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Equipment Boards => Roto Grip => Topic started by: davidinil on November 24, 2013, 07:35:45 PM
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The Rumble and Uproar are both 2.55 RG and a low differential of .030. The Storm's IQTS and IQTP are 2.49 RG and .029 Diff.
SO are the Rumble and Uproar supposed to be Roto's version of the Storm low diff balls?
I love my IQTS, but wish it would hit just a touch harder on my home house's THS. Would the Rumble's higher RG make just enough difference to achieve that? BTW, I had an IQTP. It rolled earlier than my solid. They were drilled the same.
My center uses ICE oil for a 42' pattern. I am a right handed 370 RPM, 17 MPH bowler. I am medium axis tilt/rotation.
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I would not consider them to be RG's version of the IQ tour editions... also you seem to be focusing on undrilled core numbers when the coverstock is the main reason the core will get to have any influence on the ball motion. Nevermind the fact that you probably don't bowl with undrilled bowling balls...
I would doubt that Utah would put as strong of a cover on a ball that retails for $50 less than an IQ Tour...
How were your IQ TE's drilled? Dual angle layout would be nice but, pin to PAP distance and location/depth of extra holes is useful as well.
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Drilled a Rumble Sat. My stats. in profile. Used it on two conditions both 39' one house shot about 10:1 and a modified White 39' 6:1.
Rumble is all about surface. A true medium benchmark ball for me at OOB 2000. One observation is that most equipment for me with surface on higher friction lanes tends to puke and burn up NOT the Rumble it's higher Rg and low total diff plus my layout got it down lane and ball motion is a longish heavy roll no flip. Quite the control piece without the control layout.
Uproar will be an interesting pearl piece with same core. I see the Uproar as a light-medium ball for me under the Rumble.
RG seems to have hit on some winners the past few years. Lots of Disturbed, Deranged, Wreckers, Defiant line in my area.
73*(PAP-pin-PSA)x4.50"x38* with ability to put in Motion hole
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my rumble is oob 2000 abralon, i drilled it stacked over ring no balance hole. I have used it on a heavy oil 42 ft house pattern. on this particular shot it shines. For a dull ball this ball flips. It ignores the heads but once it sees friction it goes right for me. I als bowl in a light volume house shot league that have very sharp backends. Cant use this ball there this ball is way to strong. This ball in oob conditions is alot stronger than one would think. i am looking forward to the uproar.
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I would not consider them to be RG's version of the IQ tour editions... also you seem to be focusing on undrilled core numbers when the coverstock is the main reason the core will get to have any influence on the ball motion. Nevermind the fact that you probably don't bowl with undrilled bowling balls...
I would doubt that Utah would put as strong of a cover on a ball that retails for $50 less than an IQ Tour...
How were your IQ TE's drilled? Dual angle layout would be nice but, pin to PAP distance and location/depth of extra holes is useful as well.
I agree w/ you about the $50 thing. SO are you saying that you believe the Rumble has a lot less aggressive surface than the IQT Solid?
I don't understand what you mean by undrilled balls. I don't have a way to measure the RG's and Diffs of my drilled stuff. All I have to go on is what the ball spec sheet says, and how other balls with similar specs have performed for me in the past. Is there a way to measure the RG and Diff of a drilled ball?
MY IQT's are drilled just like Scotts pic, except for the pins are directly right of the ring finger as opposed to Scotts being right over it. I would get you the dual angles but I don't have the balls with me. I remember the pin to pap distance being 3 3/4" though.
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Drilled a Rumble Sat. My stats. in profile. Used it on two conditions both 39' one house shot about 10:1 and a modified White 39' 6:1.
Rumble is all about surface. A true medium benchmark ball for me at OOB 2000. One observation is that most equipment for me with surface on higher friction lanes tends to puke and burn up NOT the Rumble it's higher Rg and low total diff plus my layout got it down lane and ball motion is a longish heavy roll no flip. Quite the control piece without the control layout.
Uproar will be an interesting pearl piece with same core. I see the Uproar as a light-medium ball for me under the Rumble.
RG seems to have hit on some winners the past few years. Lots of Disturbed, Deranged, Wreckers, Defiant line in my area.
73*(PAP-pin-PSA)x4.50"x38* with ability to put in Motion hole
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It looks like you layed this out for a Motion Hole.
I guess I got off topic a little. How is Roto Grip envisioning customers using these balls? Wouldn't the Rumble react a lot like the Disturbed?
Or are they just giving the consumer a similar hook shape for less money than the Disturbed?
It seems like Roto had a specific purpose in mind when they designed these balls. They are medium high RG with lower Diff. What condition were they aiming these balls to be used on?
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davidinil,
Storm doesn't have a 2.55 .030 15 lb. and nothing in the Hot line or Tropical line that is solid especially with a 2000 OOB surface. Rumble covers a nice medium control slower response to friction ball that many manufacturers don't have. RG always seems to have this kind of ball in their line-up. ie. Outlaw, Riot, Shooting Star, Saturn not all had the same specs but all had the control slower response to friction ball motion.
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It looks like you layed this out for a Motion Hole.
Yes if I wanted to go that route...so far I like what I see without the Motion hole. We'll see.
I guess I got off topic a little. How is Roto Grip envisioning customers using these balls? Wouldn't the Rumble react a lot like the Disturbed?
Or are they just giving the consumer a similar hook shape for less money than the Disturbed?
Not sure but I would envision much the same ball motion as a Disturbed. There are vids out here that compare them. For me cost doesn't mean better scores. :)
It seems like Roto had a specific purpose in mind when they designed these balls. They are medium high RG with lower Diff. What condition were they aiming these balls to be used on?
Medium to light-medium for me as a bowler that has the ability to play different trajectories.
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Scott: I see. This gives Roto 2 balls in the lineup that are more control-ish to handle the over / under condition? Now that you put it like that it makes a lot of sense. These balls should be usable on a wider array of conditions than the Storm Breeze's would be. The Breeze seems to be squirrely to a lot of people.
So Rumble/Uproar would be good choices for when you are shooting on a THS that's giving you a lot of over/under?
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Scott: I see. This gives Roto 2 balls in the lineup that are more control-ish to handle the over / under condition? Now that you put it like that it makes a lot of sense. These balls should be usable on a wider array of conditions than the Storm Breeze's would be. The Breeze seems to be squirrely to a lot of people.
So Rumble/Uproar would be good choices for when you are shooting on a THS that's giving you a lot of over/under?
Rumble in OOB definitely needs to be played by the majority of us inside out on house shots.....unless speed dominant lower revs. You can see my layout is not control but surface leads to more control.
Uproar being a more skid flippy pearl not sure I would say that it will control side to side friction. Pearl would allow from front to back early friction. Heard today that RG will be dropping Shatter so Uproar fills that slot though Uproar is less total diff.
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Yeah, nobody around me ever throws the Shatter. IDK why. But I see Disturbed and Deranges and lots of Wreckers. I know 2 guys who own Shatters, but they never found a condition that it would work well on.
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I'm throwing a Disturbed at 3000 on its great on my ths. I was thinking about grabbing a rumble and possibly polishing it.
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I whack my local ths on wood lanes....im hoping to do the same on synthetics with the rumble....
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What RG is trying to do with their line up is create a similar reaction with stronger or weaker covers, making it easier to transition from ball to ball in their line up. RG is to Storm as Brunswick is to DV8 (Big Cores to Smaller Cores). RG gives the length of Storm without the huge amounts of flip. From what I've seen and thrown, The Low End line has a core similarly shaped to the Spit Fire from Storm. They, pretty much are the same balls as the Star series of balls and roll really well on a wide variety of patterns. The Rumble is going to be a great THS Benchmark for most and that Core is great for the Motion Hole as I have a Shatter with the MoTion Hole. I have loved the Shatter and Wrecker and will have a Rumble by the end of the month with a Motion Hole to compliment the Shatter with Motion Hole. These have been some of the most driller friendly balls ever.
The Disturbed is an Incredible ball for oil (which I have owned and loved). The ball picks up early and rolls heavy, and strikes.... A LOT!!!!! The Deranged is the Pearl Version and rolls equally as good. They are have slightly higher core numbers because the covers are so strong.
Overall, I think the Rumble is going to be another great solid that will be forgotten like the Riot, Horizon Solid, and the Outlaw which strike a lot and because they don't flip. My suggestion, get one or two while you can. For the price and drill versality, you can lose.
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The Disturbed is an Incredible ball for oil (which I have owned and loved). The ball picks up early and rolls heavy, and strikes.... A LOT!!!!! The Deranged is the Pearl Version and rolls equally as good. They are have slightly higher core numbers because the covers are so strong.
Overall, I think the Rumble is going to be another great solid that will be forgotten like the Riot, Horizon Solid, and the Outlaw which strike a lot and because they don't flip. My suggestion, get one or two while you can. For the price and drill versality, you can lose.
I agree and I certainly hope it won't be forgotten. I love my Outlaw, and my Riot! My Horizon Solid was my benchmark ball for at least three years before it cracked, so if the Rumble is any where close to being as good as that, I'd better pick up a couple of these for sure!
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You are hitting right at what I was asking about. When RG looks at its lineup and deciding to create new balls, they must have an idea in their minds as to where a new piece would fit and for what conditions those pieces would fit for. Scotts33 hit it too, that RG seems to always have a couple of slow response type balls in the lineup.
I have an Outlaw that works well for sport conditions. I had a BAndit that didn't work for anything I ever bowled on.
My personal delimma is I like my IQTS for my home THS, but sometimes it's tame nature hinders it. I often think, boy if that ball had just a little more back-end to it....I would be unstoppable at my home house. I was wondering if the RUmble's would accomplish that. Or would the Disturbed or Deranged be the more logical choice?
I had a IQTP and it forced my feet too far left for it to work at my house.
I have a Gamebreaker and Versa Max. Each of these balls works great for the 1st game or 2 games and then they all start bleeding too much energy and I flat 10 with them. I have a Nomad Dagger with a motion hole and a Reign drilled pin very high with a small val angle. THose balls are often too unpredictable and apparently too much ball at this house.
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My personal delimma is I like my IQTS for my home THS, but sometimes it's tame nature hinders it. I often think, boy if that ball had just a little more back-end to it....I would be unstoppable at my home house. I was wondering if the RUmble's would accomplish that. Or would the Disturbed or Deranged be the more logical choice?
I had a IQTP and it forced my feet too far left for it to work at my house.
I have a Gamebreaker and Versa Max. Each of these balls works great for the 1st game or 2 games and then they all start bleeding too much energy and I flat 10 with them. I have a Nomad Dagger with a motion hole and a Reign drilled pin very high with a small val angle. THose balls are often too unpredictable and apparently too much ball at this house.
The Disturbed is a lot of ball and if your Gamebreaker and Versa Max are too much then a the Disturbed would be way too much. I would suggest either a Wrecker or Rumble, balls with lower diffs that are not a strong covered as the !QTS. Although, I am little weirded out by the fact that your Pearl forced you too far left. It's supposed to pic up where the solid left off. Did you drill it the same as your Solid?
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That's exactly why I got the pearl. It was supposed to pick up right where the SOlid left off. So I drilled them exactly the same. The pearl seemed to pick up earlier than the solid and made me move more into the oil, but the backend wasn't enough to come back and kick the 10 out. Plus at my house, moving deeper puts you more at risk of over/under reaction.
I didn't like the IQTP and got lucky in that it cracked under warranty. I ended up getting a Defiant Soul because I don't have any asym's in my bag. The soul is too much ball for my house tho.
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That makes sense. I think you are dealing with a dry THS which for the Solid makes it burn up and for the Pearl make it flip off the planet. This forces you to move deeper and the Pearl is not enough ball. I think you a high diff pearl asym or strong pearl sym that will stand up off the dry from deeper in will surfice. The Rumble will be a good compliment to the Solid if you want to stay in the same area.
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You are thinking that w/ the RUmble's higher RG and perhaps less aggressive cover than the IQTS's R2S, that I'd be able to just swap out the IQT for the Rumble and stay right in same place?
The other option could be a HYroad Pearl. Typically Asym balls do not work well for me. Even the pearl ones want to hook too early.
Another option I had considered would be a #14 IQTS. The #14 core is 2.54 RG and .034 Diff. VS 2.49 and .029 for the #15. I've been wondering if the core # differences would make the #14 react JUST differently enough to do the trick. Plus with a #14 I could more easily amp up the speed. Your thoughts?
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You are thinking that w/ the RUmble's higher RG and perhaps less aggressive cover than the IQTS's R2S, that I'd be able to just swap out the IQT for the Rumble and stay right in same place?
The other option could be a HYroad Pearl. Typically Asym balls do not work well for me. Even the pearl ones want to hook too early.
Another option I had considered would be a #14 IQTS. The #14 core is 2.54 RG and .034 Diff. VS 2.49 and .029 for the #15. I've been wondering if the core # differences would make the #14 react JUST differently enough to do the trick. Plus with a #14 I could more easily amp up the speed. Your thoughts?
Yes. You should be able to pick up where you left of with the Rumble after the solid doesn't tilt up. The HYroad Pearl is a beast. I'm not going to deter you from that. However with a Asyms, drilling is a key (Not the main one) and dual angle numbers become law. If you get your Dual Angle numbers based on your stats, I think you'll have better luck with Asyms. Normally, with Asyms, weaker layouts tend to yield better reaction when bowling on a dry THS. Especially with your numbers.
Let me also be clear that I have not seen you bowl. Numbers are one thing but without seeing you, we are just guessitmating. I suggest you have a real talk with your driller about which would be better for you and work with you on getting your base stats.
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For comparison sake. I hated my Venom Strike Atomix Solid low diff. 2.52 .029 @2000 I use 14's. that ball with any surface would puke on any frictious condition. Finally found a final surface with polish where it was useable. How the Atomix Solid compares in strength to the Rumble 55M cover I have no idea.
The 14 lb Rumble 2.60 .030 @ OOB 2000 is another animal entirely good length and no burn up. Heavy roll slow response to friction heavy arc to pocket. Still if there is not enough oil and with house shots as long as you can move into the defined puddle in the middle I'd see no issues for the majority. Issues will be if one can not move their feet or if the lanes transition and don't keep a defined move off the midlane roll. Misses out for many will result in ringing 10's. I've used mine now two test sessions and a morning old guys league this morning two different houses with three different patterns. Basically played same trajectory all three times.
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James, thanks for your input. I would never hold you responsible for a recommendation that didn't work. Even if you saw me bowl in person. I expect pro shop guys to give me educated recommendations. Buying a new rock is always a guessing game to some extent. You can come close, but you really don't know what it's gonna do until you punch it and throw it.
Scotts33, interesting that you use $14. The RG @ 2.6 is very high. My #14 Reign supreme is 2.61, and I do not like that ball. I have a #15 REign (2.55 RG) and really like that one.
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Scotts33, interesting that you use $14. The RG @ 2.6 is very high. My #14 Reign supreme is 2.61, and I do not like that ball. I have a #15 REign (2.55 RG) and really like that one.
David,
You have to factor in the OOB 2000 surface which even on a high Rg ball like the 14 lb Rumble will read earlier. In fact, I need the high Rg on a more surface ball to get it down lane or on any lane condition that isn't above medium-heavy they will puke and not roll thru the deck. Again my stats. are in profile. The .030 total diff is needed for me as lower total diff. won't roll thru the deck. I suspect others see the same issue.
James is correct your driller should be able to help much more than a net forum. We're guessing and it's why I always temper my remarks it works for me and stats.. in profile and YMMV.
I will say that I have a very good idea what may work for me and when trying to fill a hole I ted to explain to my driller who is top notch what I am seeking...between the two of us 75% of the time it works BUT there have been duds along the way also.
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The Rumble is a great ball as long as its used on its intended lane condition which is medium at the most. Low diff plus the weaker cover gives you the ability to use a ton of surface without seeing early burn.
Lets be clear hear though, the Iq series from Storm are Upper Mid range balls, Rumble falls in the HP2 line for Roto and there's a big difference there. Again like others have said we can't and haven't seen you bowl, but for the majority of bowlers out there your probably gonna see less overall hook from the Rumble unless your bowling on lanes with a ton of friction or your extremely rev dominate.
Also a great thing about the Rumble is I have had a lot of success with my customers by drilling it stronger than normal without fear of early burn ie- stronger pin to paps with lowers sums for dual angle layouts based off the players stats. Wish you luck!