Quote from: pears on March 16, 2017, 10:25:59 AM

Quote from: rocky61201 on March 16, 2017, 09:50:32 AM

NOT TRUE.
Especially with an asymmetric, minor drilling difference in pin and MB position can make  HUGE difference in ball reaction. The Snap Lock being a strong asymmetric, a different drilling is more like drilling a brand new ball.

I agree.  Makes a difference even for symetric's as well.  I have two Hy Road's.  Pin up and Pin down. About a two inch pin to PaP difference.  Two totally different reactions.  More different than I wanted or expected when I requested the layouts from my PSO.  I remember reading a comprehensive article on the bowling this month website that said different layout's didn't change things all that much.  I'm not a believer in that article anymore.

.....I may just need to plug and start "fresh" with my snap lock, but I am so frustrated with that ball....lol. I do belive that if I want to keep this ball I NEED to have it layed out different and give that a try. My EC and CB are drilled the same, having the pin next to my ring finger. While the SL is pin up over the middle finger.

Your Pin-PAP distance probably has more to do with the differences than the drilling.  Not saying the drilling doesn't play a part, but 2-inch difference is kinda significant.

Yeah that's hella different....if one was drilled max flare at 3 3/8 then the other would be 5 3/8 lol. Plus the change in angles with the pin up/pin down. I can see why he's noticing a difference.

Okay, so let me ask you guys this. If I were to plug and re drill my SL to match my Code and Cell, would I have 3 balls that would compliment or would the all be about the same.

As they sit, the Cell and Code are at box finish while the SL was hit with 2000 grit. I understand the SL would be a very different beast to what it is now.

All different as they're all different cores, coverstocks, and surface. Drilling is only what 10-15% of the influence I think.

Quote from: AlonzoHarris on March 16, 2017, 09:25:37 PM

Quote from: pears on March 16, 2017, 12:58:36 PM

Okay, so let me ask you guys this. If I were to plug and re drill my SL to match my Code and Cell, would I have 3 balls that would compliment or would the all be about the same.

As they sit, the Cell and Code are at box finish while the SL was hit with 2000 grit. I understand the SL would be a very different beast to what it is now.

All different as they're all different cores, coverstocks, and surface. Drilling is only what 10-15% of the influence I think.

I probably should have worded that question different Alonzo. Ill try again.

Consider that right now, my snap lock to me is my weekest ball. If I were to have the three balls drilled with the same layout, in theory what could I expect to be different.  Does the snap lock become my strongest ball?, if so, I need to move on.

I would think it would check up a little sooner than the other two. Code Black would still go the longest and strongest. Eternal would be in the middle and roll off the spot more.

Thanks guys for your help, Im sure you can tell my frustration with this ball in my posts. I havent like it since I got it. Cover changes work then not, re drill may help but Im not sure thats the route I want to go. This season for sure has been a learning curve, I have never payed as much attention to my game as I have now. A lot of great and usefull knowledge being passed around here. Thanks

Confidence is a huge part in bowling. I know for me personally, if I lack confidence in a certain ball, it'll affect me. I won't want to throw it when it should be the go to for the current condition. I'll throw it bad and it's just not a good situation.

Couldn't agree more.  For me if I don't have faith in the ball it will affect my ability to relax on the approach and deliver a good shot.  When that happens I'll put that ball on the shelf for a couple months and go back to it.  My No Rules Solid is sitting there right now.  It was my go to ball for fresh lane conditions then I had a bad couple of weeks.  Probably because of the all the surface changes I did to it.

Eventually I'll break it out and give it to my PSO for a trip to the rejuvenator and then resurfacing.  Then it will be like having a brand new ball again.