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Equipment Boards => Seismic => Topic started by: Schwanstuker on July 30, 2013, 09:43:18 PM
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Yes, it did crack but I take responsibility for it, Thanks to my Low track and this ball being so Low in Rg, I opted for the pin to be placed 5 inches from my 3.5 PAP, my driller drilled the Middle finger right next to the Pin, 8 games later and 100 degree's in my trunk and Hello, a nice long crack from the Pin over into my track area. For 7 of the 8 games I was unbeatable shooting a pair of 279's (Don't get excited, it was all in Practice) but boy did I whack them. So what's my next action, I'm going to drop another $150.00 and hopefully learn from my mistakes. Just a quick question: is it normal for the Venator to have a 1/4 inch shell?
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Would the ball be under warranty?
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Well, I contacted the seller on Ebay, I took pictures and sent them to him and he is going to contact Seismic and ask them, personally if I was seismic, I could easily apply the user/drilling error here, I did a no - no, the Pin was right next to the Middle finger & I use Finger inserts which voids most warranties by them selfs but then again, it is worth a shot, it might be a good Idea to support those who support your Biz but this could swing away from me, I give myself a 20%-80% shot at Seismic sending me a new Venator.
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All 900 Global and AMF shells are really thin so it does not surprise me. I've had numerous AMF and 900 Global crack on me. I believed what I as told by the manufacturer that thickness doesn't matter. yeah, dummy me but you want to believe in the equipment you're throwing right? Well, I had thrown Columbia (post SA) before and didn't have any crack. I just switched to Storm and haven't had any issues. The thickness of Storm's shells are good and I feel confident nothing will happen with them.
If it was just drilled and you got it from your pro shop, they should be able to get the distributor to replace it under warranty.
Good luck!
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ok. Well, I posted same time as you. You are pretty much out of luck if it was through Ebay. You bought a NIB ball and got it. They did their part. I hope the seller will help you. Most companies have stipulations regarding distance from drilling to pin. I wish you all the luck!
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Sorry. I forgot the Venator is Seismic. But I believe 900 Global pours for them. My apologies.
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Call Seismic direct if the person you bought from isn't a proshop. They will likely take care of you even though drilling too close to the pin and leaving it in the car are big no no's
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Yes 900 Global pours Seismic. If it is truely 1/4", I personally would not be happy. While within "spec" I think that is far too thin especially when paying a premium price for a ball like the Venator.
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The heat from your car got you on that one. Heat makes the core expand and then you guessed it, there is your crack. And by the way i have owned quite a few 900 Global balls and haven't had any issues with them cracking. Its mostly human error when you balls crack.
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If he purchased from Boomit800 on eBay he is a staff member so he will do what he can to get you taken care of.
As far as cracked balls I guess I have been lucky 20 years and only thing I have ever had crack was a Freeze a few years back. I have been throwing strictly Seismic the last couple years and have had zero problems.
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Yes 900 Global pours Seismic. If it is truely 1/4", I personally would not be happy. While within "spec" I think that is far too thin especially when paying a premium price for a ball like the Venator.
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all their shells are that thin.
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I've owned plenty of Lane #1 and Jet balls that Global poured and NONE of them were anywhere near 1/4".
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Yes, Boomit800 is the person I have been dealing with, he was the seller that gave me the $10.00 sorry for the inconvenience award from Seismic when they sold out of their first run of these balls, and because of his professionalism in dealing with me, I'm purchasing the Solaris Platinum from him in September.
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every company has bowling balls crack guys. Regardless of cover thickness if it is in extreme heat it will crack it will crack in cold or if left next to a furnace vent that is running.
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Gary, this is not the first ball I have drilled near the pin and with exception of freezing temps, I never take my equipment out of the car and this is the first ball cracking for me ever except for a AMF Nighthawk splitting in my closet. I told Boomit800 that if he gets a replacement or I buy another Venator from him, I'm drilling the middle finger through the Pin, a Venator cracking will never happen again.
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Damn that sucks! It could've been a combination of things, heat, pin, dull drill bit, drilled to fast, too much glue, or just pure bad luck. We will never know. The so called thin shells isn't the cause or the 900 global plant. Don't believe the nonsense some people say on here.
Me and my buddy have been throwing Seismic for 2.5yrs, I haven't had one crack on me, and still have my first BLackout, well over 1000 games. My buddy has had one crack on him, an Aftermath and he has 2 of everything Seismic put out. Cracking happens with the invent of these super soaker covers, some sooner than others. Does it suck, hell yeah it does. But I stand by Seismic products, and I hope, and am sure that Ryan will take care of you. If not, contact me and I'll ship you a brand new one on my dime!
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Anytime I'm close to the pin, I adjust the layout and drill the pin out completely. I've never had a ball crack and that includes many 900 Global poured balls.
Like Gunny said above, it sucks and the reasons for cracking he mentioned are spot on, many times it's the dull bits/fast drilling scenario causing micro-fractures around the hole just waiting for an excuse (like heat) to spread.
I still think a 1/4" shell is too thin though.
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Anytime I'm close to the pin, I adjust the layout and drill the pin out completely. I've never had a ball crack and that includes many 900 Global poured balls.
I do the same, always adjust to just drill it out, i never drill just a portion of it out, or right next to it.
I still think a 1/4" shell is too thin though.
The Venator is actually a smidge below 1/2", same as 900 Global/AMF ;)
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Last night I was on Ebay shopping for a replacement for the Venator, I looked 18 pages deep and saw a Purple Hammer Taboo but my thoughts always came back to the pin carry & reaction shape of the Venator. Today I opened my Ebay messages and there was a message from Boomit800, it said that based on the Pin cracking from drilling that did affect the warranty but he also added that it was not a total loss, if I pay a small fee, they will send me a new Venator, I think this is completely fair and more than I deserve for not just drilling out the Pin in the first place for my Middle finger.
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OK, Money has been sent, hopefully it gets here Monday or Tuesday, I still wish I could have used it tonight but it just was not meant to be, my Longhorn is just going to have to do all the work.
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All balls crack regardless of brand. My longhorn cracked and I received a replacement very fast so don't worry about getting a replacement for it.. The company that Ive had the most balls crack so far is Storm.
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schwanstuker,
Thank you. You just sold me OFF of Siesmic. 1/4 inch shell? That is not right and sounds cheap. Any ball can crack. I had a DV8 crack after a year and they replaced it. They have a 2 year warranty. Im not pimping dv8 here but thats the truth.
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Wow. Everyone has their own opinion. I personally didn't like anything I threw from dv8 and the Brutal Nightmare was a terrible match up for me but that didn't make it bad, just bad for me. I looked at the cover on my Venator and it is closer to 1/2 inch. I can say I was skeptical about the Venator when I first threw it, but I guess the shot was more torn up than I thought. I can say I have now throw 4 seismic balls and have liked them all. The Blackout is one of the best I've ever thrown and in my top three favorites of all time. The Amp was great controll piece and was unique, the Charged was a strong pearl that was good but not my favorite of the 4. But still a good ball and very useable. I also struggle with strong polished pearls.
I am a huge Roto Grip supporter with there current line in my opinion being one of the best out there. But that being said, I bought the newest Seismic and not the newest Roto Grip offering.
If you don't try you will never know. I recommend trying their stuff and I'm really waiting to see the Black out and Euphoria line replacement!
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Props to seismic replacing for a small fee! Thats sweet!
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It's too bad that this guy sits on the fence waiting to pounce just to justify not buying 1 ball over the other, 12XSECH, Please go buy all the DV8's your little heart desires and when you shoe up against a Seismic user, you can think back, we told you so but you refused to believe it, Seismic out carries anything on the market! Weather my Venator has a 1/4 or 1/2 thick shell, this is the first Seismic or 900 Global poured ball that has ever cracked for me and it was 100% my fault that it did crack, go drill a DV8 with 1 of your fingers holes within 1/4 inch of the Pin, if it cracks, Please let us know if that 2 year warranty is worth a damn.
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My revenge cracked on the bridge. I called dv8. They asked me to email them a pic.
I sent it....they replied that it was covered. The revenge was discontinued
So they sent me a nightmare. They didn't even ask for the revenge back.
THATS HOW THE WARRANTY WORKS SCHWANSTUCK.
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Did he call Seismic directly? Gunny also offered a replacement for free...
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My good friend got his punched up, it moves quite a bit to say the least. Honestly, the cover was thicker than most are claiming..it was noticeable that the roto grip ball next to it had a thicker cover...but not by much at all.
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Expanding and contracting . . sore subject here for me, but it's true. I just drilled a Venator and a Long Horn last week, I don't remember being surprised at the cover thickness, and I'll check, but it seemed normal to me. And yeah, unfortunately I'd say you're responsible . . and it sucks, but kudos for being realistic and honest about it.