Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
surfaces for increased control. It consists of a clean pearl reactive
2-color cover stock and a .025 (low) differential weight block for increased
length in the mid-lane. The weight block of Too Hot maintains adequate
dynamic energy to generate sufficient backend reaction for carry. The
specifications are: Cover stock: Curelyon Pearl Reactive Cover stock;
Factory Finish: 1500-grit Polished; Color: Green/Gold 2-color cover stock;
Hardness: 76-78 Rex D-scale; Weight Block: Modified 2-piece; Radius of
Gyration: 2.582 (Medium); Differential: .025 (Low); Flare Potential: Med.
(3"); Hook Potential: 15/11 Dull/Shiny on Storm's scale of 1-20; Length: 8
on a scale of 1-10; Backend: 6 on a scale of 1-10; Recommended Lane
Condition: Medium to Dry Lanes
Post by: Goof1073 on March 14, 2001, 09:02:39 AM
When I first got this ball I was surprised by the amount of hook the ball really had. I immediately fell in love with this ball, as it is extremely versatile. The weight block is back to basics and the cover just knocks the pins around like crazy!! I will typically play 15 to 5 with this ball on a second shift shot. If there is a bit too much oil for this line...this ball will work just as well up 5 or for drier 20 without any problems. It's not a really big hooking ball so make sure you don't play in too much oil or it won't come back (it's almost like the old Black Rages in this respect).
I can't say enough about this ball. I haven't hit a series under 700 with it so far and have a high series of 812 (300-254-258) with it. Who says the lower priced balls don't hit well? If you are looking for a great mid to light oil ball this is it! A perfect 10 out of 10 in every way.
Oh and if there is ever any doubt about the low-end stuff hitting well...check out my review on the flame reactive!!
Post by: Billy Ray on March 21, 2001, 08:43:35 AM
Pin is under my ring finger Hole is 1.5" below my PAP.
This ball is awesome on the burnt heads. The cover clears the heads and it plays well from inside the 5th or 6th arrow. Recovers nicely but controllably. The weight Block balances control and power well. Another winner from Storm! Priced right too! Compliments my Eraser and Lightning Flash nicely!
Post by: bug on April 30, 2001, 11:36:37 AM
Drill=cg under ring finger, pin to right of ring fingertip (at 1 o'clock), looking for distance and snap.
Condition=light oil.
Purchased for drier condition than used by Eraser or Messenger Ti Pearl. The factory finish was too grippy. Sanded with wet 2500 grit, and finished with Finesse.
The Too Hot works well for light oil and dry back. The coverstock wears well. This ball seems too much for completely fried conditions. My tweener buddy likes the ball for second shift. This ball could be described as a weaker, milder Eraser. Thank You, BUG
Post by: Mike Austin on May 03, 2001, 01:47:08 AM
I have drilled two of these balls for myself, and I may not be finished, and moved about 15 of these through my shop already. TH #1 has turned out to be an experiment that worked. I put the pin to the left of my middle finger, and the cg in my grip with no extra hole (needed or wanted). This layout puts the pin about 6 inches from my PAP. This is a layout I have used with much success with balls such as Super Beast, Speed Demon and Tiger in the past. The pin is so far from my axis (so close to my track)that the ball tends to hold axis rotation longer, which gets it down the lane better, and lays off on the back end.
As I have medium speed and above average revs, I have trouble when the lanes are really hooking. TH #1 turned out to be a DART. This ball would work well if the lanes were 15 feet longer! There has been a couple of times when the lanes have been just scorching, that this ball has worked awesome. BTW, I could not wrinkle this ball in Reno at the Stadium. DAMN. I needed just a little back end with this great length, hence TH #2....
#2 has the pin to the right of my ring finger with the cg directly under the pin. The pin was out about 1 1/2 inches from the cg, and have 3.4 Top weight before drilling. I had to use an X hole to get the ball back to legal, and this hole was put 1 1/2 inches above my PAP. I used a small(3/4) inch bit and about 2 1/2 inches deep. For me, this was about a 5 inch pin from PAP layout, with the mass bias strong.
This ball is nice! Very nice length with a strong back end. Very comparable to Super Beast, a little less than Tiger, but much more than Flame Reactive. This ball is NOT a fresh oil ball, you need some dry for this ball. But when they break down, and you gotta move in to 3rd or 4th arrow or deeper, this ball is at home. You can open up the lane very well. With the mellow pearl shell, you can get some hold you won't get with stronger pearl balls (Eraser, Trauma, Pearl Ti, Pearl Monster). The tamed down Thunder Storm weight block still provides plenty of hitting power. Price is nice too. Hope this helps ya.....
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Mike Austin
Mike Austin's Precision Pro Shop
Houston, TX
strikes4days@aol.com
Post by: Michael on May 30, 2001, 12:04:23 PM
I drilled it with the pin just below my bridge with no extra hole. It doesn't have hardly any flare. It was drilled for a smooth arc. My ball driller kicked the cg out about half an inch from my center of grip. The ball had about a 3 inch pin. I really like how the ball rolls it is very, very predictable. It doesn't give me a huge reaction. I drilled the ball specificly for the sport condition. So we will see how it does!
Good Luck
Post by: Goof1073 on June 12, 2001, 12:02:19 PM
I have had this ball for over 3 months...I had gotten it when it first came out! Since my previous review I have continued to have great success with this ball. I have found it to be very versatile on a wide range of conditions and lines. I have bowled with it on full wood, synthetic heads and full synthetic with the same results...10 in the pit. I will admit that this ball isn't the best ball for wet conditions nor is it well suited for extreme dry...but anywhere in between it's great. In a recent Massachusetts tournament I ran off my second 800 with this ball going 300-279-258 for a 837...only a 4pin, 7pin,10pin and a strike away from a 900!
I have fallen in love with this ball and have purchased a second one to drill out for a different reaction. I have also bought a Trauma and will post a review of this soon.
Overall I still would say that this ball is a great ball for anyone on medium conditions...given the correct drilling and surface prep. I have seen everything from crankers to strokers use this and love it. This is in my opinion the best low end ball on the market bare none...I have tried messengers and Vortex's but this core/shell combo knocks them dead.
Go get a too hot and enjoy bowling up a storm!!
Post by: jmf300 on June 24, 2001, 06:14:16 AM
Post by: Deadbait on August 21, 2001, 12:09:36 AM
Luck Bullred
Post by: Christopher Marchand on September 07, 2001, 08:22:08 AM
Chris
Post by: Leftyhi-trak on September 28, 2001, 10:00:00 AM
Bowler: Stroker, 15-16mph
Bowled in a house that oils 8 to 8 to 38'. I had been swinging a pearl particle but was incurring too much over/under. Pulled the Too Hot out and decided to try down the oil line with a slight bump to the dry. (10 to 6) To my suprise this ball hooked quite nicely and set. I did eat a few seven pins but I was trying to spin the ball to get a little more area. If I did a flat roll this ball hit hard. I will be using this ball a lot at a tournament this weekend. It was nice to throw a pearl reactive that was not jumpy just even depending on release. I will review again but would definitely recommend for med-light conditions or choppy where you need to take the lane out of play.
High Flush to all,
Lefty
Post by: Tweener on November 08, 2001, 02:32:35 PM
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Ball surface: Factory
Layout: 1in pin and pin is under the ring finger
Lane conditions:
Condition 1: med oil through heads and pines and nice backends on synthetic
Condition 2: med oil with carry down
Condition 3: very light oil on wood lanes
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I am in three houses now so I can give you a little more info about how balls react on different lanes and conditions.
Condition 1: I really like to use this ball on this condition because the ball is pretty long and has a nice snap for the backend. I was playing an outside line by starting on 23 and throwing over 11 to 13 and flaring to 4.
Condition 2: Still an okay condition but because the length of the ball, sometimes it will not finish and leaves nice pretty washouts (playing the same line has condition 1). If you play a little more straight up, you can get the ball to work, but I rather pull out another ball then trying to fight with the ball and trying to carry a ten.
Condition 3: Playing by the gutter cap and throwing about 25, this ball will get out and finish. The only problem is if there is carrydown, this ball seems to die before getting into the pocket. I got tired of fighting with the ball because its not my favorite shot and being a splochy oil, I decided to pull out an urethane.
Overall I like this ball for medium oil and sharp backends with this setup. On the conditions I would rate:
Condition 1:
Control: 9
hook:9
recommendation for this lane condition:9
Condition 2:
Control: 6
hook:7
recommendation for this lane condition:6
Condition 3:
Control: 5
hook:6
recommendation for this lane condition:6
Remember this is for only my style. I really feel that this ball can be used by people who do not put a lot of revs on the ball on these drier conditions. I really think if you like playing deep inside, this ball will work especially real dry lanes with no carry down.
I Would recommend this ball to any player looking for a cheap ball that can be pretty universal.
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Tweener2k []
Post by: BowlingJunkie6 on November 26, 2001, 10:48:36 AM
Usually with some head oil, and the dry back end, I like to take this ball from the 15 board, run it out to about 7, and then let the ball do the rest. I was not expecting the hit I received with this ball, because I was looking for a tame reaction. It literally will explode the pins off the pin deck. I have an older Piranha-C that still gives me great reaction, and I like to use it a lot. The Piranha-C, and Black Messenger that I have been throwing, will keep the pins low, which I consider a plus. The Too Hot tends to really send them flying, which looks nice, but sometimes will flip a pin past a corner pin.
I really like the Too Hot for what I use it for, and am looking forward to purchasing an Erase-It for the heavier oil patterns.
Good luck and good bowling.
Post by: Christopher Marchand on December 13, 2001, 06:29:03 AM
Chris Marchand
Bowl-Mor Pro Shop
Post by: LuckyLefty on December 13, 2001, 11:21:41 AM
Tornado and the the Red Storm Too Hot on the Ebonite Forum.
Thanks for reading.
Regards,
Luckylefty
Post by: Mongo on January 02, 2002, 12:24:14 PM
2 1/2" Pin
2 oz. TW
Drill:
5 X 5 (pin over bridge)
Box finish
Drilled the Too Hot with the expectations of having something to go to When my Eraser was too much. I was looking for something stronger than a pancake, but would still play on the dry.
I'm still looking.
The Too Hot, with this setup, is WAY too much. I get better length and a smoother move from the Eraser. I was actually shocked at the amount of flare I got, 4"+. The Too Hot is very skid/flippy and reads dry hard. I was expecting a ball that was 2-3 feet longer than my Eraser with a smoother backend. Right now, the Too Hot is stronger and harder to read.
Given the fact that I have drilled a couple up for customers (which they loved) I may have to give it one more chance. However, this high RG drilling did not match up with this ball at all.
Post by: StormLefty on January 02, 2002, 03:31:29 PM
Drilled pin above fingers, 5x4 drilling.
Great value for the money! Old coverstock makes it lower power, high RG gets it down the lane, and low differential makes it smooth and predictable.
I got the Too Hot for when the heads dry up and as a lower hook alternative to my stronger stuff. I would have to say this ball is even better and even stronger than I expected. It goes nice and long, then has a strong pop at the back and hits hard. The Too Hot is about 4 boards or so less with my feet than my Eraser, but it actually looks sharper on the back. The reason is the Too Hot goes longer then flips like you pulled the string, whereas the Eraser starts up a few feet earlier, covers more boards out and back, making it look like it arcs in comparison.
The Too Hot will jump off the dry if you throw it too far into dry outside boards, and will snap hard off of super clean synthetic backends. I have found that a light scuff (white scotchbrite) will dull it a bit and make it smoother off the dry and not as sensitive to carrydown.
Great ball for medium to dry for medium to low speed players. Good for dry heads or medium with backends for higher speed players. On oily or carrydown conditions, I would guess higher speed players will need to dull the ball or go with the Ultra Hot which is a solid with mica.
Post by: PolishHammer on January 11, 2002, 08:42:22 AM
Post by: maestro1313 on January 14, 2002, 03:40:12 PM
Now to be fair, I bowl without a thumb in the ball so I get more hook then some will with this ball.
I threw my first practice ball and it went directly into the gutter.
Figured there would be a learning curve... that was it!
I am a 185 bowler and I threw a personal high 688 in my first series with the ball.
This included a 260 game where I had 10 strikes including 8 in a row.
This ball just chewed through the pins! The ball hit so hard, it was like it reached out and pushed pins over...
I would say this is a great ball for the $$$ (I spent just over $100 - drilled) but I really have to say this is a great ball... at any price.
I am on middle of the road lanes... not too dry... not to wet..
I go to our other house tommorow, I will update and let you know what happpens...
Excellent ball so far!
Post by: Deadbait on January 20, 2002, 11:11:06 PM
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Post by: bowlingking on March 21, 2002, 07:43:04 PM
I have to agree with some of the other reviews that this ball has more hook than I was expecting, however it does need some dry. If there isn't enough dry, you will definately know because you will never carry all ten. Seems to work great on house shots on the dry, and when you get lined up with enough dry, look out!
When this happens the too hot definately hits and carries excellent. Overall a great ball.
Post by: Track900 on April 06, 2002, 07:13:28 PM
I am happy with the purchase. It covers more boards than I expected it to, but it is playable on dry lanes because it allows you to play very deep (I am talking lofting the ball over the left gutter(right handed)) and still carry. I have found that I can also use the ball to go up the lane as long as there are some dry boards to get the ball going. And like all STORM equipment its carry is awsome.
And to top it all off you cant go wrong with the price. Very low price for a ton of performance. Like Always Great Job Storm!
Post by: JP1 on April 26, 2002, 03:09:02 AM
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Post by: MerkinMan on October 09, 2002, 09:03:49 PM
Recently went 299-242-249=790 on very hooking condition. very smooth transition, and smash in the pocket.
for the price, storm has done well with this line of equipment....
Thanks storm, and KEEP IT COMING!!!!!
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Post by: bowler0821 on January 05, 2003, 12:07:49 AM
15-17 mph
good revs
I got this ball used from a friend and drileld this up with a stacked layout I believe with the pin above the ring and cg kic out a bit. This ball is great for dry. Goes long and at mid lane startes to rev up and makes a turn not a sharp turn but a good turn into the pocket.
The first time I used this ball in league I shot 752 which is my high series. With a 290 the first game I used it and then a 233, then 229. This is a great ball I give it a 9 out of 10.
Thanks storm keep it up.
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Mike
PINS EVERY WHERE!
Post by: morpheus on January 06, 2003, 04:11:28 PM
Post by: ken823 on January 06, 2003, 10:49:46 PM
are available,not for dry,but its all been
said before.right time,right place.
Post by: Loki on February 25, 2003, 03:59:48 PM
Good Work Storm
Loki
Post by: jpk871 on April 23, 2003, 11:59:54 AM
Post by: BrianN on May 30, 2003, 11:45:13 AM
I have a terrible track record with Storm equipment. Of the 5 or 6 I've thrown, Thunder Flash has been the only Storm I've had real success with, when I took a lot of revs out of this cover-strong ball. I borrowed a Too Hot to try out 18 months ago. The only place I could use it was on a short, fast-transitioning shot on light oil. I had no other shot with it, and eventually settled on a mild urethane here.
In searching for leagues for next season, I learned that I'll be on a shot where I can't get my 1:30 ScreamR long enough. It's a nasty little short oil strip block without a lot of hold inside, a dry strip 8 - 10, 3 - 7 is heavier, and dust on 1-2. Tough carry once you get there too, which rules out a 3-piece. Recalling my experiences with it, and some of the recent release changes I've made, my shop had a price too good to pass up on a Too Hot with a decent pin (2 3/4"), so I thought I'd try it again.
It was a big advantage having thrown one of these before getting it drilled. Even though the core slightly overmatches the cover, Curleyon is mild enough to get long without drilling the ball to death. I wanted some length and roundness to the breakpoint while still leaving the ball reasonably strong. I put the pin beside the ring, CG out about an inch and on the centerline. No reason to risk cutting the statics close, so we put a modest weight hole on the PAP to bring it to 13/16ths side.
As long as I keep the pin away from the bridge, CG-out on a pearl seems to matchup well with the small swing I naturally play. Also, it behaves better in transition, allowing me to stay with the ball longer. Too Hot will never, ever be a carrydown ball, but this seems to get me an extra frame or two in transition, where I lose most of my sticks.
This drilling does fine, still plenty long ("effortless length" is what I wrote down at the time), moving about 12 boards round-trip from the outside. While several feet longer and slightly more angular, the overall move was not that much smaller than the Boost (which is billed as a big oil ball?), and it carries at least as well. It behaved as well as anything could on this shot, with a predictable skid/roll move.
Once you understand how to use them, these Thunder cores have nice roll characteristics. The biggest mistake I think you can make, and this is one of my many sins, is to force them into a roll too early. Too Hot definitely likes to be thrown its way. If you loft, lift and hit up on it, you'll hate it. I think this is where some of the reviews come from that characterize the hit as thin, brittle, prone to leave corners.
It seems best suited to the 'less is more' stroker/power stroker game. To my mind, Too Hot is really more an outside line kind of ball. It's not what I'd reach for if I needed to get inside 15.
Overall, I'd say the Too Hot is a nice little pearl that many people will be able to score well with on the lighter patterns. It's the mildest 2-piece resin I'm aware of, but I have not yet thrown a SonicX. It sits noticeably under my mildest release with Scream/R and has a different look, so it's worth having.
Ratings:
Giving it an overall 8, but not everything that counts can be counted.
Control: 8. Had a generally good look and handled well on some of the lighter sport patterns I've tried it on. No big overreaction on the backend like you get from some of the stronger pearls.
Versatility: 7.5. Best on the light to lighter-medium patterns; plenty of ball for the majority of league shots I see. Wish I'd had this guy on the codger block last winter - it could've meant another 5 sticks.
In my opinion, the best light oil resin option for the lower-rev styles. A much better choice than an n-piece for these conditions. Half a point off for being somewhat style-specific.
Hit and carry: 8. Very good, but only if you have a style that matches up. It needs to skid and roll on its own terms, not yours.
Post by: A_P_K on September 15, 2003, 12:36:25 AM
I'd like to say thanks to Tommy Semiz and David over at 11th Frame proshop for their ingenuity at laying out my Too Hot, they gave me exactly what I was looking for.
I wanted to use this on a wood second/broken down shift short oil pattern that could leave other balls way too strong. What I have is a ball that slides down the lane very easily with or without alot of head oil. If there's no oil on the backends it will move nicely to the pocket, not sharp nor weak but just right. The move is very even and smooth and very controllable. The hit and carry is better than average, but flat hits will leave nightmares in the form of 7-10 splits.
Long oils and carrydown are a no no because this ball with the layout on it hate that stuff. Also too much dry/dirt can cause the ball to check up too early.
Overall considering my usage of the Too Hot it is a great ball that I use during most of league play.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
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Post by: davidellisonispcom on August 18, 2004, 07:55:08 PM
Drilled Storm layout 2
Lane Conditions: Very Dry
Played 10
Weight of bowling ball: 16
Surface of bowling ball: 1500 Polished (Out of box)
Likes: None. Might make a nice spare ball
Dislikes: Rolled and rolled and rolled. That's all it did. Slower ball speeds and higher revs and this ball still barely did anything.
5 out of 10
Post by: Airplay on February 18, 2005, 08:11:15 AM
Ball speed: 14-16 mph
Ball: 16 lbs 4" pin 3+ top weight
Pin over and between fingers
cg under ring finger
Lanes played: Wood and Synthetic
conditions: Med/Light
I use this ball at league where I used to think the oil was medium. I have since firmed up my release by keeping my wrist firm. I cup my wrist at the top of my backswing. This creates lots of revs or at least more than I used to have. I now play way left. I also don't use the stronger balls I used to. My Deuce gets no play now. My X Factor is my strong ball now. Even at the local tournaments I don't get to use my Deuce. My Too Hot is a step down from my X. Only about two boards at my feet, but my Too Hot clears the heads better. My carry percentage with the TooHot is much higher. If I get it to the pocket, I usally get strikes. I leave easier spares with my TooHot, so my spare percentage is higher also. I don't leave many 10 pins. The TooHot doesn't make a leap at the breakpoint like my X. It is very controllable. It gives length and a strong arc at the breakpoint. My X Factor is still my favorite ball but my TooHot is catching up. I use my TooHot about half the time. It is just stubborness. I should use it all the time. Actually, I could use something a step down with hitting power. Very nice control ball.
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