Post by: rockerbowler18 on November 05, 2008, 09:12:21 AM
Hell, I even waited 'til Obama was elected, but still, no Change. (maybe that's not the change he was promising?)
Anyone else have problems with the ball? If so, what did you do to fix them?
Mine's drilled pin above ring finger, MB out at about 30*.
Just not a great peice, but I don't wanna cut my losses on such an expensive ball, especially when it's supposed to be such a great one.
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Rev Rate: 400-450
Speed: 16-17 mph
Current Average: 236
Post by: northface28 on November 05, 2008, 05:55:26 PM
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Post by: Tess7654 on November 05, 2008, 05:57:26 PM
Post by: charlest on November 05, 2008, 06:07:58 PM
If you haven't gotten the Cell to work for you, then that is one thing. To put it in such a negative light, is only looking for attention and is wrong, because the Cell cannot suck when SO MANY love it and use daily, and it is such an incredible success.
If you want help in making it work for you, tell us
- what drillings and what surfaces you have tried,
- what oil pattern and amount you have used each drilling on,
- what your axis, tilt, rotation, ball speed is
- what balls, their surface and drilligns have worked for you on each of the patterns and amounts on which the Cell has not worked.
If you don't really want help, then .... {expletive delted}
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on November 05, 2008, 06:29:48 PM
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Post by: J_L_B on November 05, 2008, 06:35:48 PM
Post by: rockerbowler18 on November 05, 2008, 06:44:45 PM
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Not everyone matches up with the same equipment....as good as the black widows are I didnt match up with them that well.
I had the same problem with the Black Widow Solid. Didn't care for it much either.
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Your subject leaves much to be desired.
If you haven't gotten the Cell to work for you, then that is one thing. To put it in such a negative light, is only looking for attention and is wrong, because the Cell cannot suck when SO MANY love it and use daily, and it is such an incredible success.
If you want help in making it work for you, tell us
- what drillings and what surfaces you have tried,
- what oil pattern and amount you have used each drilling on,
- what your axis, tilt, rotation, ball speed is
- what balls, their surface and drilligns have worked for you on each of the patterns and amounts on which the Cell has not worked.
If you don't really want help, then .... {expletive delted}
The reason I said it sucked is that it does for me. I clarified that in the post. Also, the controversial "Cell Sucks" topic was used to get people to look at the post. Had I said something like "the cell is less than adequate in this situation" I probably wouldn't have gotten anyone's attention.
I told you the drilling I've used. Pin above ring finger by a 1/4 inch, CG under ring by 2.5 Inches, mass bias at about 30*, no weight hole necessary.
As far as surface prep:
1000 Abby
2000 Abby
4000 Abby
all wet sand, also dry scuffed at all of these
2000 Abby w/ polish
4000 Abby w/ polish
I've thrown it on the Scorpion (minimal success), Chameleon (most success, though still minimal, modified House shot short (36 ft.), modified House Shot long (42 ft.), THS med oil, fresh, broken down, custom sport shot at a tournament that didn't release pattern info (I'm not sure what it looked like, but it was heavy oil and about 42 ft).
My rev rate: 400-450
Speed: 16-17
Tilt, not sure...PAP is at about 5 1/2 over, 1/4 up
Turn, I've thrown this thing with 90* turn, I've thrown it with 15* turn...
I've had success on the Scorpion with the Playmaker/SR300
Success on the Chameleon with Smash Time and a little with the Cell, but not much.
Short mod. House - Playmaker/Smash Time
Long Mod. House - Smash Time/Av. Pearl
THS - everything I freakin own. Smash Time, Playmaker, SR300, The One...the list goes on.
As for the custom shot, Playmaker/SR300 was best luck for me.
Playmaker - 4000 abby, no polish
SR300 - 2000 abby, no polish
The One - 4000 abby, high polish
Smash Time - 1000 abby, no polish
Av. Pearl - 2000 Abby, polished
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Rev Rate: 400-450
Speed: 16-17 mph
Current Average: 236
Post by: rockerbowler18 on November 05, 2008, 06:47:18 PM
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It's never the ball that sucks.
Did you even read the post, you retard?
It says I'm not a big fan and I can't get the ball to work for me. Don't imply that I suck, because I assure that's not the case. I just don't match up with the ball. However, I'm not rich, and I'm not willing to cut my losses with a $200 ball just yet.
If you don't have something constructive to say, don't say anything. I wasn't asking for a lesson, that's what my coach is for.
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Rev Rate: 400-450
Speed: 16-17 mph
Current Average: 236
Post by: BowlingWolf on November 05, 2008, 07:02:59 PM
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It's never the ball that sucks.
Did you even read the post, you retard?
It says I'm not a big fan and I can't get the ball to work for me. Don't imply that I suck, because I assure that's not the case. I just don't match up with the ball. However, I'm not rich, and I'm not willing to cut my losses with a $200 ball just yet.
If you don't have something constructive to say, don't say anything. I wasn't asking for a lesson, that's what my coach is for.
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Robb's Pro Shops
Rev Rate: 400-450
Speed: 16-17 mph
Current Average: 236
For someone that quotes Deepak Chopra in his profile, you sure seem angry.
Anyway, I think that what J_L_B was trying to say is basically that "it ain't the tool's fault, it's the carpenter's".
To a certain degree I agree with you about how a certain ball may not match up to one's game, but to go out of the way and say that the Cell sucks, sounds a little too harsh of an assessment.
Had you merely stated that the Cell may not be a ball that you can read the lanes with or find a consistency with, etc., then you wouldn't have illicited such negative responses.
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Post by: rockerbowler18 on November 05, 2008, 07:05:10 PM
The reason I said it sucked is that it does for me. I clarified that in the post. Also, the controversial "Cell Sucks" topic was used to get people to look at the post. Had I said something like "the cell is less than adequate in this situation" I probably wouldn't have gotten anyone's attention.
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Robb's Pro Shops
Rev Rate: 400-450
Speed: 16-17 mph
Current Average: 236
Post by: charlest on November 05, 2008, 07:10:19 PM
I'm curious as to the major symptom of the problem(s) with the ball. I assume there were different problems with different surfaces and when used on different patterns. The most significant problem(s) would give a better idea (Carry, getting to the pocket, lack of control, hitting weak, rolling out).
That MB angle is slightly on the extreme side, usually used for people with lots of rotation (It would have worked with a 90 degree release) or people with lots of tilt. You seem to have neither. That would partially explain some of your problem.
-> Did you use the One with a similar MB drilling?
A 30 degree MB position would also have reduced the backend somewhat, but the MB strength is not as strong as The One's MB.
Heavy polish or polish on top of fine Abralon (liek 2000 or 4000 grit) tends to make the Cell a lot more flippy and hard to control.
1000 Abralon with Polish would have been good for some extra length if the 2000 Abralon stock surface was too early, AS long as the polish wasn't overdone.
With your rev rate, a 600 or 800 grit (nylon pad) would be good for medium-hevay oil to heavy patterns like the Shark. (The stock 2000 Abralon on the Cell is roughly 1000 grit US, compared to the green pad's 600 grit US and the grey pad's 800 grit US.)
The Cell is probably closest overall to a 2000 Abralon sanded The One, in general.
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Post by: bowl 2 win on November 05, 2008, 07:13:27 PM
Roto4ever is going to kill me when he sees this, lol, sorry Jarrett!
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Post by: Dan Belcher on November 05, 2008, 07:24:05 PM
Post by: rockerbowler18 on November 05, 2008, 07:32:22 PM
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I'm with you rocker, I've thrown a few of them and I have not been impressed. Higher rev rates do not match up well with this ball, maybe the pearl but not this one. I have seen a few people with little to no hand have some success with it, but again, not enough to impress me that this is the "best ball to ever be released". I will keep going with Ebo as it matches up the best with my game and keep trying these "awesome" balls that these other companies keep putting out witn no avail.
Roto4ever is going to kill me when he sees this, lol, sorry Jarrett!
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Basically, that's me. I've tried other companies, but never had much success.
I was certainly not looking for a big reaction with this ball, and with low grit, I was running into "hook off the hand, no finish". When I got the higher grits out, I started getting over under reactions.
Just not my fave ball, and I was looking for someone who could help me out.
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Robb's Pro Shops
Rev Rate: 400-450
Speed: 16-17 mph
Current Average: 236
Post by: Kinalyx on November 05, 2008, 09:02:05 PM
What turned me around on the cell was this. I went 500 abralon + polish, the ball got decent length, but still kept it nice hard arc to the pocket. I tried going 1000 & more + polish & it just got squirty on me.
Maybe try my 500 + polish( i use beans secret sauce ).
I had nothing but hate for the ball until i went this route, now, its one of my main goto balls.
Shawn
Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 05, 2008, 09:02:46 PM
Seriously not joking either it was way too early and was not great until the correct change was finally figured out.
Edited on 11/5/2008 10:04 PM
Post by: charlest on November 05, 2008, 09:09:46 PM
At every surface you used, on each pattern, there was probably one potential change that might have helped you. Just listing all those patterns and all those surfaces for that one drilling is not presenting one problem, but a whole series of problems. So there is no one solution to all those problems.
At this point it might easiest to just sell the ball as long as it's only one drilling to maximize your return..
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Post by: StormTechDept on November 05, 2008, 11:13:53 PM
Give Victor a call at 800-369-4402 he should be able to help you out...
Thanks
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Post by: srlunatic on November 06, 2008, 02:00:44 AM
Something I did to mine that may work for you as I was having the same problem with the ball rolling off my hand...
I placed a weight hole at P4 (MoRich Gradient Line drilling) which is on the MB. I have pretty much the same layout as you and wanted to increase the differential to get the ball down the lane a bit farther and try and reduce the instant roll. I then took it down to 800 Sheen with Valentino's Resurrection and I know have a ball that handles the big oil but doesn't not start to roll right off my hand...Really has made the ball quite amazing for the big oil. It was money on our PBA Experience Shark Pattern...
Hopefully this helps!
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Post by: J_L_B on November 06, 2008, 03:03:16 AM
I seriously doubt you've tried it at all those grits and polishes on all of those patterns you just listed.
Keep trying different things, call Storm's customer service number for help and if that still doesn't work, remember, it's never the ball that sucks, retard.
Post by: dizzyfugu on November 06, 2008, 05:15:02 AM
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Not everyone matches up with the same equipment...
Yes, this happens. Personally, I am battling with my Smash Zone right now and get more and more the impression, that the ball and I do not match up well. I think the RG is simply too low for my lower spee style, and paired with the pretty aggressive/responsive coverstock I have big control and effectiveness issues.
Sad, but it happens
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on November 06, 2008, 07:32:42 AM
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The Cell is probably one of the most versatile balls in my bag and on the market in general.
I seriously doubt you've tried it at all those grits and polishes on all of those patterns you just listed.
Keep trying different things, call Storm's customer service number for help and if that still doesn't work, remember, it's never the ball that sucks, retard.
Why would he come on here and ask for help and then make up surfaces and patterns. No need to be a D@ck about it.
I know a few people who did not match up well with the Cell they typically were high rev one of which was a Pro Shop owner who tried everything under the sun to get the reaction he was looking for and couldn't.
Rocker not everyone will match up with everything.
Post by: J_L_B on November 06, 2008, 11:59:05 AM
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Why would he come on here and ask for help and then make up surfaces and patterns. No need to be a D@ck about it.
I know a few people who did not match up well with the Cell they typically were high rev one of which was a Pro Shop owner who tried everything under the sun to get the reaction he was looking for and couldn't.
Rocker not everyone will match up with everything.
I made the blanket statement (that most people agree with) that it's never the ball that sucks. If he took it personally, that's on him.
Did you see the grits, polishes and patterns he listed? 3 grits, 2 polishes, and 8 patterns. You seriously think he's tried all 5 surfaces on each of the 8 patterns?
He made the subject line "The Cell sucks" to get attention, well now he's got it and has to live with it.
Post by: mmcfarland300 on November 06, 2008, 01:06:34 PM
Did you see the grits, polishes and patterns he listed? 3 grits, 2 polishes, and 8 patterns. You seriously think he's tried all 5 surfaces on each of the 8 patterns?
He made the subject line "The Cell sucks" to get attention, well now he's got it and has to live with it.
[/quote]Is it necessary to try it on all 8 patterns? If he makes multiple adjustments per each pattern isn't that enough. I could see if he tried 1 or 2 surface adjustments but like I said I have seen at least 3 people off the top of my head that the Cell didnt work for all are High Rev High Speed people.
Post by: EboHammer4ever on November 06, 2008, 01:07:50 PM
Now I just recently drilled the Cell Pearl and that has a much more angular backend reaction then the second Cell I drilled and that has everything to do with the cover on it and actually I think it can probably take a little more oil than the original Cell.
But I will agree with the other guys here that sometime this ball does not match up with certain people. For me, I love it. Hope that helps man.
Roto4ever
Post by: ElectricLeftSlider on November 06, 2008, 01:45:31 PM
Post by: backswing_aplenty on November 06, 2008, 02:20:26 PM
He must bowl on some hooking synthetics or wood. I would never recommend this ball to a high rev player who likes to use the Playmaker, Smash Time and Avalanche Pearl.
Trying to use a Cell when an Avalanche pearl is working is going to make the Cell "suck."
No matter how much oil is applied, if the lane surface has friction everything's going to hook. An oil ball like the Cell is not neccessary for you.
Sell it and get a Cell Pearl if you HAVE to have a Cell.
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Post by: themachine300 on November 06, 2008, 09:41:55 PM
Some balls are drilled bad while others don't match up well for that person. The ball in general doesn't suck, but for your style, that drilling, I guess it does.
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Post by: Z Jellsey on November 07, 2008, 10:22:26 PM
Post by: chitown on November 07, 2008, 10:43:49 PM
I didn't have much success with the BWS because it was very hard to control on most patterns I used it on. I tried different surface grits and still didn't like the reaction. Since I bought the ball used I ended up cutting my losses and traded it in. As time past I decided to buy a new BWS and use a different layout than I had on my first one. The new layout worked much better and the ball turned out to be a pretty good piece.
My point is this. Either cut your losses and sell the ball or plug and re-drill with a different layout. The layout you have on that particular ball is probably not a good fit for your game.
Post by: tdub36tjt on November 08, 2008, 12:50:38 AM
Post by: Bluff on November 08, 2008, 02:25:35 PM
I can't make lane #1 to work for me
I have drill 12 of them and All I can say they all sux for me
so maybethis ball is not for you
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Post by: batbowler on November 11, 2008, 10:16:05 AM
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Post by: fishbowler on November 12, 2008, 10:14:56 AM
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Post by: toomanytenpins on November 19, 2008, 07:23:40 AM
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Post by: Jesse James on November 19, 2008, 08:06:57 AM
I think we have similar pap measurements. I just recently threw my teammates Cell and was amazed at it's continuation and carry. It really is a great piece of equipment. Having said that, I already know, that when I purchase my Cell and Cell pearl, I will be drilling both these pieces pin down!
My teammate's ball is drilled simple label leverage.....but pin down. It gives the ball a real nice smooth arc, with outstanding carry. It does not show a big backend, however. You really might want to try another drill. Pin up drills with such a big block core, probably lend themeselves to being very flippy and uncontrollable.
And especially because you are so rev dominant, I think that would be the way to go. Hope this helps.
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Post by: tizzle on November 19, 2008, 01:37:06 PM
Post by: crazyyankee on November 19, 2008, 01:50:47 PM
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