Post by: M1313 on January 26, 2010, 04:57:15 AM
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/product/7310/Roto_Grip_Dark_Star_Bowling_Ball_-_WWRD_22410.htm
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/product/7309/Roto_Grip_Riot_Bowling_Ball_-_WWRD_22410.htm
Post by: themagician on January 26, 2010, 01:50:50 PM
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Post by: Locke on January 26, 2010, 03:03:26 PM
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Post by: rvmark on January 26, 2010, 03:12:21 PM
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Post by: Locke on January 26, 2010, 03:16:30 PM
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Definitely like the looks of the Riot, looks like with that cover, core combo that it would be a great step down from my Grand Illusion. Locke at the price point that Buddies has these listed at I would say these would be more of a replacement for the planet line instead of the shield line.
Mark
Shield is the name of the planet line.
But either way I am really eying that Dark Star as a ball under my Cell Pearl.
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Post by: rvmark on January 26, 2010, 05:04:57 PM
I am definitely thinking the Riot will wind up finding a way into my bag.
Mark
Post by: greenefam on January 27, 2010, 08:57:59 AM
I wouldn't bother looking it up on Storm's website - they have a bunch of the classic balls messed up and the Jolts are completely wrong. The ballreview description is actually closer -
http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=11&BallID=751
Post by: icewall on January 27, 2010, 09:09:39 AM
and now are bringing the illusions back to go under the nomads.
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Post by: Locke on January 27, 2010, 02:14:12 PM
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Post by: batbowler on January 28, 2010, 10:11:03 AM
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Post by: Bigmike on January 28, 2010, 10:48:17 AM
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Post by: greenefam on January 28, 2010, 11:29:46 AM
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The numbers come in very close to the Furious and Fast on the Storm side. I would think that RG will probably put this at the price point they had the Planet balls at which a shop owner could get in the $125-140 range. If that is the case then RG will have a strong contender in the value price point to go head-to-head with the Freeze.
I agree that the price point will probably be similar to Storm's Hot lineup of balls, but that will not put it in the price range to compete with the Freeze. Freeze is in the Tropical/Razyr price point which still makes it the best ball for the money in that range. Storm/Roto needs to address this space as they are loosing the advantage they once had with the Tropicals.
Post by: Locke on January 28, 2010, 02:51:12 PM
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The numbers come in very close to the Furious and Fast on the Storm side. I would think that RG will probably put this at the price point they had the Planet balls at which a shop owner could get in the $125-140 range. If that is the case then RG will have a strong contender in the value price point to go head-to-head with the Freeze.
I agree that the price point will probably be similar to Storm's Hot lineup of balls, but that will not put it in the price range to compete with the Freeze. Freeze is in the Tropical/Razyr price point which still makes it the best ball for the money in that range. Storm/Roto needs to address this space as they are loosing the advantage they once had with the Tropicals.
They are listed at 89.95 so they are in that same range.
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Post by: greenefam on January 29, 2010, 08:55:26 AM
I will check with my distributor and report back to this thread with the approximate pro shop price range.
Edited on 1/29/2010 10:00 AM
Post by: Heavy Lefty on January 29, 2010, 12:14:18 PM
There wasn't enough oil to really judge them. One of the guys who threw it the Riot - said it reminded him of the Saturn.
Post by: scotts33 on February 02, 2010, 08:41:24 AM
How does the Dark Star's/Riot's Ultimate Vision cover strength compare to the Nomad's Ultra Vision and the Pluto's/Saturn's Sure Grip II?
Also it seems the new balls have a version of the Jolt core not sure about densities????
Are these new balls a step down from the Nomads and a step up from the old Planet line? It would seem so but cover strength may dictate that.
We'd like to know so we don't overlap.
The price point is great BTW!
Thanks!
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Post by: BackToBasics on February 02, 2010, 02:34:29 PM
Regarding the core, I suspect the Dark/Riot will tend to be relatively smooth since most of the time you will be drilling into the top of the core thus lowering the RG and possibly the diff.
Post by: scotts33 on February 03, 2010, 10:08:15 AM
BTW....as of today 2/3 RG has them up on their website.
http://rotogrip.com/products/balls/ball.asp?ballid=104
http://rotogrip.com/products/balls/ball.asp?ballid=105
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Post by: Mustang Guy on February 03, 2010, 05:21:03 PM
These balls are being introduced in the Roto Grip Shield Line. The Roto Grip brand is phasing out the planet series and moving in a new direction. You are correct this is a modified jolt core. We wanted something new and needed wanted to get back to the reaction characteristics we had with the Saturn and Venus which were much stronger than the Neptune and Pluto. Just the overall evolution of the product line.
Also, the price point is $4 lower to the distributor. That can translate to as high as $10 - $20 less at the MSRP, but the pro shops will charge whatever they feel the product is worth. We wanted to make sure the Shield line wasn't too close to the Storm Hot line and still in between the Storm Tropical and Hot lines.
Hope that helps.
As for some of the reaction questions I can't be as specific on those matters. I'd highly suggest emailing tech@rotogrip.com for more information. We did do some extensive testing against the Pluto and Neptune along with some competitors balls. That was all done by the technical department.
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Post by: TheDude on February 03, 2010, 09:31:42 PM
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Post by: greenefam on February 04, 2010, 09:51:59 AM
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Maybe they are in that price range. The online e-tailers price does not necessarily directly correlate with what distributors charge the local pro shops. I will be happy if they are price competitive with the Freeze. The planet balls are not. The Dark Star and Riot on paper look like good balls and if we (pro shops) can afford to sell them in the Tropical/Rayzr/Freeze price range that will help alot.
I will check with my distributor and report back to this thread with the approximate pro shop price range.
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Hello,
These balls are being introduced in the Roto Grip Shield Line. The Roto Grip brand is phasing out the planet series and moving in a new direction. You are correct this is a modified jolt core. We wanted something new and needed wanted to get back to the reaction characteristics we had with the Saturn and Venus which were much stronger than the Neptune and Pluto. Just the overall evolution of the product line.
Also, the price point is $4 lower to the distributor. That can translate to as high as $10 - $20 less at the MSRP, but the pro shops will charge whatever they feel the product is worth. We wanted to make sure the Shield line wasn't too close to the Storm Hot line and still in between the Storm Tropical and Hot lines.
Hope that helps.
As for some of the reaction questions I can't be as specific on those matters. I'd highly suggest emailing tech@rotogrip.com for more information. We did do some extensive testing against the Pluto and Neptune along with some competitors balls. That was all done by the technical department.
Thanks,
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Storm Products, Inc.
800-369-4402
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www.stormbowling.com
www.rotogrip.com
To follow up with what Roger is saying, from my perspective the price from my distributor will come in slighly above the Freeze/Tropical price point and slightly below the Storm Hot line. Assuming performance is where it is targeted I have high hopes for these balls.
Post by: Steve Richter on February 04, 2010, 08:22:29 PM
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Post by: golfnutFL on February 04, 2010, 08:31:15 PM
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FYI, I got word today that my distributor is pricing these at $129.95 MSRP.
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Post by: Fishbowl815 on February 04, 2010, 08:43:11 PM
Post by: Locke on February 04, 2010, 09:27:16 PM
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on February 08, 2010, 01:54:14 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on February 08, 2010, 08:16:29 AM
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Post by: Locke on February 08, 2010, 09:02:54 AM
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I will be getting a Dark Star to go below my Mars. Looking forward to it.
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Buddy I hope you don't try that. The Dark Star has a stronger core and stronger cover. You will never be able to pul it off man.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on February 09, 2010, 01:10:08 AM
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Post by: Locke on February 09, 2010, 02:49:12 AM
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You guys really think so? Other than a slightly lower RG, i figured that would be made up by it having a pearl coverstock vice the Mars being a hybrid.
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The Riot and Dark Star use the Ultimate Vision cover which is what was on the Illusion and Epic series balls. It is a very strong cover on a fairly weak core. It will move a lot more than the Mars or Pluto. These balls were designed to fill the gap between the Planet balls and the Nomads.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on February 09, 2010, 02:53:39 AM
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Post by: Locke on February 09, 2010, 03:14:17 AM
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on February 09, 2010, 03:18:59 AM
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