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coco3085

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1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« on: December 02, 2013, 10:18:45 PM »
throwing a difiant soul.  love the ball and the predictability I am getting from the ball.  would like something that maybe gives me just a bit more pop on the back-end.  Thinking the lucid.  4000 sanded pearl, verses my 4000 sanded hybrid?  what do you guys think?

not looking for a bunch just a board of snap on the back would be good.  have a reign for skid flip, just want a bit of hit.

 

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Re: 1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2013, 11:50:28 PM »
A board is not much at all and adding a Lucid would be overlap. I think a Deranged would be a more logical step down.
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Re: 1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2013, 12:01:07 AM »
northface28- I think he is looking to have a ball above the Soul, which is probably why he was thinking the Lucid.
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Re: 1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2013, 04:58:26 AM »
Possible to change hand positions and release with more axis rotation to give more pop for better carry with the same ball? 
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Re: 1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2013, 08:24:30 AM »
An arsenal should be built with a minimum of 3 boards between pieces...otherwise you merely have too many duplications, more so than you imagine...
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Re: 1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2013, 09:13:07 AM »
Why not just move your feet a board or board and a half closer to the dry?
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Re: 1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2013, 11:08:12 AM »
1 to 1 1/2...as it was already said isn't enough.

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Re: 1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2013, 07:42:36 PM »
I feel that I have a pretty good release already so changing my release probably isn't an issue . I bowl on synthetic overlays , and I'm looking for something that's going to give a little pop on the back end , because my defiant soul after a game or game and a half , rolls out just a bit . moving doesn't seem to help this problem .that's why I was thinking sanded pearl vs sanded hybrid . if you've ever bowled on overlays , you know once the area is gone its just gone no matter where you move .

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Re: 1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2013, 08:55:08 PM »
The ball is more than likely burning up and need a slightly cleaner cover with a pin up hole down...you're losing energy in the fronts and going to a stronger cover with get earlier burn and less motion down lane
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Re: 1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2013, 08:59:29 PM »
If your ball hooked 1 to 1.5 boards more you likely wont be able to see the difference to know.

You could easily modify your current ball to do that, or buy the exact same ball and drill it to be a bit more then the one you are throwing. You are literally trying to split something very small. You will likely need it to be a good 5 board or better so you can see the difference.




« Last Edit: December 03, 2013, 09:01:03 PM by kidlost2000 »
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: 1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2013, 09:11:50 PM »
I took my ball to 4000 natural....meaning 500/1000/2000/4000 surface and got more backend and more versatilty. Still handles oil very well....ob is 500/4000
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Re: 1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2013, 09:30:15 PM »
thanks everybody for the good advice .

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Re: 1 to 1 1/2 boards more backend than defiant soul
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2013, 07:38:49 AM »
I feel that I have a pretty good release already so changing my release probably isn't an issue . I bowl on synthetic overlays , and I'm looking for something that's going to give a little pop on the back end , because my defiant soul after a game or game and a half , rolls out just a bit . moving doesn't seem to help this problem .that's why I was thinking sanded pearl vs sanded hybrid . if you've ever bowled on overlays , you know once the area is gone its just gone no matter where you move .

I don't think anyone was meaning for you to "retool" your game, but just a subtle hand position change will alter the shape of your bowling ball through the back part of the lane. As far as the overlay is concerned, are you talking about Guardian, which is very soft, and only breaks down, which would have your bowling ball over hooking, and not slowing down and turning the corner weak; or are you talking about synthetic panels like HPL, DBA, Pro-Anvilane, etc.., being placed over the existing wood lanes, in which case, is %95 of bowling lanes in America that have converted to synthetic, as it isn't near as cost effective to completely rip out the wood, and start fresh? If it is the later, then what happens is, the synthetic lanes takes to the "shape" of the the wood, and what ever topography you had with the wood, is then seen through onto the synthetic. In any event, unless the lanes are AMF HPL, they are often crowned and lead to the ball wanting to push right, as the night goes on, and the pattern becomes "longer" due to the oil moving downlane. A simple bump right would get you back into the pocket, and eliminate the weak ten or seven pin hits. I know a lot of people talk about "burning up", but I just don't think that happens as often as general consensus says it does. Storm did a video about ball surface with the use of Earl, the machine that the USBC uses to test equipment. They put fresh surface on a Nano, and threw it at 4000, 2000, 1000, 500, and 360. Every shot hooked more and more, which contradicts a ball "burning" up(Surface is your freind as long as you can still get the ball through the front of the lane to the midlane). Chances are, you may have just enough surface on the ball to get off the spot when the pattern is fresh, and backends clean, but not enough surface for the ball to continue through the carrydown as the night progresses and as oil starts clogging the pores of your bowling ball. Either way, a simple bump right would help. Often times switching to a weaker ball to "save energy" only allows the ball to skid further outside at the break-point, and hit drier boards, thus giving the illusion that the ball has "saved energy", when in fact what has happened, is you are now going around the pattern that has carried down, and with enough games bowled, provided the fronts hold up, the same thing will eventually happen.

If you are talking about the lane just breaking down, and the ball won't skid to the same spot, then maybe look at a Marvel Pearl, or try a Totally Defiant, as it is the pearl to the Defiant Soul.

Hope some of this info helps.
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