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Equipment Boards => Roto Grip => Topic started by: pears on March 15, 2017, 08:59:54 AM
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I have come to grips that my snap lock just doesnt work for me. Seems like I cant get it to react or roll right at all. I can go to my code black or eternal cell and I get great roll/feel off my hand and looks great down lane. I have struggled with my snap lock for sometime now with so its time to move on.
Im looking for some suggestions of a ball down maybe rather than up.
My ball speed on the lane camera is 17-18, tweener/stroker with med or better revs.
Thanks for any help.
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Looking at your arsenal, you could use a Dare Devil, or even a Weeck-em to compliment what you have. The external cell is more of a benchmark type that is more of a mid rg/mis high dif, while the CB is a long and strong piece, so to me, you can use a benchmark piece where you can either start with, then ball up to the cb, when you need to chase the oil in, or you can add surface to your cell, use it as a benchmark, then and again, if it and your cb is too much, purchase a wreck-em, and there you have your 3 ball arsenal.
Good luck to you.
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I was thinking the Dare Devil would be a good addition, but I never thought of the wreck em. I will take a look a look at that also.
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Daredevil or IQ Tour
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I have come to grips that my snap lock just doesnt work for me. Seems like I cant get it to react or roll right at all. I can go to my code black or eternal cell and I get great roll/feel off my hand and looks great down lane. I have struggled with my snap lock for sometime now with so its time to move on.
Im looking for some suggestions of a ball down maybe rather than up.
My ball speed on the lane camera is 17-18, tweener/stroker with med or better revs.
Thanks for any help.
Hmm, this sounds like the dilemma I was in with my S/L. Sometimes it worked pretty good, then not. So what did I do? After a few cover change experiments with my S/L that did make it work better, I decided to sell it and I bought the Dare Devil. This was a great decision! The DD works so much better for me than the S/L did. I would definitely look at the Dare Devil for sure. The Wreck-em may be a good choice as well, I do not have that ball so I can't tell you for sure, but the DD I do know is working for me!
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My ball down is always a hyroad
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I have come to grips that my snap lock just doesnt work for me. Seems like I cant get it to react or roll right at all. I can go to my code black or eternal cell and I get great roll/feel off my hand and looks great down lane. I have struggled with my snap lock for sometime now with so its time to move on.
Im looking for some suggestions of a ball down maybe rather than up.
My ball speed on the lane camera is 17-18, tweener/stroker with med or better revs.
Thanks for any help.
Hmm, this sounds like the dilemma I was in with my S/L. Sometimes it worked pretty good, then not. So what did I do? After a few cover change experiments with my S/L that did make it work better, I decided to sell it and I bought the Dare Devil. This was a great decision! The DD works so much better for me than the S/L did. I would definitely look at the Dare Devil for sure. The Wreck-em may be a good choice as well, I do not have that ball so I can't tell you for sure, but the DD I do know is working for me!
Yeah, I've tried cover changes also and nothing seems to help. I guess when a ball doesnt work for you, it just doesnt work.
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are you looking for another pearl ball? the dare devil might be the right pearl, but could also be a lot of overlap with the code black.
I would look for something weaker, and probably a hybrid; so I second Billdozer and suggest a hy-road.
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are you looking for another pearl ball? the dare devil might be the right pearl, but could also be a lot of overlap with the code black.
I would look for something weaker, and probably a hybrid; so I second Billdozer and suggest a hy-road.
Or even weaker. The fact is that the balls he has almost all overlap.
Hyroad or weaker is my suggestion.
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I have come to grips that my snap lock just doesnt work for me. Seems like I cant get it to react or roll right at all. I can go to my code black or eternal cell and I get great roll/feel off my hand and looks great down lane. I have struggled with my snap lock for sometime now with so its time to move on.
Im looking for some suggestions of a ball down maybe rather than up.
My ball speed on the lane camera is 17-18, tweener/stroker with med or better revs.
Thanks for any help.
Hmm, this sounds like the dilemma I was in with my S/L. Sometimes it worked pretty good, then not. So what did I do? After a few cover change experiments with my S/L that did make it work better, I decided to sell it and I bought the Dare Devil. This was a great decision! The DD works so much better for me than the S/L did. I would definitely look at the Dare Devil for sure. The Wreck-em may be a good choice as well, I do not have that ball so I can't tell you for sure, but the DD I do know is working for me!
Yeah, I've tried cover changes also and nothing seems to help. I guess when a ball doesnt work for you, it just doesnt work.
NOT TRUE.
Especially with an asymmetric, minor drilling difference in pin and MB position can make HUGE difference in ball reaction. The Snap Lock being a strong asymmetric, a different drilling is more like drilling a brand new ball.
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If looking for a ball down option, I have found the HyRoad is a good step down from the Code Black.
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NOT TRUE.
Especially with an asymmetric, minor drilling difference in pin and MB position can make HUGE difference in ball reaction. The Snap Lock being a strong asymmetric, a different drilling is more like drilling a brand new ball.
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I agree. Makes a difference even for symetric's as well. I have two Hy Road's. Pin up and Pin down. About a two inch pin to PaP difference. Two totally different reactions. More different than I wanted or expected when I requested the layouts from my PSO. I remember reading a comprehensive article on the bowling this month website that said different layout's didn't change things all that much. I'm not a believer in that article anymore.
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NOT TRUE.
Especially with an asymmetric, minor drilling difference in pin and MB position can make HUGE difference in ball reaction. The Snap Lock being a strong asymmetric, a different drilling is more like drilling a brand new ball.
I agree. Makes a difference even for symetric's as well. I have two Hy Road's. Pin up and Pin down. About a two inch pin to PaP difference. Two totally different reactions. More different than I wanted or expected when I requested the layouts from my PSO. I remember reading a comprehensive article on the bowling this month website that said different layout's didn't change things all that much. I'm not a believer in that article anymore.
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.....I may just need to plug and start "fresh" with my snap lock, but I am so frustrated with that ball....lol. I do belive that if I want to keep this ball I NEED to have it layed out different and give that a try. My EC and CB are drilled the same, having the pin next to my ring finger. While the SL is pin up over the middle finger.
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NOT TRUE.
Especially with an asymmetric, minor drilling difference in pin and MB position can make HUGE difference in ball reaction. The Snap Lock being a strong asymmetric, a different drilling is more like drilling a brand new ball.
I agree. Makes a difference even for symetric's as well. I have two Hy Road's. Pin up and Pin down. About a two inch pin to PaP difference. Two totally different reactions. More different than I wanted or expected when I requested the layouts from my PSO. I remember reading a comprehensive article on the bowling this month website that said different layout's didn't change things all that much. I'm not a believer in that article anymore.
.....I may just need to plug and start "fresh" with my snap lock, but I am so frustrated with that ball....lol. I do belive that if I want to keep this ball I NEED to have it layed out different and give that a try. My EC and CB are drilled the same, having the pin next to my ring finger. While the SL is pin up over the middle finger.
Your Pin-PAP distance probably has more to do with the differences than the drilling. Not saying the drilling doesn't play a part, but 2-inch difference is kinda significant.
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I thought drilling and pin to PAP distances were the same thing or at least the same ballpark.
If you change where you drill, then by default you change your pin to PAP distance. Right?????
Because my PaP will always be the same distance from the center of my span; or the same distance from where I drilled my holes. 5 1/2 over and 1/2 up. I threw both Hy Road's (pin up and pin down) back to back. Had to take two completely different lines to the pocket to strike and exit the pin deck at the 20 board. Isolated the PaP on both balls using a piece of tape and watching my shots go down the lane. it took me about 2 or 3 games to get it right. When I was done my PaP was the same on both balls.
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NOT TRUE.
Especially with an asymmetric, minor drilling difference in pin and MB position can make HUGE difference in ball reaction. The Snap Lock being a strong asymmetric, a different drilling is more like drilling a brand new ball.
I agree. Makes a difference even for symetric's as well. I have two Hy Road's. Pin up and Pin down. About a two inch pin to PaP difference. Two totally different reactions. More different than I wanted or expected when I requested the layouts from my PSO. I remember reading a comprehensive article on the bowling this month website that said different layout's didn't change things all that much. I'm not a believer in that article anymore.
.....I may just need to plug and start "fresh" with my snap lock, but I am so frustrated with that ball....lol. I do belive that if I want to keep this ball I NEED to have it layed out different and give that a try. My EC and CB are drilled the same, having the pin next to my ring finger. While the SL is pin up over the middle finger.
Your Pin-PAP distance probably has more to do with the differences than the drilling. Not saying the drilling doesn't play a part, but 2-inch difference is kinda significant.
Yeah that's hella different....if one was drilled max flare at 3 3/8 then the other would be 5 3/8 lol. Plus the change in angles with the pin up/pin down. I can see why he's noticing a difference.
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Okay, so let me ask you guys this. If I were to plug and re drill my SL to match my Code and Cell, would I have 3 balls that would compliment or would the all be about the same.
As they sit, the Cell and Code are at box finish while the SL was hit with 2000 grit. I understand the SL would be a very different beast to what it is now.
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Okay, so let me ask you guys this. If I were to plug and re drill my SL to match my Code and Cell, would I have 3 balls that would compliment or would the all be about the same.
As they sit, the Cell and Code are at box finish while the SL was hit with 2000 grit. I understand the SL would be a very different beast to what it is now.
All different as they're all different cores, coverstocks, and surface. Drilling is only what 10-15% of the influence I think.
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Okay, so let me ask you guys this. If I were to plug and re drill my SL to match my Code and Cell, would I have 3 balls that would compliment or would the all be about the same.
As they sit, the Cell and Code are at box finish while the SL was hit with 2000 grit. I understand the SL would be a very different beast to what it is now.
All different as they're all different cores, coverstocks, and surface. Drilling is only what 10-15% of the influence I think.
I probably should have worded that question different Alonzo. Ill try again.
Consider that right now, my snap lock to me is my weakest ball. If I were to have the three balls drilled with the same layout, in theory what could I expect to be different. Does the snap lock become my strongest ball? If so, I need to move on.
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Okay, so let me ask you guys this. If I were to plug and re drill my SL to match my Code and Cell, would I have 3 balls that would compliment or would the all be about the same.
As they sit, the Cell and Code are at box finish while the SL was hit with 2000 grit. I understand the SL would be a very different beast to what it is now.
All different as they're all different cores, coverstocks, and surface. Drilling is only what 10-15% of the influence I think.
I probably should have worded that question different Alonzo. Ill try again.
Consider that right now, my snap lock to me is my weekest ball. If I were to have the three balls drilled with the same layout, in theory what could I expect to be different. Does the snap lock become my strongest ball?, if so, I need to move on.
I would think it would check up a little sooner than the other two. Code Black would still go the longest and strongest. Eternal would be in the middle and roll off the spot more.
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Exactly what Alonzo said.
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Thanks guys for your help, Im sure you can tell my frustration with this ball in my posts. I havent like it since I got it. Cover changes work then not, re drill may help but Im not sure thats the route I want to go. This season for sure has been a learning curve, I have never payed as much attention to my game as I have now. A lot of great and usefull knowledge being passed around here. Thanks
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Confidence is a huge part in bowling. I know for me personally, if I lack confidence in a certain ball, it'll affect me. I won't want to throw it when it should be the go to for the current condition. I'll throw it bad and it's just not a good situation.
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Confidence is a huge part in bowling. I know for me personally, if I lack confidence in a certain ball, it'll affect me. I won't want to throw it when it should be the go to for the current condition. I'll throw it bad and it's just not a good situation.
Couldn't agree more. For me if I don't have faith in the ball it will affect my ability to relax on the approach and deliver a good shot. When that happens I'll put that ball on the shelf for a couple months and go back to it. My No Rules Solid is sitting there right now. It was my go to ball for fresh lane conditions then I had a bad couple of weeks. Probably because of the all the surface changes I did to it.
Eventually I'll break it out and give it to my PSO for a trip to the rejuvenator and then resurfacing. Then it will be like having a brand new ball again.
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Confidence is a huge part in bowling. I know for me personally, if I lack confidence in a certain ball, it'll affect me. I won't want to throw it when it should be the go to for the current condition. I'll throw it bad and it's just not a good situation.
Couldn't agree more. For me if I don't have faith in the ball it will affect my ability to relax on the approach and deliver a good shot. When that happens I'll put that ball on the shelf for a couple months and go back to it. My No Rules Solid is sitting there right now. It was my go to ball for fresh lane conditions then I had a bad couple of weeks. Probably because of the all the surface changes I did to it.
Eventually I'll break it out and give it to my PSO for a trip to the rejuvenator and then resurfacing. Then it will be like having a brand new ball again.
I hear what your saying fellas, I honestly have zero confidence or comfort in this ball no matter how many times I let it sit. It time to let it go and move on.
Anybody in the market for a 16lb snap lock...lol