Post by: tloy on May 20, 2005, 10:48:20 AM
Roto Grip Rules!!!!!
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Post by: charlest on May 20, 2005, 07:21:14 PM
The review indicates a ball barely more than the original Silver Streak.
BUT then, this issue also indicates the Storm Fired-Up (a resin pearl, with an average core) is stronger than Storm's Particle Pearl, the Ace, a very strong cover with a strong asymmetric core.
Makes me kind of wonder.
Oh, well, not every one else loves every ball we love and not every one else has problems with the balls we have problems with. And so it goes.
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Just like hand grenades and horse shoes, in bowling you only have to get close ...
Post by: dirtbikebowler on May 20, 2005, 07:46:46 PM
Back to the RS-X it looks like a very good ball, had excellent rating on med, and desent ratings on hvy and light, it just wasn't strong in just one category, but overall got a very good rating.
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Taking over the lanes with Mother Nature!
Storm Baby!
Post by: tloy on May 20, 2005, 08:01:22 PM
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Todd Loy
Post by: charlest on May 20, 2005, 08:38:24 PM
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I just started getting BTM, only have 3 mags of it so far. I'm just wondering, whats the highest a ball has gotten for a sport shot before? I've only saw a rating of 5 so far for sport.
Back to the RS-X it looks like a very good ball, had excellent rating on med, and desent ratings on hvy and light, it just wasn't strong in just one category, but overall got a very good rating.
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Taking over the lanes with Mother Nature!
Storm Baby!
Their "Sport pattern" is drier than average; so, milder AND less flippy balls will score higher. The Ebonite Black Ice has gotten the highest scores on SPort that I have seen in BTM.
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Just like hand grenades and horse shoes, in bowling you only have to get close ...
Post by: Mustang Guy on May 21, 2005, 05:07:15 AM
Reviews on this site are far better tools. They give you "bowlers" opinions. People like you and me. Not the same person...ball after ball after ball. If I was a tester for a Mag like that, I would be bored after 4 months of releases.
Anyways, the ball is great, they have just thrown so many different balls that they don't see greatness like we do. I have to admit I get bummed reading those sometimes. I just take it with a grain of salt...One man's opinion.
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Post by: wasted talent on May 21, 2005, 08:55:09 PM
Post by: TheIronMan on May 22, 2005, 05:42:15 AM
Jim King
Editor-BTM
Post by: charlest on May 22, 2005, 05:44:14 AM
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Nothing against this ball, but how many balls with a 1500-grit polished finish actually perform well on heavy oil.
Zero. I'm sure he meant heavy oil in a relative sense for him personally.
Not even a hig load solid particle will perform on hevay oil in a polished state. That's why such balls as the Goliath, the Guarranteed, Yeah Baby, AMB Centaur Particle come dull, 320 - 400 grit.
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Just like hand grenades and horse shoes, in bowling you only have to get close ...
Post by: kingpin268 on May 22, 2005, 08:15:26 AM
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Post by: charlest on May 22, 2005, 11:52:35 AM
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Not sure what the fuss is about. I think we gave the RS-X pretty high marks. Nothing lower than a 5. Seemed to us a very versatile ball. We noted in the review that the cover leant itself to adjustments for more or less oil. I don't think Roto intended for this ball to be one that would hook in oil or they wouldn't have put 1500 polish on the factory finish and that is what our numberical ratings are based on. Sometimes bowlers confuse total hook with back end. This ball has a big back end and we noted that in the review. As for the remark about our reviews getting stale, we do review a lot of balls (104 last year), but we try our damndest to be objective and fair and give each ball a chance to shine. Many of our readers seem disappointed that we don't trash a ball once in a while, but honestly the ball companies do such a good job of screening out the boat anchors before they ever get to us or to the market, we haven't seen a boat anchor in quite a while. We don't normally reply to individual threads on bowling websites, but when we give a ball a pretty good review and get negative feedback about it, we have to say something in our own defense.
Jim King
Editor-BTM
IronMan (Jim),
I for one think you are doing a pretty decent job overall, given the amount of effort that must go into a ball review. While I must admit to having gotten a little better feel for a BTM review when Mr. Summerville did the reviews, mostly from his words and descriptions, your involvement of 3 different styles on 3 different oil patterns was an excelent move and probably a logistical nightmare. Give credit where credit is due.
That said, there are times, like in this review when maybe expectations for a ball do not mesh with the actual numbers AND descriptions. That's life. Pefection cannot and is not expected, by any rational person (Or bowler
). I have said many times here that BTM reviews should not be taken in isolation but comparatively to previous reviews, but, again, not too far back, as the standard, the icon, is a constantly moving target, with new oils and new ball designs (covers AND cores).So basically, I started this more as a "what the real story here?", not a "what's wrong with BTM now?" comment. It's a matter of is BTM's review the real RS-X , or is/are some of the incredible early 880s thrown with the RS-X the real story? Or what is the real story?
I guess, as with all balls, the real story for eash of us will be the utility we get from our own RS-X. Thanks for all the continuing hard work.
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Just like hand grenades and horse shoes, in bowling you only have to get close ...
Post by: charlest on May 22, 2005, 11:59:09 AM
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What is the BTM magazine? Is it something you have to subscribe to?
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BTM is Bowling This Month, a hard copy monthly magazine for good bowlers wanting to get better. There are all sorts of good coaches AND, for the most part, good communicators writing articles every issue. It is probably the best bowling magazine for the bowler ever published, up to date. I don't know of any bowler in any league, bowling anywhere in the world, including EVERY PBA member, who cannot get something from this magazine. (Of course the PBA bowlers usually get it directly from one of these coaches ...)
My personal favorite writer/coaches are Rolf Gauer, Denny Torgerson, Bill Hall and Susie Minshew, in no particular order. Mo Pinel used to have a column in it also; I REALLY enjoyed his ideas.
Oh, they also publish ball reviews.
Here is their website, from which you can subscribe or ask for a free issue (if they still do that) in order to see what one is like:
http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/
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Just like hand grenades and horse shoes, in bowling you only have to get close ...
Post by: Henrik on May 24, 2005, 01:44:50 AM
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Roto-Grip International Staff
Vise Inserts Amateur Staff
Edited on 5/24/2005 1:37 AM
Post by: Jeffrevs on May 26, 2005, 06:46:18 AM
Last night I was going thru it like always and came to the review section and quite frankly...I thought the RSX review was just like all their reviews.
I saw nothing "negative" ....NO, they didn't do back-flips over it either, but they rarely do. Every now and then they'll us certain words or phrases about a certain ball, ...as they did about the Fired Up and AMB Centaur Particle...something like:
"if you want blah blah blah, then look no further than this ball...or this is as good as any of them"
But.....other than that,...it was a typical middle of the road review for a great mid-priced ball! Nothing scathing, nothing tremendous....all in all, I think they liked it a lot....
Look what Jim King said below ...from TheIronman
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I think we gave the RS-X pretty high marks. Nothing lower than a 5. Seemed to us a very versatile ball.
doesn't sound negative to me ?
This review actually made me think...with drill and prep....you could have 2 RSX's and 2 RS1's and cover 95% of everything you'll run into,..including tournaments.......for example:
RSX- pin below ring, cg kicked out 4x2 ish give or take, axis hole in the thumb quadrant, 600 smooth
RSX- pin up and over ring,.. cg kicked just a bit, say 5x3...hole on axis, box condition
RS1- pin 2 1/2" from pap, cg in the palm, 1000 compound
RS1- 2x2 hole on axis box condition
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JEFF
"Chance to squint at a sky so blue that it hurts your eyes just to look at it."
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Post by: LuckyLefty on May 26, 2005, 07:34:58 AM
Best part.
I had a Silver Streak and while a great ball, it didn't handle heavy oil as well as others. So what! It handled a broad range of mediums!
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: LuckyLefty on May 26, 2005, 07:55:39 AM
http://www.rotogrip.com/stories.aspx?fullstoryid=223
No 880 but not a bad first day
There is this... only an 879
http://www.rotogrip.com/highscores.aspx
Hey that Henrik guy is pretty good!
BUt where is LOWVILLE NY? (I know)
ANd then there is this:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?BallID=613&ManufacterID=15&ReviewID=23180
Boy that Henrik can bowl... Put a silver streak anything in his hands or the rotary core and Boom....800!
I just want one!
REgards,
Luckylefty
And then there is this
http://www.pba.com/newsstory.asp?ID=3858
Roto grip staffer... did he use the RS-X
As we called him in Florida... "DDDDDDD Terminator!"
Post by: DP3 on May 26, 2005, 07:58:13 AM
Between Bowlingmytmouse's slower speed and my high revrate and rotation, the RS-X was just enough ball inside the oil in OOB surface. There is no way I would suggest this ball at any lower than 1500 or 2000 grit. With the OOB polish and the heavy oil inside and in the track area, this motor and super aggressive cover(and boy is it aggressive), this thing started up suprisingly early and kept on coming back. We couldn't believe it. We then let fellow BR user TheSuperHitman, use it who comes more up the back of the ball at about 17mph speed and 400-420 rpms and he could not keep the ball right of the headpin, even with all of the excessive oil.
This is one ball you actually have to throw to believe how strong it is. Numbers and specs are decieving. And this ball was tested on a condition where the following balls skated forever in the oil and wouldn't make it around the corner(all at out of box finish):
-Track X-Ception
-Track Slash
-Track Rule
-Intense Inferno
-RS-1
-Retro Ressurection
RS-X made those balls looks silly in comparison when revving in the midlane and making it around the corner.
I think too much surface would be overkill unless your revrate is around 225 and under. This ball is just enough for the heavier side of mediums in out of box condition and can be played direct in the real soup since it starts up so early(for those with revrates 325+).
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Respect the Game
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Post by: Overhand on May 26, 2005, 09:19:48 AM
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Reviews on this site are far better tools.
You're kidding, right? "...hooks hard and hits like a truck! BUY THIS BALL!"
Since every bowler is different and every house has one or more different oil patterns, the reviews in BTM can only give you general characteristics of the ball...it may not do the same for you/your house.
throw in the many different ways to drill a ball and you do find that you're taking a chance with every ball you buy. part of the game.
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20 THROW BALL
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40 THROW BALL
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70 QUIT
Post by: thfonz98 on June 05, 2005, 09:58:23 PM
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I just started getting BTM, only have 3 mags of it so far. I'm just wondering, whats the highest a ball has gotten for a sport shot before? I've only saw a rating of 5 so far for sport.
sport rating have only been around since 2/04
azo tactics reactive 8/7/8
col300 flipside alter ego 9/8/8
hammer big blue pearl 8/8/8
hammer big block diesel 8/7/8
storm triple xfactor 9/8/6
storm razor wire 7/8/8
track crash 8/7/8.5
as of nov 23.2004(last time i got an updated btm excel spreadsheet)
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