Post by: themagician on May 06, 2008, 01:43:48 PM
So any suggestions as a ball that would a step down, mainly a little stronger downlane and less overall hook potential.
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Post by: themagician on May 06, 2008, 10:43:37 PM
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How about a shiny solid reactive version of the Helios II core?
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I like the sounds of that, really like the sounds of that.
Right now though I have penciled down ordering the Illusion and Neptune next month, and then if the ball your hinting at comes out definitely an option, as I like snappy stuff but the more consistent reacting stuff and I just seem to get along better.
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Post by: bowlingmytmouse on May 06, 2008, 10:58:40 PM
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Right now though I have penciled down ordering the Illusion and Neptune next month, and then if the ball your hinting at comes out definitely an option
Well keep your eraser handy, because if this thing is going to replace the huge shoes of the Horizon Solid, your gonna want one!
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Post by: micbowl on May 06, 2008, 11:11:16 PM
Post by: charlest on May 06, 2008, 11:13:31 PM
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Right now though I have penciled down ordering the Illusion and Neptune next month, and then if the ball your hinting at comes out definitely an option
Well keep your eraser handy, because if this thing is going to replace the huge shoes of the Horizon Solid, your gonna want one!
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Nope. With those core numbers and a POLISHED solid cover, it's a replacement for the one and only Silver Streak!
(Check out the core numbers for the Illusion and the Silver Streak pearl. Different shape but both are pearls and have virtually the same core specs.)
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Post by: vilecanards on May 06, 2008, 11:25:48 PM
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Post by: srlunatic on May 07, 2008, 04:39:21 AM
This ball has officially become my fav ball of all time....and yes I love my Cell, but the H. Solid has my heart..:-)
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Post by: srlunatic on May 07, 2008, 05:37:43 AM
I would think a very good step down is the Pluto to be honest. The numbers on the ball wouldn't indicate that it is as strong as it really is. Very nice reacting and very even. If you like the solid look as opposed to the pearl reactive look, I would definitely look at a Pluto. Very easy surface to change. Plus you really can't beat the price that is for sure!
Hope this helps.
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Post by: EboHammer4ever on May 07, 2008, 06:22:28 AM
Illusion
2000 grit polished, Helios II Core, Ultimate Vision Solid Reactive.
I want the Strike Cell to come out in the States!! Or at least a new version of the Horizon Solid.
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Post by: charlest on May 07, 2008, 06:38:52 AM
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What Roger describes is the Illusion if you look at the ball description.
Illusion
2000 grit polished, Helios II Core, Ultimate Vision Solid Reactive.
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But the Illusion is a pearl resin, not a solid.
I think most of us thought Roger was talking about the introduction of the Illusion's solid "brother".
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Post by: SDSTREET on May 07, 2008, 06:39:59 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but according to the Roto Grip website the Illusion is Ultimate Vision Pearlized.
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Post by: bowlingmytmouse on May 07, 2008, 06:54:24 AM
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Nope. With those core numbers and a POLISHED solid cover, it's a replacement for the one and only Silver Streak!
(Check out the core numbers for the Illusion and the Silver Streak pearl. Different shape but both are pearls and have virtually the same core specs.)
I guess I should have been a little more elaborate in my post...but hey it was late
I was not trying to say that the ball Roger mentioned was going to be a direct replacement for the Horizon Solid, just in its spot in the mid price line. I have yet to see a ball continued where a ball came out in its spot that didn't carry its own...and this case I think this ball would be a great step down from the cell. Dependent on layouts of course. As far as a Silver Streak replacement, the numbers are verrryyy close. But I will have to wait and see if they look the same on lane. The Silver Streak was/is a monster of its own. But I do have a feeling that we could see a Horizon Solid remake in the future...maybe a Horizon SE? With a Hybrid cover...oh my. *Faints* with just the thought of the possibility. LOL
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Post by: The SuperHitMan on May 07, 2008, 07:01:41 AM
Wheres the vid of you and DP3's cell vid?
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Post by: bowlingmytmouse on May 07, 2008, 07:59:14 AM
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Bowlingmytmouse!
Wheres the vid of you and DP3's cell vid?
Man stop hijacking threads...lmao. Check your PM!
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Post by: rotomike on May 07, 2008, 10:31:47 AM
I will take a shiny version of the Helios II core. But only if the color is kickin'. What color would you have in mind?
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Post by: northface28 on May 07, 2008, 11:35:26 AM
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Post by: bowlingmytmouse on May 07, 2008, 11:59:38 AM
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If the Saga and the Illusion share the same cover, isn't it a hybrid shell then?
The Saga is: Ultimate Vision Hybridâ„¢ Solid Reactive
The Illusion is: Ultimate Visionâ„¢ Pearl Reactive
So no the Illusion isn't a hybrid. If my mind serves me right, the only(U.S) hybrid balls that RG made so far are the Saga, Silver streak SE, and the Apocalypse. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by: abrown on May 07, 2008, 01:13:40 PM
Post by: themagician on May 07, 2008, 02:35:59 PM
Thanks for the comments everyone, a question to those who have owned/used both, how do the Pluto and Horizon Solid compare?
I really like the idea of the Cell, Fine Grit/Polished Solid, Snappy Pearl, Weak Pearl and adjusting surfaces as needed to give me a solid lineup.
I like the sounds of
Cell
The Solid w/ Helios II core or Horizon Solid
Illusion
Neptune
Along the lines of that, but its just guesstimation as of right now, an more suggestions would be great and i'll update upon purchase and use of the new stuff this summer.
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Post by: srlunatic on May 07, 2008, 03:39:44 PM
To me the Cell is a H. Solid on a bit of HGH.....I use the H. Solid when my Cell starts to jump too much. The Solid fits right in and if you look at the reaction at the pin deck...it is very similar to the Cell.....just flat out hits....
The Pluto gets a little bit more length (H. Solid 800 matte...Pluto 2000 Abralon) but is still smooth and strong and very controllable. I think the Pluto would give you a longer look than the H. Solid and the H Solid would be smoother off the break point (but the Pluto by no means is too sharp of the breakpoint).
My lineup is very similiar...
Odyssey - Silly strong on the back end ....
Cell - Silly strong throughout the lane...
H Solid - Smooooooooooooooooooooooth
Illusion - Loves the med to med dry and when the heads go...
Hope this helps somewhat!
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Post by: themagician on May 07, 2008, 03:47:33 PM
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Horizon Solid is a bit early and a bit smooth and a bit controlled and a great bit of hitting power!!
To me the Cell is a H. Solid on a bit of HGH.....I use the H. Solid when my Cell starts to jump too much. The Solid fits right in and if you look at the reaction at the pin deck...it is very similar to the Cell.....just flat out hits....
The Pluto gets a little bit more length (H. Solid 800 matte...Pluto 2000 Abralon) but is still smooth and strong and very controllable. I think the Pluto would give you a longer look than the H. Solid and the H Solid would be smoother off the break point (but the Pluto by no means is too sharp of the breakpoint).
My lineup is very similiar...
Odyssey - Silly strong on the back end ....
Cell - Silly strong throughout the lane...
H Solid - Smooooooooooooooooooooooth
Illusion - Loves the med to med dry and when the heads go...
Hope this helps somewhat!
Mike
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Thanks for the reply, the detail was nice, it almost makes me wonder though if the pluto and h-solid at 2000 would be nearly identical.
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