reviews out there for it I'm sure. I could also be absolutely wrong, might be a great ball I end up throwing a ton, who knows. I'll have to see what the boss says lol, she runs the checkbook.
Luke, I know you're not a fan of the Hustle line, but will you still do a video of the INK for us? If I remember right you passed on the last batch of hustles
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So how do we think the NR, NR Exist, and Sure Lock compare to each other?
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If the Hustle INK is anything like the old Sonic line, it should be a good ball. Plus, dark solid balls always appear more "controllable" (less violent) off the spot than a multicolor ball.
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The more I think on it, might grab up this Hustle Ink. I love solid color balls and I think it'll give me a similar look to my IQ Tour but on the burn.
I'm really looking forward to this ball. However, I don't see it being a ball for burn. I see it being a good medium oil ball. Probably a good ball on a fresh house shot. Maybe a good ball on short patterns.
I was out practicing again yesterday, and the Hustle POW is not much of a step down from the NRP. I have it about the same as the Daredevil, but just a different shape. I took the shine off mine with a 4000 pad. I might even go down to 2000 or 3000. This ball just hooks. I expect the Ink to be a little smoother and probably be a good benchmark ball.
I really like my POW. It's just more ball than I thought it would be - despite what I read on here. It's definitely too strong to use on burn. Even at the polished box finish. I even have mine drilled for length. It just doesn't get down there like it should.
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The more I think on it, might grab up this Hustle Ink. I love solid color balls and I think it'll give me a similar look to my IQ Tour but on the burn.
I'm really looking forward to this ball. However, I don't see it being a ball for burn. I see it being a good medium oil ball. Probably a good ball on a fresh house shot. Maybe a good ball on short patterns.
I was out practicing again yesterday, and the Hustle POW is not much of a step down from the NRP. I have it about the same as the Daredevil, but just a different shape. I took the shine off mine with a 4000 pad. I might even go down to 2000 or 3000. This ball just hooks. I expect the Ink to be a little smoother and probably be a good benchmark ball.
I really like my POW. It's just more ball than I thought it would be - despite what I read on here. It's definitely too strong to use on burn. Even at the polished box finish. I even have mine drilled for length. It just doesn't get down there like it should.
Hmm that'll overlap my IQ Tour at that point.
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That's why I don't like the Hustles. By the time you get the cover adjusted to act right, there are other balls at that hook potential that are better. The Hustle Ink should be right on par with the IQ Tour Solid. RG is only a few points higher and the differential is actually slightly higher. I'd be stunned if they aren't incredibly similar.
The more I think on it, might grab up this Hustle Ink. I love solid color balls and I think it'll give me a similar look to my IQ Tour but on the burn.
I'm really looking forward to this ball. However, I don't see it being a ball for burn. I see it being a good medium oil ball. Probably a good ball on a fresh house shot. Maybe a good ball on short patterns.
I was out practicing again yesterday, and the Hustle POW is not much of a step down from the NRP. I have it about the same as the Daredevil, but just a different shape. I took the shine off mine with a 4000 pad. I might even go down to 2000 or 3000. This ball just hooks. I expect the Ink to be a little smoother and probably be a good benchmark ball.
I really like my POW. It's just more ball than I thought it would be - despite what I read on here. It's definitely too strong to use on burn. Even at the polished box finish. I even have mine drilled for length. It just doesn't get down there like it should.
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Sure Lock - Biggest hook and backend
No Rules - Slightly less and slightly smoother, but very clean and readable
No Rules Exist - Virtually identical hook with the NR, but more of an arc, I'd expect it to be similar to the Menace but more consistent at the breakpoint.
So how do we think the NR, NR Exist, and Sure Lock compare to each other?
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That's why I don't like the Hustles. By the time you get the cover adjusted to act right, there are other balls at that hook potential that are better. The Hustle Ink should be right on par with the IQ Tour Solid. RG is only a few points higher and the differential is actually slightly higher. I'd be stunned if they aren't incredibly similar.
The more I think on it, might grab up this Hustle Ink. I love solid color balls and I think it'll give me a similar look to my IQ Tour but on the burn.
I'm really looking forward to this ball. However, I don't see it being a ball for burn. I see it being a good medium oil ball. Probably a good ball on a fresh house shot. Maybe a good ball on short patterns.
I was out practicing again yesterday, and the Hustle POW is not much of a step down from the NRP. I have it about the same as the Daredevil, but just a different shape. I took the shine off mine with a 4000 pad. I might even go down to 2000 or 3000. This ball just hooks. I expect the Ink to be a little smoother and probably be a good benchmark ball.
I really like my POW. It's just more ball than I thought it would be - despite what I read on here. It's definitely too strong to use on burn. Even at the polished box finish. I even have mine drilled for length. It just doesn't get down there like it should.
Agree totally with you.
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That's why I don't like the Hustles. By the time you get the cover adjusted to act right, there are other balls at that hook potential that are better. The Hustle Ink should be right on par with the IQ Tour Solid. RG is only a few points higher and the differential is actually slightly higher. I'd be stunned if they aren't incredibly similar.
Fair enough. I get why you don't like them. I don't like mine as a light oil/burn ball, but it is good for what it is. It gives me a different shape to the Daredevil and a couple others. It's more reliable than the Timeless. It's not as over/under as the Hyroad Pearl. It just isn't that weak ball that I need(ed).
I did get my hands on a Hectic though. My friend was selling hers. I was going to buy one online, so I asked her husband what she thought of hers. She loved it, but has too much overlap and needed to clear out some balls. I prefer new equipment, but not opposed to used - certainly not when I needed something to get me down the lane more (for summer league) and not be so jumpy (HP).
I did go with motion hole on it. I had it brought back to box finish. I used it on the fresh house shot last night for the first game and it worked pretty well. Definitely more of what I needed. I may knock the shine off. It did start to react quicker off the spot towards the end of the first game. But nowhere near as jumpy as the hyroad pearl. Definitely longer than the POW.
Now if I can track down a Loco Solid. I have a Match Up Solid coming that I'm going to drill rico. I'm probably going to go with a low flare drilling on the Ink when I get that. Maybe still buy a tropical storm. I had a breeze in 15 and it was definitely good on the burn.