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Jeffrevs

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The Sonic U
« on: July 23, 2003, 06:22:38 PM »
Roger is going to kill me, but....BrianN started it!! This started from this post : http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=30239&ForumID=77&CategoryID=2

Take a pearl urethane cover, ....and plop the Sonic Boom core from the Sonic X in it !!!  It's called:

Sonic U

So far, Brian, Ishmael, and myself would like to see that ball added to the Sonic line....

Roger, call Hank!!

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Re: The Sonic U
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2003, 10:58:08 AM »

But Jeff...think about this...the R&D is long since done on a perfectly good urethane 2-piece in both a solid and a pearl  The old grenade series had a decent weightblock to work with (and it hits just fine, thank you very much) Why re-invent the wheel?

Hmm...just had a thought...since we never worried about pin placements in those days (they really weren't marked in the visible manner we now expect)...
Spotty lane conditions need not be a problem any longer...pull the pin and lob a Grenade at the pindeck...PROBLEM SOLVED!

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Re: The Sonic U
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2003, 11:01:42 AM »
Michelle,...correct, R&D is done...BUT.....don't bring back something old and just re-introduce something, make it worthwhile!....take the Grenade pearl cover and wrap it around the Sonic X core !!!
YEAH BABY !

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michelle

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Re: The Sonic U
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2003, 11:07:47 AM »
/South Park mode on

rabble, rabble, rabble

/South Park mode off

And, yes Roger, we are making waves out here  Done properly, I still think this is something that RG would not be taking a bath on.  

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Re: The Sonic U
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2003, 01:17:02 PM »
I think someone at Lane 1 must have been looking at this thread...just saw there XXL offering over on BBR!!  Pearl Urethane with their diamond weight block.

I still think the Sonic U would be pretty damn nice!  I've got a V2 Dry sometimes wish it had just a little bit more pop.

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Re: The Sonic U
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2003, 01:29:30 PM »
Michelle, Jeff,

Do you honestly think they still have the formula for the Gold Grenade, if they use the same chemical company as they did when it came out????
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Re: The Sonic U
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2003, 07:04:00 AM »
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Michelle, Jeff,

Do you honestly think they still have the formula for the Gold Grenade, if they use the same chemical company as they did when it came out????



NO !  I don't, but don't tell me they couldn't whip up a pearl urethane formula!! mmmuuuuuaaaaahhhhhhhhhHH!!!
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Re: The Sonic U
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2003, 07:57:05 AM »
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Michelle, Jeff,

Do you honestly think they still have the formula for the Gold Grenade, if they use the same chemical company as they did when it came out????



NO !  I don't, but don't tell me they couldn't whip up a pearl urethane formula!! mmmuuuuuaaaaahhhhhhhhhHH!!!
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But based on what Roger has already said it would be easier to get hold of a new Gold Grenade. It would cost too much and they're have to charge too much for what would be a limited edition ball. Basically not enough demand to justify the costs involved.
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Re: The Sonic U
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2003, 07:59:16 AM »
charlest....blah blah blah blah blah!!!

I know that , ..I understand the facts.....and the realities,...just yankin' chains..trying to get something going...I know it won't happen and I know it doesn't make monetary sense....I'm just having fun....

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Re: The Sonic U
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2003, 10:36:49 AM »
HaHaHaHa. It is bad enough that I am the only one in the office today (aside from 3 others) but I come to read this! LOL  Hehe I will have to have Hank check out this forum. No promises, but we will of course look into the possibilities of it.

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Doug Sterner

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Re: The Sonic U
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2003, 10:50:43 AM »
Goof,

Lane 1 has been kicking around the idea of the XXL for about 2-3 months now, In fact when SawMill and I visited them they asked what their line needed and we both said a true dry lane ball. Well we started talking about a pearl urethane and their diamond core.

They decided to go for it and we'll see it shortly!!!
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Re: The Sonic U
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2003, 09:44:08 AM »
Brian,

Your story is not unlike that which I see here. You have read and replied to my stories from the past but you are soooo correct. It's all about money. But I do have a question....these dry centers...do the houses run their own pro shops?? Most likely not or else they would be putting out some oil to "force" people into the new equipment.

I was approached by my center owner last week and told that we needed to sit down and re-evaluate our agreement on me owning and runnning the pro shop in HIS center. In other words he needs more money to continmue his renovations and wants rent money instead of the "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" agreement we have had in the past.

I offered to sell him my entire shop and then he could just make me an employee and I'd operate it for him.  He said no thanks, I don't need the headaches. In other words, he knows he cannot make any sales due to his simple 35 foot top hat pattern with bone dry outsides.

The "I wanna use my Wine U Dot and Yellow Dot from 6th arrow" gets old real quick from a shop owner's standpoint but if 1/2 the league cries like that the owners say...you better bowlers can deal with it...I have to cater to them.I ended up using my XXXL last year for a bit and you can ask SawMill and the Dragon...I don't have a lotta hand.

Just my 2 cents....


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Re: The Sonic U
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2003, 11:26:52 AM »
I will say this, I am going to more than likely end up with a Buzzsaw XXL. I would certainly buy a "Sonic U" if they were to produce one.

On the conditions places put out today with the strong backends to give bowlers a strong angle of entry for maybe more carry, reactive just does not always cut it. I have said a few times, I shot a 270 for a 765 set once with my Storm Golf ball.
There is definately a place for plastic and urethane in today's market place. Now we just have to get the companies to see it. Sure, more than likely only the bowlers that really know the difference in why they would want a urethane ball would buy one. BUT the way to go about it is to produce a limited number to start----like maybe 500 or 1000. See how they sell, if they do not sell so great then atleast they were not over produced. The Sonic X core----they have that already, and a urethane coverstock cannot be too difficult to make. Think about it, the TOP of the like urthanes were selling for about $90 in proshops at that time, so we know they do not cost too much to make.

Roto Grip should step up to the place and produce a ball like this before companies other than Lane 1 do-----and then Roto would just be copying what everyone else is doing.
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