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Equipment Boards => Seismic => Topic started by: 12XSECH on July 26, 2013, 03:58:04 PM
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I dont see Seismic listed on bowlingball.com. They have the "perfect scale" that measures a balls strength. I was looking to compare the Venator to other balls but wasnt able to.
So Im asking you guys....forget stats, lanes etc....just talking pure ball strength potential...The Venator is equal to or stronger than ????? Nightmare? Endless Nightmare? Sync? Aura? first blood???
Thanks.
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in my opinion, stronger than them all
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See my write up against some familiar balls
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I think its a good thing I didnt jump at all the hype about the Venator. After reading a lot and seeing videos, it doesnt appear as strong as some are making it out to be. In Buddies Pro shop video, the Venator looks like its struggling. Looks like I will probably stay with DV8 and go with the Endless Nightmare.
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I wouldn't rule it out. I had a brutal nightmare last year that was hyped up real good and it was terrible. I ended up with the soul instead. The Venator is a good ball and very close to my soul with similar surface.
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I think its a good thing I didnt jump at all the hype about the Venator. After reading a lot and seeing videos, it doesnt appear as strong as some are making it out to be. In Buddies Pro shop video, the Venator looks like its struggling. Looks like I will probably stay with DV8 and go with the Endless Nightmare.
If you watch the video closely, you can clearly see the Venator is laboring on the backend. Which tells me the ball is either burning up and had a loss of energy, or the layout is the wrong match for chris and the pattern. That's why you saw it struggling. Remember, a weaker ball will hook more on a drier pattern than a stronger ball will. Ball motion is the thing to watch. And in his video you see the Venator labor the backends telling me it expended it's energy too soon. The Dominion being the weaker ball should show more hook because of more stored energy.
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I will make another report when I throw on heavier oil a d fresh oil. The ball at similar surface and similar drill is just as string as my Defiant Soul which is a very strong ball
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Gunny,
I see the Venator laboring...But I dont think that was Chris's intention of the video. I doubt he wanted a video showing the Dominion stronger then the newer Venator. He is trying to sell new balls (Venator) but that video really made the ball look bad. Did he drill the ball wrong for himself? I think after testing 1000's of balls he knows what layout works for him.
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I just went to biddies pro shop site to check out the venator video again....It says "This video has been removed by the user."
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I dont think it was Chris's intention either. And I never said he doesn't know what layouts work for him. But you can easily see the ball burning up its energy. Take it as you will, but ball motion doesn't lie. His video shows the Venator burning up, that's all. Now people can look at it and say "that ball sucks cause it don't hook!", or they can see it for what it truly is..."that ball is burning up, there's not enough oil for it".
You see his video and claim it's not strong and too much hype, I'll show you 3 more that show it is very strong. Would it be a good comparison, maybe & maybe not, but if you watch ball motion, than you will see that the ball flat out hooks. And watching his ball motion, you can see the ball start to make it's move, expends energy, than flat out labors to the pocket. I'm just pointing that out. The bowlers can make their own logical decision. Not saying it was intentional or that Chris doesn't know what he's doing, I'm just stating what I see.
As an example, there was a guy on bbe that claimed the Venator was a dud, because his first time out his Blackout hooked more. Than when he actually bowled again on "some oil", the Venator actually out hooked the Blackout by many boards. The first is a perfect example of throwing a strong ball on a condition that it isn't recommended for. Just as you wouldn't throw a plastic ball on the US Open pattern, because you wouldn't see any ball motion whatsoever. it would go straight.
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Hmmmm. I was watching it this morning. I just checked and it's still on youtube.
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It works from youtube, just not from the buddies site
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The Venator is very strong, to strong for most ths, unless you are planning on being in at about 4th or 5th arrow to find enough oil.
A friend of mine throws alot of DV8 and I can say my carry is better, reaction more consistent, and read on the lane seems to be easier.
It is not about how much a ball can hook hook doesnt equate into scoring and i want a ball that scores the best not hooks the most.
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I watched Chris's video yesterday. The first thing I said was "WOW! That ball a burning and hitting weak." I wish he had moved deeper in the puddle to get the ball through the heads better. I do feel that his angles were rather small for him. If you look at the comparison, even the Dominion seems to struggle. A few of the shots, the ball deflects to the right as it hit the pocket. I have yet to drill my Venator, but after drilling a Storm Sync test ball 45/4.25/25 and not having enough oil to use it, I'm going to make sure I drill this with larger angles.
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If you want, I posted on here. Gunny has posted videos on here. Jason Baer has some videos up, too. We've all been able to swing left gutter to right, with strong return. We're all three at different rev spectrums, and it has given great payoff.
That being said, if I have to I can stay right, throw it harder up the boards, and know it's going to hold due to polish.
The Venator is much stronger than my similarly drilled Stampede, but I'm going to knock it down to 4000 and see how much more it'll give me.
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I will have my vid edited and up here sometime tomorrow i am swinging it and bringing it also. I would say a good 3-4 stronger than Raging Bull same layout same surface.
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Dude, keep your DV8's, if I ever bowl against you, I'll be carrying shot's with my Venator while your trying to figure out when & where your DV8's are gonna make their turn!
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Hello Everyone
I figured I'd chime in here after reading these posts. First our center pattern is 42 feet with over 25 mils. This is a lot of oil compared to many other house patterns and longer than most. In our center balls don't really boom in the backend. For us using duller balls is best as polished balls do have a tenency to be smooth off the pattern.
I did take the Venator with me to PA to practice and bowl a tourney. The house pattern in PA was 39 ft. Here the Venator was greatly stronger than the Dominion as the Dominion was smoother throughout the whole lane. With the Venator I was able to stand 7 boards farther left and play it 3 boards farther right at the breakpoint. When the Venator finds friction it definitely boomerangs.
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Thank you Chris for the follow up. With the difference in your center's house pattern (42') and the tourney (39'), is it safe to say that the tourney pattern (even though shorter), had more mils of oil, thus you being able to notice the more overall strength of the Venator? I used mines on a summer sport shot that was 44', and supposedly 2:1 flat across. I was expecting a little more strength out of my Venator, but come to find out, the volume was not heavy. Was long, but not heavy...so I may have seen a little burn off of energy sooner rather than later. I can't wait to get it on something much much heavier.
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schwanstuker,
I will stick to the DV8. They are proven balls and from what Ive seen and read about the Venator its not that strong unless one of the staffers are writing the review. Nothing against the staffers here, but on every ball page I never saw a staffer give a weak review. And if you ever did bowl against me, you'll probably lose.
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Please read my second review. I am not a staffer and have been. Storm Roto guy for a long time. The ball needs oil and is a beast on oil. Was two boards stronger than my Soul which was hands down stronger that the Brutal Nightmare I had
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schwanstuker,
I will stick to the DV8. They are proven balls and from what Ive seen and read about the Venator its not that strong unless one of the staffers are writing the review. Nothing against the staffers here, but on every ball page I never saw a staffer give a weak review. And if you ever did bowl against me, you'll probably lose.
Really? Some people just don't know anything about stuff... Maybe do some research before you make bold claims. There are no weak reviews because the ball is that good. And it does as advertised. And if you think Seismic isn't proven, than maybe you should ask Brian Voss. He won the Irish Open in 2012. Shooting 300 with the Raging Bull Charged in that tournament. Sounds pretty proven to me. Sorry we don't have the backing of a big ball company like DV8 does with Brunswick. But I assure you the Seismic gear is every bit as good as the other big names. Don't be afraid to try it, you won't be disappointed.
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Sadly Gunny, he will be disappointed because he will try it on lighter oil than it was designed for just to give it low grades, this kid is just that kind of a troll, just like a child, he asks why - why- why, and when you tell him, he refuses to believe it's possible for Seismic to be that much better. Personally I would like him to go to the DV8 Forum and resume his roll as a DV8 Groupie.
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Schwanstuk...you sound like s know it all but what idiot leaves
A ball in his trunk on a 100 degree day...lolllol. some know it all you are.
The 1/4 inch shell turned me off to the line. Think how thin 1/4
Inch is.
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I mentioned its closer to half inch.
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Schwanstuk...you sound like s know it all but what idiot leaves
A ball in his trunk on a 100 degree day...lolllol. some know it all you are.
The 1/4 inch shell turned me off to the line. Think how thin 1/4
Inch is.
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Schwanstuk...you sound like s know it all but what idiot leaves
A ball in his trunk on a 100 degree day...lolllol. some know it all you are.
The 1/4 inch shell turned me off to the line. Think how thin 1/4
Inch is.
They do not have a quarter inch cover. It is just about a half inch the same as pretty much any other manufacturer. Do you honestly think all these smaller companies are going to have 900 Global pour balls for them with covers so thin that the chance of cracking is more of a possibility, quality and customer satisfaction is what these companies live on as they don't have the budget for huge marketing campaigns like the big 3. Trust me I have heard of many more instances of DV8's cracking than I have of all the Global pours combined, and to their credit they generally replace balls under warranty that they probably shouldn't.
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There is way more talk of 900 global brand balls cracking on here...
But not seismic, jet or lane onex even though they are from the same plant..
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And if you ever did bowl against me, you'll probably lose.
only online would you hear someone say this. Lol. Easy to be a key board super hero when you know you don't need to back the talk. Honestly it makes me think the kid stinks if he has to tell people he would beat them.
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mainzer....I'll bet you to.....
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This post has become something other than what it was intended for. Go call people out in the Misc forum.
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And if you ever did bowl against me, you'll probably lose.
only online would you hear someone say this. Lol. Easy to be a key board super hero when you know you don't need to back the talk. Honestly it makes me think the kid stinks if he has to tell people he would beat them.
This clown is on the misc. forum telling everybody what a great bowler he is and that he is also a fabulous business owner also. Don't pay him any mind.
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And if you ever did bowl against me, you'll probably lose.
only online would you hear someone say this. Lol. Easy to be a key board super hero when you know you don't need to back the talk. Honestly it makes me think the kid stinks if he has to tell people he would beat them.
This clown is on the misc. forum telling everybody what a great bowler he is and that he is also a fabulous business owner also. Don't pay him any mind.
He can't be that good he is begging for people to give him suggestions for a dry lane ball because his THS is to dry and he can't adjust to it...and all he has drilled up is a bunch of hook in a box,
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And if you ever did bowl against me, you'll probably lose.
only online would you hear someone say this. Lol. Easy to be a key board super hero when you know you don't need to back the talk. Honestly it makes me think the kid stinks if he has to tell people he would beat them.
This clown is on the misc. forum telling everybody what a great bowler he is and that he is also a fabulous business owner also. Don't pay him any mind.
He can't be that good he is begging for people to give him suggestions for a dry lane ball because his THS is to dry and he can't adjust to it...and all he has drilled up is a bunch of hook in a box,
Absolutely. REAX, Endless Nightmare, etc. Guy has a low track which means he spins it more than rolls it which is absolute death on dry. Curious as to what he really averages. One post its 220 on THS, 200 sport. Next post its 217 on THS and 195 on sport. Seems to make it up as he goes along. Tells me all I need to know about him.
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Seems like there is no more conversation to be had on this topic. Locking.