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Equipment Boards => Roto Grip => Topic started by: billdozer on January 16, 2013, 08:37:46 PM
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Ordered one today...
Logically should be a step down from the crossroad right?
Who has one...and how do u like it?
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Thinking about getting one (or two). I can't decide if I want pin up or down. May try to get a Rising Star if I can still find one and get a better price. Looking forward to hearing more feedback about the Wrecker.
How do you plan on drilling yours Billdozer?
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I have a Rising Star. Is highly reactive on anything Sparky, but on a 40 foot shot starting 2nd game it is unstoppable.
Lots of push, lots of revup, lots of recovery, awesome hit! When it is too much you will know it.
Pin under ring stacked!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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I read somewhere that the coverstock on the Wrecker is supposed to be a little weaker than on the Rising Star. Don't remember where I saw that though. Otherwise, they are the same ball.
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I read the wrecker cover stock should be 5-7 feet longer than the rising star. I personally didn't like the Rising Star. Loved my DarkStars!!
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The only layouts on symmetricals that i have success with are cg in the palm...with pin up outside the ring. Everything else is too flippy at the breakpoint (yeah literally) or checks up too soon...cause my biggest issue is my ball speed. Im actually getting it to go below my crossroad...so ill probably punch it up exactly the same.
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Mine is quite long with 2000 and polish! AND it's stacked drilling(me side roller like 60 degree).
I struggle to get over 15 mph and when I do on our 35 foot shot with suppossed buff to 40(acts about 38) this ball pushes real fine. Lots of revs up with this push also. Smash!
I love this core so much I've got a Shatter sitting on the shelf next to maybe replace my big Sonic Boom(I move left from the Rising Star however)!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Mine arrived in the mail today...can't wait to punch it up!
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It WILL be exciting!
Enjoy...
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Im so bad, now i wanna swipe up a modern marvel before theyre gone...and maybe an iq tour
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Bill,
I don't know if you have other Hybrids. They are very strong off the breakpoint some of them.
I have an AMF Shred IT. It is humumgous with it's low rg and high diff core and Hybrid coverstock. When it is good it is very very good but when it is too much it is horrid!
My Rising Star is so much more controllable on our lighter league. It is still my biggest reacting ball off the spot, that I use. The Shred it,(similar specs to the Modern Marvel) much bigger!
Now maybe if I had a 40 foot shot...it would be different.
Current is 35 feet with buff to 40. Rising star is too big at first!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Had a shred it...it was over under like crazy..
Im hybrid nutcase...still use the rogue cell and hyroad...my VE cracked...and the cross road is always my go to. honestly i had a tougher time finding oil for my CT (now polished, and its killer) and the lucid i got!
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Billdozer, have you gotten to throw yours yet?
I stopped by the shop last night and they had one, but it was a short pin-out. I want to drill it pin up so have to wait until they get one in next week. Thinking about hitting the box surface with 4000 when I get it.
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Really nice on medium house shots.
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Mine is 50* 4 3/8' 30* Actually needs a bit more friction than my hyroad and crossroad(the ball I actually replaced the wrecker with). But once the track area was eaten up, money.
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Mogators- i had to wait a week to punch it up...my proshop doesnt carry the grips i use, and forgot to order some...OH and i love storm oob surface! Especially when its a hybrid ball, its like i can strike at will.
Xevil, i bought it.for exactly what you are saying it is good for! A step down from the crossroad (which is the weakest ball i throw)...it should be a vital piece that i need! Plus 2/3 go from being oily enough for my sync for thr first two games...then i ball down to the crossroad which most of the time is too strong! So im going to see what the wrecker can do..
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I've thrown in on a house shot and the 2012 USBC Masters pattern. Adjusted the cover to 1000 with a light coat of polish. I was quite surpised (on the sport shot) to be able to play up the boards like I was and still had the core flip over hard enough to roll pretty hard into the pocket. As I carved holes in the lane with a 500 grit power machine, I went back to the Wrecker and had a few angles to play with.
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Punched mine up last nite, threw one or two shots...i was throwing a crossroad...the ball makes a huge move off the pattern...hopefully it tames down a bit! Ill post a pic or something
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I threw mine after work yesterday but the lanes were much slicker than normal and had quite a bit of carry down. My pin down balls were either sliding inside or if I got them out early would hook and then set. After warming up with those threw the Wrecker and it got down the lane and made a nice strong move to the pocket that was not jumpy. Probably due to the carry down. Gave me a very nice look, but this is not the shot I normally see. Will find out Thursday how it handles the fresh at my normal house.
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Dudes, this ball absolutely rocks...the only way it could literally be any better...is if had the hyroad core with this weaker hybrid cover...
Its everything i needed to control what i am doing on the lanes on this "hooking patern" on wood lanes.
My defiant edge was burning up in practice...and for the first time in a long time..i was like dang, ok, i got something for this...i pulled out the wrecker, squared up, stroked the heck out of the ball, and absolutely loved every frame. Won some brackets and survivor too! Haha
Dislikes: as expected it does have a lil bit of trouble covering a lot of boards...and rolls best when sqaured up towards the pocket
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I had no trouble wheeling mine, but it does have a fairly aggressive layout and I modified the surface. Down and in on the fresh, and I could open it up quite early. IMO much more bang for the buck than advertised, much like the Fringe.
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Bill,
I go to your original statement. Lots of reaction off the end of the pattern. It continues on my Rising Star.
Keeps happening. I have my pin down stacked under ring!
For me to get results I need to be free, inside and FAST! Until I get deeper than 30 it is a carry party with 10 in the pit! As long as I do my part. Fast free and Trust it! Humungous on medium and light!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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How does the Wrecker roll compared to the Fringe? I've found my Fringe to be a lot more ball than I anticipated. I can use it on any kind of medium, but I have to get in since it is so strong on the back. I wanted to be able to square up more with it, but it just creates too much angle, and that's if I can even get it to push far enough. I love it, just not what I expected. I've been looking at the Wrecker for something that I can move right with on the fresh and not have to fire it to get it down the lane. Basically what I wanted out of the Fringe. Was thinking of going pin down but a long pin to pap, say 6", to get the length but tame down the angularity when trying to play straighter. I could also scuff it to make it smoother, but then it may start up too soon. Ugh, sometimes I really hate being a true tweener.
Don
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IMO, with same layout and surface you're gonna find the wrecker be a touch stronger in the midlane due to the hybrid cover. My fringe is drilled 70* 4 1/2" 70* at 2000 polished while my Wrecker is 50* 4 3/8' 30. The Wrecker is explosive on the backend while my Fringe is much smoother and more archy overall. but if I really want to get in and rev it up, I can.
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Thanks for the reply, even though it wasn't what I was hoping to hear. My Fringe is 55 x 4 3/4 x 35. Pin above the ring and no x-hole. I also put some Snake Oil and Ebonite Extender polish over the box cover. I tried to tame the cover obviously, but the thing is still a boomerang. It doesn't sound like the Wrecker will fit the bill for what I'm looking for. Thanks again for the reply, it was very helpful.
Don
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Thanks for the reply, even though it wasn't what I was hoping to hear. My Fringe is 55 x 4 3/4 x 35. Pin above the ring and no x-hole. I also put some Snake Oil and Ebonite Extender polish over the box cover. I tried to tame the cover obviously, but the thing is still a boomerang. It doesn't sound like the Wrecker will fit the bill for what I'm looking for. Thanks again for the reply, it was very helpful.
Don
Perhaps increase your angles? or even adding surface to smooth it out?
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You're dead on with increasing the angles. If I give the Wrecker a go, I think I would do a long, low pin. Getting length is the biggest of the issues in my game, especially when trying to go straighter. I think a pin around 6" and down would give me the push needed, and I could add a bit of surface to smooth it out without sacrificing the length. It would be a layout that I don't have in my arsenal, so I think it would be fun to try something completely out of the norm for me.
Just as a reference, when I want to go straighter at this particular house, I've had the most success with a pin up Mercury that is highly polished. Ideal length, but it can be snappy. I may hit it with a 2000 pad very lightly to smooth it out. I've also done ok playing that line with a Rapid Fire and 508A, both highly polished. I had a 300 with each last season. However, in both cases I had to really pipe it, which is something I can no longer do due to back issues. Going more up the boards has always scored better for everyone at this house, which is why I'm trying to find a consistent way to do it myself. It's hard though since I lost so much ball speed since my back got hurt, but didn't lose the revs. I'm now highly rev dominant. I have even strongly considered dropping to 14# to gain my ball speed back. I just don't want to spend all that money for something that may not work. I do have a 14# Wildcat that I stole from my sister. I may plug it and see how it feels. I wish I had something with a bit newer technology, but oh well. I've got a ton of stuff listed to trade in the hopes of getting a newer 14, but no offers so far.
I'm sorry for the rambling and hijacking of this thread. My pain meds are obviously working quite well tonight LOL! I'll check out now.
Don
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LOL. No worries, I guess I hijacked too. When you're playing more up the boards, how much rotation are you using?
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If I had to guess, I'd say 20-25 degrees. It's enough to get the ball to tip. I'm not very consistent on doing it though. I have a tendency to break my wrist back which brings my rotation down to almost nothing. I'm a bit better at suit casing it, which brings my rotation to the other end of the spectrum. It helps the ball push, but then it wants to go sideways at the end of the pattern. But as I said, I'm much more consistent and can actually repeat shots that way.
I've got league tonight, so I think I'm going to tinker with the Mercury's surface, and also bring along my silver streak pearl that I know goes forever. If I can get past the first game, I'm usually golden. My back loosens up and the lanes open up quickly, which allows me to get in and wheel it, which would be my A game if I had one.
Don
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For Raven,
A few observations and thoughts. I'm surprised your axis rotation is so small and you talk about going inside in wheeling it.? Maybe higher?
Going straighter? I'm in a house like that. My axis rotation is in the 55 to 60 degree range and speed is usually a problem but it is getting there. My strongest cores right now are the Rising Star and the Tropical Heat Indigo Solid.
Mostly I use a Sonic X Solid and the Rising Star(Wrecker previous cousin) and a Sonic Boom! Diffs of .020 Sonic X solid, .029 Sonic Boom, and Tropical Heat .038 and Rising Star .040.
In today's arsenal depending on how much spark you want off the break(pearl always more), I'm surprised the Shout(.025) isn't on your list for early! Maybe Scream. If you are really 25 degrees axis rotation then they are possibly not enough.
Today's Shatter they say is a new enhanced Sonic Boom(I love that ball some days espesially a little later in set. Old fashioned 7 inches from grip center weighthole. I assume my Sonic Boom in some ways close to today's Shatter without a 7 inches out weighthole. I love that SureGrip II coverstock stuff also!
In the Storm arena the Tropical Heats: Solid, pearl, and hybrid are all .038. I saw Tom Baker and Ameletto using them on the Senior tour this year with deadly effect!
Similar to Wrecker in core strength.
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS Fringe, Frantic and Manic way more core and in my house the Frantic(correction) which wants straight up is a dog except for the very well matched up high speed player or speed dominant player. The Fringe gets by for the high speed player at this house but is not as good as the weaker cores above for MOST.
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Lucky-
When I mentioned 20-25 degrees, that's only when I'm trying to play straighter. My normal rotation is probably closer to 60 degrees, which is more than enough to get inside with.
I'm glad you mentioned the Scream and Shout. I briefly looked at each one, but quickly forgot about them for some reason. After looking at it again, I think either one would be better than the Wrecker for what I'm looking for. I really wish I had kept more of the Planet balls around. I still have the Mercury, but the Pluto was great, and the Mars would be perfect for what I need now. I bought my father a Shatter last year and even though our games are night and day, I think that it would be a little bit stronger than what I'm looking for. You really have me leaning towards the Scream or Shout now. I just have to be careful because Utah balls are almost always stronger than advertised, especially their entry level equipment. My Fringe is the perfect example of that. It's about twice as strong as I anticipated on the back end.
Don
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BIG difference in core strength. Shout and Scream .025 Fringe .045.
I drill the low diffs above strongish as I like a small swing often. Like 4 1/4 pin to pap the weak stuff above! I am playing 10 at the arrows to 5 on at the break point ( the house sort of crown) with my Sonic X which is getting duller. Finished agame with 8 in a row last week with it in league. It hits hard from that wider dryer spot. Straight up 10 it does not hit unless I am FAST real fast for me! Shout a touch stronger.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS take a look at videos on youtube, you'll see the big difference between a fringe and a shout. Or a shatter and a scream. I think Britton maybe shows a Dark Star(less than a Shatter with the older weaker Photon core(great core)) versus the Shout. On his Video ball reviews posts on his site and youtube. Hope this helps.
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I just bought one today. I threw my friends shout and I loved it! I like the overall strength but it was a little weak on a fresh medium oil condition. So I bought a wrecker which also is drilled pin down, cg kicked out a little,and a p4 weight hole. Should be a perfect one two punch with my weaker drilled frantic.
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My pin above bridge (5.5" pin to pap) wrecker, was a bit too over/under for me on the fresh. I took the polish off with 2000 and then 4000 abralon and threw it again today. The shot was a little drier than league, but was pretty similar. The ball worked great and the continuation threw the pins is amazing. I definitely would like to drill up another with a pin down layout that would probably get more use at this house, but this pin up ball was a reaction I was needing to replace in my bag.
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Bill or anyone else, do you know how the Wrecker compares to a Frantic? The Frantic has a little higher diff and seems to be a backend monster for people I know who have it, but I'm hearing more control characteristics out of the Wrecker.
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I dont have the frantic, but i have the crossroad, hyroad, and wrecker...
What im finding works well is the second the lanes seems to be transitioning from what the crossroad works best on (for me its always games 2 or 3 of league on a ths) i switch to the wrecker...and it works well! I also am using it on what i would consider an oops night with the lane machine...this ball just floats through the heads and literally doesnt do anything until the end of the pattern.
Oh yeah mine has backend but its what u expect from a hybrid...this ball should be a step down from the frantic just like the frantic is to the crossroad. If anything a frantic is the hybrid of the crossroad and wrecker!
Crossroad = strong cover/strong core (not saying high end but it used to be!)
Frantic = strong cover (same cover)/weaker core
Wrecker = weaker cover/weaker core
I can line up and play up the boards and now that i can trust it, i can wheel it too! Haha
Great ball for the price..gets alot of looks..and ppl tel me im bullsh!tting them when its a low end ball! One dude thought it was the replacement for the defiant...cuz it was super clean and it was like a strike fest. Im sure im going to see this ball all over my county. I wanna pick up a shatter now! Aaaaaah!
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Thanks for the great response Bill!
I dont have the frantic, but i have the crossroad, hyroad, and wrecker...
What im finding works well is the second the lanes seems to be transitioning from what the crossroad works best on (for me its always games 2 or 3 of league on a ths) i switch to the wrecker...and it works well! I also am using it on what i would consider an oops night with the lane machine...this ball just floats through the heads and literally doesnt do anything until the end of the pattern.
Oh yeah mine has backend but its what u expect from a hybrid...this ball should be a step down from the frantic just like the frantic is to the crossroad. If anything a frantic is the hybrid of the crossroad and wrecker!
Crossroad = strong cover/strong core (not saying high end but it used to be!)
Frantic = strong cover (same cover)/weaker core
Wrecker = weaker cover/weaker core
I can line up and play up the boards and now that i can trust it, i can wheel it too! Haha
Great ball for the price..gets alot of looks..and ppl tel me im bullsh!tting them when its a low end ball! One dude thought it was the replacement for the defiant...cuz it was super clean and it was like a strike fest. Im sure im going to see this ball all over my county. I wanna pick up a shatter now! Aaaaaah!
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You would think with all of the magical stuff that the low end hybrids do, we would get them in high end version...psssh im dreaming..
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You would think with all of the magical stuff that the low end hybrids do, we would get them in high end version...psssh im dreaming..
No thanks. I prefer to get a great ball at very reasonable prices. I stay away from high-end stuff and stick to the lower end. I think a solid in the HP2 or HP3 line is all I would need for slicker conditions. From what I've heard about the Disturbed, it is a hook monster already. I'll probably stick to the HP2 line though. That core just seems to work for me. Maybe it's because there is never really enough oil on the house shots I bowl on to warrant the HP4 lines.
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I did extremely well with the infinite theory and the virtual energy...ima hybrid fool!
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You would think with all of the magical stuff that the low end hybrids do, we would get them in high end version...psssh im dreaming..
Defiant Soul is pretty damn good.
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I looked at the Wrecker and bought a Shatter for $79 free shipping cause I loved the Dark Star and the specs are very close to it! The Rising Star being a hybrid was stronger than the Dark Star, but I could use the Dark Star for all three games! I like a pin down for the smoothness and control more than the stronger move at the breakpoint that a pin up gives me! I guess the big difference is one being a pearl reactive and one being a hybrid, both with the neutron core!
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On a side note: I was also looking at the Scream and Shout and have seen several people use then and love the reaction!! I'm leaning more for the Shout cause of the solid coverstock and the lower diff. I'm looking for when the lanes blow out!!
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For those that have a Wrecker and a Rising Star --what are the differences. From what I have read the Wrecker will go longer than the R/S. I like the way the R/S has a nice smooth roll that picks up in the midlane, but has a nice strong arch twords and through the pindeck. The Wrecker I believe has more flip at the back end? let me know, thanks.
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All i have heard is the wrecker goes 5-7 longer than the RS..so less midlane?
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I haven't thrown the Wrecker, but the Rising Star is definitely going to be earlier in the mids whereas the Wrecker is cleaner and will go longer before making the turn.
When I had the Rising Star, I was really surprised on the fact that I could actually use that ball on many medium patterns instead of the medium-light since the cover ended up being stronger than advertised. On medium-light, I noticed that the Rising Star would jump quickly when it hit friction, so that was a case of move left and wheel it. That was a good cover/core combo to say the least.
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I disagree. the Wrecker has higher flare potential not to mention a stronger hybrid cover than the rising star. Having both, the wrecker is stronger midlane and has a more defined move off the friction than the rising star.
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Ok so im in love with with this rock, it literally could be my favorite go to besides the hyroad/crossroad...
I know its an 80 dollar holler, but its my sidepot finisher...its paid for itself 5-6 times in 3 outings...~7games on the ball and im averaging 245(nothing spectacular, but it filled a huge hole in my bag!) ...and everyone is asking wtf ball im throwing haha..if you are looking for a truely weaker hybrid ball this it folks..
GREAT PIECE! Excellent ball down from r2s!!!
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Do should I drill my hy-road like my wrecker? I want a benchmark roll from the hy-road and my wrecker is drilled to have a high flare and backend continuation. And what should I do with my critical theory?
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I think having the two drilled very similar is a great idea. It was exaclty what I did. The wrecker gets down the lane quite a bit further with more backend..and crissroad ended up being very true and benchmark-y reaction...they compliment each other very well, youll love it
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Anyone have a comparison between the Wrecker and IQ Tour Pearl?
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Anyone have a comparison between the Wrecker and IQ Tour Pearl?
I asked a guy about this that has the Rising Star and IQ tour Pearl yesterday. I'm assuming the RS and Wrecker should be pretty close. He said the RS has more length and is a bit sharper off the corner. I forgot to ask him if they were drilled the same though.