Post by: BackToBasics on December 28, 2007, 01:54:52 AM
Now, how to describe the roll....Strong roll off the spot comes to mind. No jerk but there is a change of direction and then just a heavy continuous roll. Very controllable and it reads transition very well. Used it on an overwalled house-shot where the scores were very low. Extremely wet-dry (like hit 6 go runaway brooklyn...hit 7 smack 3 in face). The Cell allowed me to cross into the dry but with a controlled roll off the spot. But when I missed in a little, it still recovered. It was very forgiving on a shot that is normally my nemesis because of my rotation. Moves were very predictable. Managed a 720 with a 262 sweep the last game (don't ask
). It should get some play the next week. Lots of tournaments this weekend and through New Year's days so I'll have more info and comparisons later. But the Cell, a solid covered ball that has some "angle" and continuation, will be a big hit for Roto.
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Post by: The SuperHitMan on December 28, 2007, 09:58:14 AM
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Post by: rotomike on December 29, 2007, 06:42:00 AM
I placed the ball on the determinator and noticed that the ball spun to the MB in 6" seconds stabilized and then moved on. The continuation of a Symmetric ball with the strong move of an Asymmetric.
Took it to the lanes: Box finish for the reviews below.
41' med wet THS - Phenomenal reaction same motion that I saw on the determinator. The continuation off of the spot was great. THE BIG ADVANTAGE is that the ball did not jump when I missed into the dry. It arced strongly but did not over hook. The hit is very impressive, strong pin action.
PBA Shark 44'- I was anxious to try this ball on the new Shark pattern due to the fact that the new Shark pattern has a bit more friction wide of third arrow. I have been using a 800 Horizon Solid with pin low 4"x4". The Cell was about 5 - 8 boards stronger than the Horizon with my feet and I did not have to alter my ball speed for this long pattern. The Cell will also be a great ball for carrydown. This ball motion is strong.
PBA Cheetah 35' - The pattern was way too short for this ball with this layout. I could stand as far away from the edge as I wanted and as long as I got it to the 2-3 board it came back. Hit was huge.
Overall - The continuation off of the spot is the most impressive part of this new monster. The fact that I could use it in box form on both a THS and on Sharks says a lot for the cover on this ball. Any one who has trouble getting a ball to finish will love this ball.
BTW my ball speed is in the 19 MPH range with a rev rate of about 350 - 375 .
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Post by: charlest on December 29, 2007, 07:03:20 AM
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Managed a 720 with a 262 sweep the last game.
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But, Anthony, you can do that with any ball!
Even I like what this ball sounds like, and only God knows how much I don't need another ball
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Decided to go with a familiar layout. Pin 5" below ring, MB at 55* and hole on VAL through CG. Box finish.
I'm getting to like that drill a lot also.
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Post by: charlest on December 29, 2007, 04:46:54 PM
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....only God knows how much I don't need another ball.
Not just God. Don't forget your spouse and all of your friends. But perhaps the Cell is finally the right ball. God knows all that non-Roto Grip stuff you keep trying isn't getting the job done. And it's not just me burning up the pattern either :-)
I've got to get Rick to post my latest arsenal picture to the TI website....
Mark
Hey, that Buzz I used 2 weeks ago did darned good. The Venus was the ball I had trouble with. He-he!
Changed the surface to 3000 grit, for next time!
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Post by: BackToBasics on December 29, 2007, 09:51:57 PM
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But, Anthony, you can do that with any ball!
But I wouldn't look as good
Used the Cell again today for 7 out of 8 games on a PBA Viper pattern and came away even more impressed. This particular surface has a lot of friction in so hold never really develops. Also, pair to pair moves were ridiculous (like 260 to 150) so scoring was very low. I managed 4th at 31 over and that's with 7 missed spares (don't ask). Quite a few people were impressed with the few games where I was crossing 18 at the arrows out to 5 and getting recovery in the OB. I was able to move all over with the Cell from hooking it near 4th arrow to up the back down 1st. It pushed enough but where it really shined was how much it picked up in the midlane and continued. It's been a long time since I've had a solid pick up like that and still recover. Carry has been very impressive.
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Post by: BackToBasics on December 30, 2007, 02:42:25 PM
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Have you continued to keep it at the out of box finish?
Yes. Started out in box and haven't touched it since. There is some lane polish but not as much as in the past for the solids I've used.
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Post by: tloy on December 30, 2007, 05:07:52 PM
So this does not pick up lane shine as easly as the Epic line? Thank you
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Post by: BackToBasics on December 30, 2007, 08:26:51 PM
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So this does not pick up lane shine as easly as the Epic line? Thank you
No, not that I've seen. I have 10 games on it already since Thursday and it still looks like it has some surface. Obviously not box, but not like 4000 or even shinier. The Odyssey and SD seemed to require more frequent hits with scotchbrite to keep the surface. Maybe it's just me. Hopefully others will chime in once it gets more play.
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on December 31, 2007, 06:54:08 AM
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Post by: rotomike on December 31, 2007, 08:27:59 AM
I agree with Tony that so far I have not had to use the pads with the Cell and I have bowled 5 times with the Cell (twice on Shark) It does not seem to shine up nearly as quickly as other balls. I do however try to keep the ball clean. Reacta-Clean works well.
NOTE: The cover on the SD-73 is an older formula and requires a bit more maintainence than new covers.
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Post by: bowl400 on January 06, 2008, 12:24:30 PM
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Post by: toomanytenpins on January 07, 2008, 04:14:40 PM
Second question how should i drill it . my odyssey is set up with 4 in. pin to pap drilled under the ring finger with mb at 45 degrees . this is a good drill with good ball motion and good carry thinking of having the cell drilled the same . if i go any closer pin to pap strong balls tend to burn up on me. Low speed low rev player med track and can pretty much play ant part of the lane.Except reverse block, hard for me to keep the ball inside of 10 without going through the nose. And non of my equipment has the recovery if i miss into the oob.
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Post by: tloy on January 07, 2008, 07:47:31 PM
I just got my Cell drilled today and for me,( Med revs med speed, stroker) it is definately stronger than my Odyssey and earlier and more continious than my Battle. For me this is the first reactive that I have thrown that is this strong... I have mine laid out pin @ 3.5 inch from pap with a 45 degree layout, strong and continious. I want some long oil to throw this monster on!!!!!!!!
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Post by: 1MechEng on January 07, 2008, 08:34:31 PM
Do you have any insight or comparisons on the reaction shape and strength of movement of the cell vs. Roto's competitors "big hook" offerings?
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Post by: 1MechEng on January 07, 2008, 09:28:21 PM
Can you elaborate please? Thanks!
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Post by: charlest on January 07, 2008, 10:06:27 PM
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The new coverstock technology is awesome ! Slower oil absorbtion rate will extend the life of the coverstock. ....
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Post by: DP3 on January 07, 2008, 10:09:17 PM
Different shape from Roto from what I'm seeing. I may be punching one on the 15th of the month. It's rare for me to see one of the new balls in action and like the read and immediately know that it'll fit my style and what I'm looking for. I've been dying to see something that I can get inside with and "throw it over there" and still be predictable yet strong around the corner.
There haven't been alot of "must have balls" out lately within the last year I've seen but for this year so far, the Cell definately is one.
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Post by: Mustang Guy on January 08, 2008, 12:23:47 AM
Great ball at a great price. Do you want to try one? Shoot me an email with your mailing address and ball weight. I'd like to offer you one.
Let me know.
PS - that wasn't an open invitation for everyone to ask for a freebie
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Post by: Raven829 on January 08, 2008, 03:26:05 AM
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Post by: tloy on January 08, 2008, 05:11:12 AM
If you liked the original Epic you will love the Cell. It is strong and continious like the original Epic. Give it a try , I promise you will not be disappointed...
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Post by: scotts33 on January 08, 2008, 05:37:07 AM
Steve Richter said his seed ball was high flaring....flare rings far apart but I don't know if he did anything with his surface nor the layout.
Seems there is a lot of interest which is great!
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Post by: Mustang Guy on January 08, 2008, 12:13:44 PM
We have re-priced the Cell to be extremely near the price point of our Mystic/Illusion ball. The Cell shouldn't cost you nearly as much as the Odyssey. I just wanted you to keep that in mind.
Sorry you had a bad experience with the Odyssey.
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Post by: charlest on January 08, 2008, 05:29:26 PM
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Charlest - We are also offering this 'Premium' ball at an affordable price. The Cell is being introduced at the same price point as out Illusion/Mystic.
All the Lanemasters balsl use their "premium" resin, no matter the price range. Regardless, I still regard all Roto-Grip balls as values, and FWIW, I have been seriously considering a Cell; have tried several other Roto Grips- kept and will keep the Venus, (& the Rush)!
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Great ball at a great price. Do you want to try one? Shoot me an email with your mailing address and ball weight. I'd like to offer you one.
Let me know.
PS - that wasn't an open invitation for everyone to ask for a freebie
Thank you.
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OKAY, Roger, That's an offer I cannot refuse. You'll be gearing from me. Might be useful when Mark Curran and I go to Nationals in March. I am brand insensitive. If any ball is a "good" ball to my eye, I will try it, and often more than once.
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Post by: charlest on January 08, 2008, 05:36:32 PM
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Raven,
We have re-priced the Cell to be extremely near the price point of our Mystic/Illusion ball. The Cell shouldn't cost you nearly as much as the Odyssey. I just wanted you to keep that in mind.
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I can corroborate that, at least on internet pricing; several places have very low prices on the Cell currently, for a premium performance ball with a mass bias core.
FYI I was seriously internet surfing for a good price last night; I was contemplating trying a Cell. Hank Boomershine's analysis of his approach to designing the Cell and the professional reviews by both BTM and BJI have been absolutely glowing. How could I resist?
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Post by: A_P_K on January 08, 2008, 05:54:09 PM
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Raven,
We have re-priced the Cell to be extremely near the price point of our Mystic/Illusion ball. The Cell shouldn't cost you nearly as much as the Odyssey. I just wanted you to keep that in mind.
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I can corroborate that, at least on internet pricing; several places have very low prices on the Cell currently, for a premium performance ball with a mass bias core.
FYI I was seriously internet surfing for a good price last night; I was contemplating trying a Cell. Hank Boomershine's analysis of his approach to designing the Cell and the professional reviews by both BTM and BJI have been absolutely glowing. How could I resist?
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Post by: TheDude on January 09, 2008, 09:26:58 AM
This ball's shape is really different. The coverstock's reaction to friction really is agressive. Its a transition i haven't seen before on the market.
And the price point is a winner makes it an easy sell.
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Post by: rotomike on January 10, 2008, 08:36:11 PM
My teammate and I had Excaliburs in our hands while the rest of my pair had black U-dots.
Drilled my 2nd Cell pin 4" from PAP low with the cg kicked out and a low hole. MB is 4" rom PAP.
Tonight we bowled on PBA Shark 44' and a wet version at that. By the end of the 2nd game of our 4 game set my teamie and I were ten boards deeper than our opponents and still moving in while our opponents couldn't get their balls to turn the corner.
I cannot say enough about the continuation off of the spot the Cell has. It doesn't just make a strong move like an Odyssey it has continuation through the pindeck. One famed ball company rep says you should watch the ball roll through the triangle at the end of the lane. This ball gives the player a look that I have not seen in a long time. I thought that the new oils might have erased this look for all except the high rev players but the Cell puts this look back in the hand of strokers and tweeners.
You would be a fool not to try a Cell.
WAIT!!!!! Did I mention the price of the ball is affordable???
Super performance at a reasonable price!!!!
Yeah this sounds like a sales pitch but after what I have seen the past two weeks with the Cell in the hands of many players you would be a fool to not give this ball a try!!!!!
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Post by: toomanytenpins on January 10, 2008, 08:48:02 PM
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Post by: bowl400 on January 11, 2008, 01:08:28 PM
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Post by: tenpinspro on January 11, 2008, 01:31:27 PM
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ok, ordered one from buddies today. 2.5-3 top, 2-3 pin. looking to drill it 4X3 pin down for medium heavy house shots. hopefully it will perform better than the other "premium" ball i purchased this year.
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Post by: crankncrash on January 11, 2008, 09:10:12 PM
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Charlest - We are also offering this 'Premium' ball at an affordable price. The Cell is being introduced at the same price point as out Illusion/Mystic.
Great ball at a great price. Do you want to try one? Shoot me an email with your mailing address and ball weight. I'd like to offer you one.
Let me know.
PS - that wasn't an open invitation for everyone to ask for a freebie
Thank you.
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Ahh my old friend Roger,
I certainly see that Roto has come a long way from the Fuel of old that was the fuel of my fire against Roto, pun intended. That ball was a an all time learning experience for me and probably a nice big headache for you. I get upset thinking about our conversations just sitting here, haha. Sorry about that.
That said, this ball has my attention atleast. I need a ball that will do what I'm hearing this ball is good at. If I happen to run into somebody with one and get to check it out and like what I see, I might have to order one for the shop and punch it out. We haven't drilled any roto at the shop since the planet series first came out and we brought some in, maybe this is the ball to get us rolling again.
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Post by: RevLefty on January 12, 2008, 02:32:27 AM
I drilled this ball last night. Pin is just under bride on center line cg is kicked left under ring finger and the mass bias is about 2 inches left of thumb. Balance hole on val just under my pap to bring back to 7/8ths on side and 3/8ths on thumb. Left ball in oob surface
I bowled on a 38 foot Ths after some open bowling on it which gave me alot of soup in middle and carrydown. This ball is absolutely amazing handles oil like it isnt there and trust me you need it with this ball or put it away. I normally play on this condition with my feet at 19 throwing thru 14 at arrows to about 5 with something polished and med. At this house for me if i move inside of that it skids all way to pocket or miss left with my ball speed. Usually start out with my toxic at this point.
That said tried that line ball hooked at arrows took out 6 pin. So i made a 5 and five move throwing 19 at arrows with feet at around 24 tried to send out to 5 didnt make it started hooking at about 10 and never stoped thru deck which it went brooklyn. Threw my toxic on same line I hit the 2 4 didnt even get to pocket. Threw my epic oddessy on this line and it came up on light side in pocket. Moved another 5 feet with feet and and threw through 22 at arrows got it out to 8 and it came screaming back to pocket and cotinued all way thru deck. The move off the spot is very strong but not a flip the only thing that moves harder off spot I have is black widow bite but that cant handle nearly the amount of oil this gem can. This ball had a similar reaction and could handle as much oil as my sharp blade which is a med load particle that is at 800 grit. I dont even want to imagine the cell at anything under 2000 abralon I would have no need for it. This ball is flat out amazing at first glance It can handle heavy oil and when you get it to dry it doesnt overreact it is controllable. This is a must buy cant wait to get another so i can polish it so i can use this gem on more conditions.
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Post by: All10 on January 12, 2008, 01:59:50 PM
it rolled fantastic and just keeps rolling up. I need to take the surface up some though it just hooks so much.
Post by: Mustang Guy on January 13, 2008, 09:40:50 AM
Good to hear from you. Feel free to shot me a PM. Would like to discuss this ball with you some more.
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Post by: toomanytenpins on January 13, 2008, 02:25:19 PM
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Post by: Nails on January 13, 2008, 02:43:22 PM
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u guys got me again.I had my cell drilled just like my odyssey. From all the reviews i was expecting something really special. No over under heavy oil ball ,versatile ,use on many conditions,blah blah blah blah .Just as much a dud as the battle in heavy oil. this ball doesnt come close to the move my odyssey has. I left so many 10 pins solid 8's pocket splits it wasnt even funny. I only thru my odyssey to compare .I intentionally kept using the cell . Playing different lines different hand positions .You name it i tryed it.Hand s down it doesnt come close to the odyssey. As much of a let down in heavy oil as the rising was and the battle and every other ball i have bought for heavy. Ok i can probably take the surface down ,but most of you guys are saying it was too strong at oob. So whats the point .This is the absolute last new ball i buy based on reviews and recommendations. Someone in this thread said they strongly recommened this ball for rev and speed challenged bowlers . I got sucked right in .Once again i had the better ball already. I am not even going to waste the time sanding it down . I am sure i wont be able to use it on the house shots we see either cause it will be too strong with loads of over /under. And on top of that i paid 20 dollars more for it than i would have had i waited 2 days.I knew i should have passed when someone refered to it as having a morich type move. my wmb is sitting in the garage and will be there until i sell it. I couldnt wait to bowl today . And for what .To see that once again i dont match up to whats supposed to be a great ball.
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Why do you keep buying balls? You hate everything. Leaving 10's and 8's is about matching up your roll and angle to the pattern. No ball is going to magically strike just because it hits the 1-3. Just about every ball you've disliked has been made for medium heavy to heavy oil. I'd be willing to bet that you don't bowl on that, your timing or release is below average, or you are strongly speed dominant. Watching Wiseman on last week's telecast throw the Cell down the outside on Shark showed me that it is definitely a strong ball. If you threw it today, it's highly doubtful you threw it on anything more than a medium oil house shot. That's why the Odyssey "hooks" more than your Battle, WMB, and the other 20 balls you bought for "heavy oil". The other possibility is that there was a lot of carry down after Saturday Rock N' Bowl. If there's a ton of carry down, nothing can look good. You have to go way around it one way or the other.
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Post by: toomanytenpins on January 13, 2008, 04:22:21 PM
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Post by: Raven829 on January 13, 2008, 04:43:16 PM
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u guys got me again.I had my cell drilled just like my odyssey. From all the reviews i was expecting something really special. No over under heavy oil ball ,versatile ,use on many conditions,blah blah blah blah .Just as much a dud as the battle in heavy oil. this ball doesnt come close to the move my odyssey has. I left so many 10 pins solid 8's pocket splits it wasnt even funny. I only thru my odyssey to compare .I intentionally kept using the cell . Playing different lines different hand positions .You name it i tryed it.Hand s down it doesnt come close to the odyssey. As much of a let down in heavy oil as the rising was and the battle and every other ball i have bought for heavy. Ok i can probably take the surface down ,but most of you guys are saying it was too strong at oob. So whats the point .This is the absolute last new ball i buy based on reviews and recommendations. Someone in this thread said they strongly recommened this ball for rev and speed challenged bowlers . I got sucked right in .Once again i had the better ball already. I am not even going to waste the time sanding it down . I am sure i wont be able to use it on the house shots we see either cause it will be too strong with loads of over /under. And on top of that i paid 20 dollars more for it than i would have had i waited 2 days.I knew i should have passed when someone refered to it as having a morich type move. my wmb is sitting in the garage and will be there until i sell it. I couldnt wait to bowl today . And for what .To see that once again i dont match up to whats supposed to be a great ball.
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Your post has me all kinds of confused. First off, you blame the users here for your bad decision/ball reaction. Just because you don't match up with a ball doesn't mean it is a bad ball. And speaking of matching up...you tried it on exactly 1 oil pattern with 1 layout and 1 surface and you are ripping the ball?!?! You're such a good bowler that you can already tell that there's no way it will work on anything else with any other surface prep. If your Odyssey was working so well for you, then why try another ball to do the job better? It might be time for you to re-evaluate your bowling decisions. If you keep making the same bad decisions in equipment, then that is on you, not anyone else.
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Post by: tburky on January 13, 2008, 10:24:50 PM
Post by: Mustang Guy on January 14, 2008, 12:43:46 PM
Sorry to hear you aren't happy with the Cell. I'm sure you are just frustrated in your quest to find a ball that works for you where you bowl.
I don't think the issue here is that it didn't match up to you. By reading your post you have struggled with the battle, odyssey, WMB, and a few other balls in heavy oil. I don't think you are going to find "that" ball to work at the house you are bowling at with the amount of oil they lay down on the lanes. Most of the balls you mentioned have and do work for other bowlers with other styles on heavier patterns. As 1 person stated on the Shark pattern the Cell rolled significantly well for Wiseman.
More than likey the best advise I can offer is to try to work on your ball speed and/or rev rate so you have some better luck using the equipment you are investing money in.
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Post by: Rotoman Dan on January 14, 2008, 01:22:33 PM
I am sure that this has been asked of you before, but how about posting a video with you throwing a few shots with both the Odyssey and the Cell? Perhaps then we can get to the bottom of what is the issue.
How about it? Can you post a video somewhere, youtube or something?
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Post by: northface28 on January 14, 2008, 04:01:35 PM
Or its possible he is not on heavy oil. Of all those extremely aggressive balls, I have a very hard time believing none of them work. Something just doesn't add up. I know this is echoed a lot on this board, but you should seriously consider investing in some coaching.
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Post by: gfh2a on January 14, 2008, 04:22:01 PM
You have to take these reviews with a grain of salt.
One their not going to say anything bad about a ball.
Two I'm willing to bet all of these guys can't throw a bad ball. Meaning their revs and speed match they make everything look good.
Myself have found a ball that matches up well for me (epic). I have spent a couple of thousand dollars trying to find something better. The core and cover just seem to match up with my style. My advice would be to quit trying to find better and buy another odyssey for when they discontinue it.
George
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Post by: crankncrash on January 14, 2008, 04:22:19 PM
Post by: toomanytenpins on January 14, 2008, 06:07:18 PM
Other balls being thrown ,rising resurgence,mammouth,every agent,scorchin troad solid,big one nv,just to name a few. And for the most part everything being thrown has more surface than oob.
Why i keep buying balls,because i am curious.Not neccessarily to make me a better bowler. I would like to make love to every beautiful womam i see and if i could for 150 a piece i probably would,since i cant i buy balls,and dont act like i am the only one. I am looking for the wow i got from my odyssey and my epic. for the wow i get from my rising. So i read and i get curious and i buy a ball. as far as a video,i know i have flaws i am a 190 bowler 1 less open from a 200 bowler so my game is not pba ,but for the most part i am ok. I intentionally thru the cell yesterday to see what if anything i could do with it. Not because i was looking for it to save me. I could have shot the odyssey and done well.
Took the ball out agin last night and we had more oil than usual but nothing like sunday morning. I thru 4 straight washouts. I was honeslty expecting a monstor hook from the ball. I picked up my rising as was able to line up and bowl well. I was expecting the hook i get from my rising with the cell on heavier oil. I was expecting the hook i get from my odyssey only stronger. Didnt get it .Not even close the same line i shot with my rising and struck i got a washout with the cell. the same line i played with my odyssey sunday morning and left a 7 pin i got a washout with the cell.
Now since i just got the ball and i really hadnt gotten a feel for it i went to the lanes today and what i see in the cell is a ball that doesnt move alot of boards ,but it covers them with vigor. I was playing the cell and pluto in the same area and actually had to give the pluto more room. three boards difference with the feet and the pluto is drilled pin up . I know not enough oil; i might agree except that the cell was striking very conviningly from this spot. when i moved left to see what it would do it did nothing. Move back right and 10 in the pit. this is not what i expected. So imho from what i see is a ball that doesnt give a ton of hook ,but given its line to the pocket which is tight for me it is continuos on the back thru the pin deck but if i miss right it wont recover and thats what i saw all day sunday. even when i squared up with it in the oil or on the track line it went 60 ft. when i moved right with the feet i couldnt keep it online ,(hard for me to point). Today on this 38 ft. house shot i was standing 22 with the left foot hitting 15 at the arrows out to 10/12 and it carried. If i missed left it would hold and strike if i missed right it wasnt a washout ,but it wasnt getting back to the 1 3 with any authority. I am sure i could take it down in surface and it might be better suited for heavy oil,but at 2000 this is the same surface the odyssey came at and on this same shot i would stand 35 with the feet with the odyssey and have a 3 to 5 board window. And remmember i was playing the pluto 3 boards left of where i was playing the cell. My ball speed today was between 14 and 15.5 yesterday i was throwing 11 and 12.
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Post by: toomanytenpins on January 14, 2008, 06:08:56 PM
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Post by: toomanytenpins on January 14, 2008, 06:14:44 PM
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Post by: Rotoman Dan on January 14, 2008, 08:19:22 PM
Do you want help, or do you just want to be upset that the ball you bought isn't working the way you thought it would? It's up to you, but what have you got to lose by giving us a video of your ball reaction?
Another question I have, is there another center near you that DOESN'T have a reverse block put out that you could throw at? I'd be curious to know what your results are at a different house that puts out a more typical house shot(THS) with drier outsides and wetter in the middle.
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Edited on 1/14/2008 9:20 PM
Post by: toomanytenpins on January 14, 2008, 09:06:45 PM
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Post by: BackToBasics on January 15, 2008, 10:42:58 AM
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Would the cell be good for my up the back, medium speed release?
Anthony has more time on his Cell -- perhaps he and some of the other staffers with pro shops will comment too. Although I'm not sure Anthony know's what "up the back of the ball" looks like :-)
Sorry I'm just seeing this as I've been on vacation buy hey, I can come up the back of it to about 30*
Although my E game is up the back, the few games I had a chance to do it still recovered pretty well. I normally have to miss left but the Cell gave me some miss right. So I think it should match well with low rotation/med speed players.When I put tape on the MB to watch it's migration, it was strong and steady. It's like the core maintains it's tilt which is why it recovers so well and continues.
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Post by: bowl400 on January 18, 2008, 07:54:41 PM
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Post by: northface28 on January 19, 2008, 01:09:35 AM
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ok, 15# cell with 2.5" pin, had tenpinspro drill the suggested 4X4, layout B. with my pap, ended up with ring finger through the pin and MB about 1.5" to the right of thumb. left oob. tried it at older synthetic house just before the evening oiling. senior leagues and open play before me, but lots of oil to left of third arrow. started first with a pin up rising standing 30 targeting 10 just to establish a beginning point. rising was smashing with this starting position and angle. switched to cell and immediately had to make a 10/5 move because it was hooking too early. after i moved in deeper, ball just rolled up and smashed. very impressive. will report again after i try it on a fresher shot with more oil.
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How do you stand on 30 and target 10? Is it possible to stand this far from your target?
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Edited on 1/19/2008 2:34 AM
Post by: Jim12387 on January 19, 2008, 01:19:13 AM
I have never used a ball that handles so much oil but still has an angular backend reaction!!!
This is my first Roto-Grip ball, and it will not be my last. Thanks to THE CELL!!!!!!
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MIT '14
Post by: bowl400 on January 19, 2008, 08:50:29 AM
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Post by: silverwing on January 19, 2008, 12:33:12 PM
Post by: toomanytenpins on January 19, 2008, 12:47:56 PM
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Post by: A_P_K on January 19, 2008, 03:01:04 PM
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I got one this Thursday, with a 4 x 4 x 3 1/2 layout on it. This is probably the strongest ball I've ever thrown. I tried to use it in my league this morning, which has a 39ft heavier house pattern (which also had A LOT of carrydown), and I could barely control it. I also have the Epic with the exact same layout, and it's at least 10 boards stronger.
I recently acquired a used Epic, reading this almost makes me scared to purchase the Cell.
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