Post by: DaveW on November 25, 2009, 09:28:44 AM
Its a pretty sweet looking ball. Another attention grabber on the rack and going down the lane. We threw them in league and if anything there was too much oil for mine, Ryan shot high series this week i believe though. =)
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Post by: JustinWi on November 25, 2009, 05:39:43 PM
Post by: RyanRPS on November 25, 2009, 05:51:01 PM
Ryan
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Post by: Lillen on November 29, 2009, 10:34:48 AM
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Post by: RyanRPS on November 29, 2009, 03:35:28 PM
Cheers
Ryan
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Post by: dougb on November 30, 2009, 08:59:14 AM
Post by: Teej7753 on December 04, 2009, 01:59:52 AM
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Post by: mainzer on December 07, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
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Post by: RyanRPS on December 07, 2009, 04:10:24 PM
yes, that is polished, but as I was saying previously the urethane doesnt polish up to a high shine. Try the ball as is first of all, but if you need a little help through the heads add a little more polish - it still wont look that polished... that's urethane!
Let us know how you get on,
Ryan
Post by: JS on December 07, 2009, 04:27:14 PM
I drilled up a 14lber for my wife and after a few times out she was ready to have me sell it. Grabbed way too early for her. I tried polishing it with Factory Finish and then with Finesse It and still not much of a change. We put it in the wax machine that you find at the lanes for over 10 minutes (just kept feeding it quarters). Once I had that as a base, put it back on the spinner and hit it with Factory Finish. BIG difference. Ball clears the heads easily and retains a lot of power/hit for the back. We were practicing last night and she was punishing the pins with it. Next time I get to the lanes with the machine I'm going to put mine in.
Please do what Ryan suggested first. That is try it OOB. If you need more length or push give the wax machine a try.
Post by: dougb on December 07, 2009, 04:48:45 PM
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jsluk,
I drilled up a 14lber for my wife and after a few times out she was ready to have me sell it. Grabbed way too early for her. I tried polishing it with Factory Finish and then with Finesse It and still not much of a change. We put it in the wax machine that you find at the lanes for over 10 minutes (just kept feeding it quarters). Once I had that as a base, put it back on the spinner and hit it with Factory Finish. BIG difference. Ball clears the heads easily and retains a lot of power/hit for the back. We were practicing last night and she was punishing the pins with it. Next time I get to the lanes with the machine I'm going to put mine in.
Please do what Ryan suggested first. That is try it OOB. If you need more length or push give the wax machine a try.
Doesn't the wax machine essentially turn any ball into the equivalent of a plastic ball?
Post by: RyanRPS on December 07, 2009, 05:16:56 PM
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jsluk,
I drilled up a 14lber for my wife and after a few times out she was ready to have me sell it. Grabbed way too early for her. I tried polishing it with Factory Finish and then with Finesse It and still not much of a change. We put it in the wax machine that you find at the lanes for over 10 minutes (just kept feeding it quarters). Once I had that as a base, put it back on the spinner and hit it with Factory Finish. BIG difference. Ball clears the heads easily and retains a lot of power/hit for the back. We were practicing last night and she was punishing the pins with it. Next time I get to the lanes with the machine I'm going to put mine in.
Please do what Ryan suggested first. That is try it OOB. If you need more length or push give the wax machine a try.
JS, glad you got it to your(your wifes) likeing in the end!
As we said when developing this ball, it is primarily designed for "international short" patterns, where there IS head oil, but you want the ball not to grab at the end of the pattern... Out of box the Desperado performs brilliantly on these sort of patterns.
For drier patterns however you may need to add a little polish. For some of my own customers I have not needed to change the box finish, and for others I have.
For house shots where you just want to even out the over/under, you would mostly likely not need to change the surface.
Ryan
Post by: six pack on December 07, 2009, 05:33:06 PM
a little advice though,I've found on urethane that I like a little surface,urethane is all about hooking in the mids and a tame backend and roll.if you need polish then chances are you have the wrong ball.
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Post by: JS on December 07, 2009, 07:38:50 PM
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Doesn't the wax machine essentially turn any ball into the equivalent of a plastic ball?
That's what I would have thought but maybe that just applies to resin balls. I can tell you from watching the ball react that it cleared the heads easily and reacted on the back end. It did not skid at all.
To give you some comparison, I was using a Requiem (high pin and polish), and while it was a tad (or two) too strong, I could have made it work. And it came back with heavy flare rings on it so there was oil on the pair (freshly done with 3 league games on them). The polished Desperado did not skid, it rolled, and made a very nice move on the back and had excellent carry.
I was talking with a pro shop professional with many years of experience and he said "back in the day" when urethane was the ball, he used the old wax blocks from the machines to "polish" up the old Hammers, etc from those days. He was the one to suggest the wax machine.
Post by: charlest on December 07, 2009, 07:51:02 PM
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jsluk,
I drilled up a 14lber for my wife and after a few times out she was ready to have me sell it. Grabbed way too early for her. I tried polishing it with Factory Finish and then with Finesse It and still not much of a change. We put it in the wax machine that you find at the lanes for over 10 minutes (just kept feeding it quarters). Once I had that as a base, put it back on the spinner and hit it with Factory Finish. BIG difference. Ball clears the heads easily and retains a lot of power/hit for the back. We were practicing last night and she was punishing the pins with it. Next time I get to the lanes with the machine I''m going to put mine in.
Please do what Ryan suggested first. That is try it OOB. If you need more length or push give the wax machine a try.
John,
Is it beter than mine that day at Strike and Spare?
(Blew 5 racks in a row with the Desperado on the left lane. Surprised even me!)
I told you I would shine it with Storm''s Xtra Shine!
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Post by: A_P_K on December 07, 2009, 08:03:38 PM
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Post by: JS on December 07, 2009, 08:27:38 PM
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John,
Is it beter than mine that day at Strike and Spare?
(Blew 5 racks in a row with the Desperado on the left lane. Surprised even me!)
I told you I would shine it with Storm''s Xtra Shine!
My wife throws it at least a mile or two slower than you do so she needed the extra push in the heads but comparing the two, hers did pick up later than yours and seemed to have more punch at the deck. While you were carrying what seemed like everything though, the shine I got on hers is more than you got with the Storm Xtra Shine. There was one ball she threw that I had my back turned and I heard a crack and thought she switched to a LaneMasters ball. When I turned around she had a grin from ear to ear and said "did you hear that". Priceless.
Post by: JS on December 07, 2009, 08:36:30 PM
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John, Jeff...how do you think I'd fare with the Desperado? Would I need to shine the s-h-i-t out of it to get it to work? Or is my Too Hot good enough? Majestic flat out stopped oiling on the high side of the house Tuesday nights.
If they're altogether dry you would need some heavy duty polish. Even though you have good speed it may labor getting thru the heads. If it is just dry in the back then you may be good.
Post by: charlest on December 07, 2009, 09:03:44 PM
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John,
Is it beter than mine that day at Strike and Spare?
(Blew 5 racks in a row with the Desperado on the left lane. Surprised even me!)
I told you I would shine it with Storm''s Xtra Shine!
My wife throws it at least a mile or two slower than you do so she needed the extra push in the heads but comparing the two, hers did pick up later than yours and seemed to have more punch at the deck. While you were carrying what seemed like everything though, the shine I got on hers is more than you got with the Storm Xtra Shine. There was one ball she threw that I had my back turned and I heard a crack and thought she switched to a LaneMasters ball. When I turned around she had a grin from ear to ear and said "did you hear that". Priceless.
Even more shine??? Darn!
Mine hardly grabs now. I was even thinking of roughing it up a bit.
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Post by: charlest on December 07, 2009, 09:09:01 PM
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John, Jeff...how do you think I'd fare with the Desperado? Would I need to shine the s-h-i-t out of it to get it to work? Or is my Too Hot good enough? Majestic flat out stopped oiling on the high side of the house Tuesday nights.
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Because of its asymetric core, it seems to my eyes to give/provide more backend than even my Slate Blue Gargoyle, which is pearlized. But, so far, only at Strike and Spare has there been dry enough for it.
I think you would not have to shine it a lot. It is nothing like the Natural or the Hype, which are standard, rolly solid urethanes.
My only worry is how wide a range can it handle for my and your release. I really can't say right now or, at least, not yet. I wouldn't urge you to experiment with one right now. You have a lot of balls with which you can play with the surfaces for Majestic.
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