Author Topic: Should I bother with the Odyssey? (Read 4881 times)

Lemonade · « **on:** June 05, 2007, 03:28:05 PM »

Hey all, new member here!

First of all I want to say that I have been browsing these forums for a while and finally made a profile.

Ok, back to the topic at hand...

I'm generally new to bowling. Well, I've done a bit of bowling before in the past but this is my first venture into my own ball collection. I'm a no thumb bowler because I mainly just played with house balls and I could never find a good fit (obviously

), but I'm interested in learning how to use my thumb. I've been looking towards some medium-heavy to heavy oil balls because the league I just joined up in lays down some pretty thick coats before matches.

I've been browsing around looking at what my best options would be and I honestly can't seem to make up my mind. My friend has a Domination that I've practiced with and I need something that handles the oil a little better because I can't get much of a reaction from it. And before I get ridiculed on layouts remember that I'm pretty new and only know from what I've read on here, but I can't remember the exact layout he has on his ball so I don't know if it was weak or strong.

Ok, sorry for the long intro, but I've lowered my choices down to the Odyssey, Total NV, Mystic, or the Terminator. I have pretty fast ball speed and get quite a few revs on the ball so I've been thinking the Odyssey might help eat up some oil on the lane. My original choice was gonna be the NV but I've heard some horror stories from some (even at the local pro-shop) that even with maintenance the ball just gradually slips into a stage of reaction loss so it's made me weary of that choice. I'm just looking for a little bit of insight from the knowledgable minds on these forums to help me choose a ball that would perform well on heavier conditions, last long amounts of time since my current job isn't the best paying, and would be somewhat forgiving since I'll be working out the kinks with a new ball.

Thanks in advance,
Jason.

Edited on 6/5/2007 11:27 PM

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2007, 11:39:25 PM »

Take the Mystic off your list and whatever you can get your best deal on go with it, i have all of the rest but be careful with the odyssey it is not for beginners alot of ball and strong mb.

Lemonade · « **Reply #2 on:** June 05, 2007, 11:46:02 PM »

Yea, I wasn't sure if the Mystic would perform well on the heavier oil lanes and get the reaction I was looking for, but I heard so many good things about it. So far I'm really leaning towards the Odyssey since for my bowling style it seems like just the ticket; I just wanted to get some insight to help push me towards my decision.

Another thing...towards the end of the night when the lanes get worn down some, would the Odyssey continue to drive through the same line? Or would the dry spots through the lane cause it to react too early and hamper my ending games? Right now I don't have the money to end up grabbing another ball to make a combo so should I be ok with the Odyssey through a 3 game set? Or should I look for a different ball that's not quite as strong as the Odyssey for when it grips the lane?

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #3 on:** June 06, 2007, 12:24:20 AM »

The odyssey is a very condition specific ball, i am able to use it on fresh oil for one game, i think the terminator is the most versatile of your group.

The Horizon solid would be another fine choice more ball than the mystic not stupidly strong like the odyssey. The odyssey will work if you able to move inside well and chase the oil inside, otherwise i would go with something else.

The Total Nv is an ok ball nothing special about it to me, i would rank the Terminator and the odyssey above it in hooking power.

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Lemonade · « **Reply #4 on:** June 06, 2007, 12:31:04 AM »

Yea I've been looking at the Terminator quite a bit too. I hear Lane Master balls are very dependable and the quality is usually top notch on most, so it might help me out in the long run. But I really appreciate your opinions and help.

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #5 on:** June 06, 2007, 12:45:15 AM »

Get an odyssey while you can. Very good piece......a dull ball that corners, rare and a must have.

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justdale · « **Reply #6 on:** June 07, 2007, 11:30:02 AM »

I don't know why anyone would say take the Mystic off your list, this a geat ball very easy to make adjustments and reading the lane is its attribute, 1st ball out of my bag right now.

The Odyssey is a very strong ball and for someone thats a no-thumber I wouldn't suggest this ball

bowlingmytmouse · « **Reply #7 on:** June 07, 2007, 01:39:41 PM »

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I'm generally new to bowling. Well, I've done a bit of bowling before in the past but this is my first venture into my own ball collection. I'm a no thumb bowler because I mainly just played with house balls and I could never find a good fit (obviously ), but I'm interested in learning how to use my thumb. I've been looking towards some medium-heavy to heavy oil balls because the league I just joined up in lays down some pretty thick coats before matches.

With you being new to bowling, I would steer away from the Epic series all together. If this is your first ball, definately don't buy one. But since you usually used house balls you haven't established a PAP yet with the driller, which plays a huge role in laying your ball out. Also, with you learning, in my opinion its easier to learn with a lower end ball so that you will learn how to adjust and play the shot properly. Having stated that, I would go with the Mystic or the Horizon solids. Both excellent balls that you will be able to grow into. Then once you "work out the kinks" you will be able to decide if you want to go bigger or not. Also your not going to be paying 200+ dollars on a ball before you establish your release and then have to pay to get it redrilled.

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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #8 on:** June 07, 2007, 02:20:25 PM »

For me the mystic is 2 nd to 3 rd game ball for conditions on the lighter medium side, sure you could sand down a ball made for mediums to work. Or you could just go with the correct ball in the 1 st place, i made my suggestion just like you made yours.

Would not a Horizon Solid be a better choice than a mystic in the 1 st place???

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I don't know why anyone would say take the Mystic off your list, this a geat ball very easy to make adjustments and reading the lane is its attribute, 1st ball out of my bag right now.

The Odyssey is a very strong ball and for someone thats a no-thumber I wouldn't suggest this ball

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #9 on:** June 07, 2007, 02:40:14 PM »

If you truly are going to be on heavy oil, I suggest crossing the Total NV off your list. It's not designed as a heavy oil ball -- it's meant to be used on a more moderate amount of oil where it has more of a chance to hook up and start its move.

Mustang Guy · « **Reply #10 on:** June 07, 2007, 03:27:34 PM »

After reading everyones ideas I would suggest the Horizon Solid too. In the Roto Grip lineup it would be your best choice for a ball to work on medium to heavy oil. I would not suggest the Lane Masters or Legends equipment ever. All medium to high RG cores. With your high speed they are going to give you the same trouble a Total NV or a Mystic would on those conditions with your style.

Thanks,

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Lemonade · « **Reply #11 on:** June 08, 2007, 12:48:23 AM »

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After reading everyones ideas I would suggest the Horizon Solid too. In the Roto Grip lineup it would be your best choice for a ball to work on medium to heavy oil. I would not suggest the Lane Masters or Legends equipment ever. All medium to high RG cores. With your high speed they are going to give you the same trouble a Total NV or a Mystic would on those conditions with your style.

I've looked into the Horizon solid a bit and it might seem like a good choice. But to be perfectly honest I don't understand what you mean about staying away from the Legends and Lane Masters balls. I don't bowl that fast honestly, maybe about 16.5-17 at the pin deck and the way I get behind the ball it doesn't seem to react much different then people using thumbs. If you could elaborate more on this it would be greatly appreciated, the more I learn the better off I am.

And about establishing a PAP...I'm going to be getting my spare ball drilled for me this Saturday and then getting my new ball (whatever I decide) next Saturday. So even though it's the spare ball would it help the driller to understand my VAL and PAP since the ball is going to be released the same way? And that in turn would prevent replugging and drilling my strike ball?

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #12 on:** June 08, 2007, 01:09:02 AM »

I find that interesting about the terminator since I shot 256 on fresh medium-heavy oil tonight with the ball???

Believe me the terminator is as strong as the odyssey as it comes polished from the factory, if it was at 1000 i would put money it would be stronger than a strong drilled Odyseey with the same bowler throwing them both. The cover is very strong and it has plenty of core too always make the corner, i missed twice the two frames the ball did not strike so it easily could have been a 300 with a better bowler throwing the ball.

quote:
After reading everyones ideas I would suggest the Horizon Solid too. In the Roto Grip lineup it would be your best choice for a ball to work on medium to heavy oil. I would not suggest the Lane Masters or Legends equipment ever. All medium to high RG cores. With your high speed they are going to give you the same trouble a Total NV or a Mystic would on those conditions with your style.

Thanks,

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Roger Noordhoek
Vice President
Business Development
Roto Grip, Inc.
888-450-6920
RogerN@rotogrip.com
www.rotogrip.com

For all your Roto Grip Logo Merchandise please visit www.rotogear.com

Edited on 6/8/2007 1:09 AM

bowlingmytmouse · « **Reply #13 on:** June 08, 2007, 06:29:40 AM »

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So even though it's the spare ball would it help the driller to understand my VAL and PAP since the ball is going to be released the same way? And that in turn would prevent replugging and drilling my strike ball?

Maybe, but then again maybe not. Especially if you switch between no thumb and using your thumb. I know that when I started bowling I had a high track and now its lowered quite a bit. Now just because your PAP changes doesn't automatically mean that your going to have to plucg your strike ball, but you may see that it works differently between your 2 releases. Maybe for the better, or you may get a totally adverse reaction. So thats why I say its better to go mid price because its cheaper for now and then later when your comfortable with your game you can step up to the EPIC series because your style won't alter as much as it will in your beginning stages.

I am just being nosey but where did your choices of: Odyssey, Total NV, Mystic, or the Terminator come from?

BMM

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charlest · « **Reply #14 on:** June 08, 2007, 06:40:15 AM »

quote:
After reading everyones ideas I would suggest the Horizon Solid too. In the Roto Grip lineup it would be your best choice for a ball to work on medium to heavy oil. I would not suggest the Lane Masters or Legends equipment ever. All medium to high RG cores. With your high speed they are going to give you the same trouble a Total NV or a Mystic would on those conditions with your style.

Thanks,
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Roger Noordhoek
Vice President
Business Development
Roto Grip, Inc.
888-450-6920
RogerN@rotogrip.com
www.rotogrip.com

I'd check on that concept if I were you, Roger. First not so smart thing I think I've ever heard you say. You know darned well that you can't take a ball's performance and base it SOLELY on a core's specifications. I've used a few Lanemasters balls and the cores and covers are matched very well in the 99% case. They do not have any problems handling speed dominant players. The correct combination of the right ball, surface and drilling manage that very well, as they do in any ball product line.

FYI I also use and have used more than a few Roto-Grip balls, FWIW.
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