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Dyno-Joe

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2 Fast = Dyno-Thane Vendetta Pearl?
« on: June 29, 2010, 02:35:59 AM »
I was just looking at the core numbers for both balls and I noticed that the 2Fast is the latest ball with relatively close core numbers to the Vendetta Pearl. Rg of both being at 2.53 and the diffs being .042 in the VP and .045 in the 2Fast. I know the 2Fast will be stronger in cover comparing it to the VP, but will it be much stronger than the Vendetta when it was released? Just wondering if the 2Fast could give me the same thing I had in the Vendetta. The Vendetta had a 2 inch pin to pap, pin like 2 inches above the midline, and no hole. Surface was OOB. Hope someone can chime in.

 

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Re: 2 Fast = Dyno-Thane Vendetta Pearl?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2010, 02:34:32 AM »
Any ideas?

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Re: 2 Fast = Dyno-Thane Vendetta Pearl?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2010, 04:46:54 AM »
IMHO, considering the core, coverstock, RG and Diff numbers, and the advancements in technology over the last seven years I would recommend... the Tropical Heat. Maybe someone else will chime in. The VP was a nice ball, very smooth off the breakpoint. The Tropical Heat has a similar look to me.

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Re: 2 Fast = Dyno-Thane Vendetta Pearl?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2010, 12:36:16 AM »
With the numbers being so close, you think the core would be much stronger? Another thing is I loved 2.53, had a few balls that had that as the value and they rolled great for me. So I am thinking of just going with it anyways no matter what lol. There haven''t been too many balls at 2.53 lately

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Re: 2 Fast = Dyno-Thane Vendetta Pearl?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2010, 01:23:32 AM »
Do you think there is much difference between 2.53 and say 2.56? Considering those numbers change as soon as you put your first hole in the ball how do you know what the finished numbers are? They are not 2.53 by any means.

Pin placement and cover prep would be the bigger factors in you bowling ball decision.

Keep your same drilling and find something with a similar coverstock.

http://www.morichbowling.com/Drilling/The_Truth_about_Drilled_Balls.pdf
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Re: 2 Fast = Dyno-Thane Vendetta Pearl?
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2010, 02:06:59 AM »
Kidlost, not meant to be a stab, but you are telling me things I already know. Yes the numbers would change, you are taking mass out of the bowling ball when you drill. But having them close as a reference is a nice little help in my decision to me. Numbers don't lie, like it says in your quote. And the numbers are telling me there is a difference between 2.53 and 2.56.

Just for whatever reason the few balls I have had over the years that had the rg value of 2.53 just stood out to me. No idea why, just could be a dumb luck factor, coincidence, or something that matches to my ball roll better. To me it's just like someone loving a certain cover, or a certain layout. Just another factor to the ever changing world of bowling and bowling ball technology lol.

I like the idea of the Tropical Heat, weaker cover than R2S that is also appears to be a little stronger off the spot. Just looking for a logical replacement for a beloved ball

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Re: 2 Fast = Dyno-Thane Vendetta Pearl?
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2010, 02:17:07 AM »
So all the bowling balls with the 2.53 RG are drilled the same? Did they all have the same Dif?
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Re: 2 Fast = Dyno-Thane Vendetta Pearl?
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2010, 02:26:13 AM »
What were the RG and Difs of ones that didn't work?
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Re: 2 Fast = Dyno-Thane Vendetta Pearl?
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2010, 02:46:48 AM »
No they weren't drilled the same and no they did not have the same diff.

Off the top of my head, balls with 2.5 and .06 I did not care for. Those were the numbers for the Black Widow cores. I had 3 different Widows, plugged 2 of them, tons of surface changes, and just did not like any of them after an extended period of time.

And like I said before, just looking back at the 3 or 4 balls that I had that came out of factory at 2.53, they all stood out to me in one way or another. Just seeing if I could get that again. And I would love to have an updated Vendetta Pearl. Favorite ball of all time for me.

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Re: 2 Fast = Dyno-Thane Vendetta Pearl?
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010, 03:18:33 AM »
Not seen the VP in 15lbs NIB for a while but 16s are still here and there on ebay. Finding bowling balls around 2.53 and .042 dif isn't too hard. It is the norm for most. Considering it can vary from 2.488 to 2.572 after drilling it covers a lot of bowling balls available. Not many bowling balls come along with such high difs like .06, Most stay around the .05 range. Although Motiv has the Cruel coming out which has a .06+ dif.

I use a lot of Brunswick and the Wild Thing, Rattler, and Python would fit in that range. Not to mention the covers would give you a very similar look. My Wild Thing has been a super ball this past season. The cover is very forgiving and not real jumpy off the dry. It is my go to ball out of the bag.
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Re: 2 Fast = Dyno-Thane Vendetta Pearl?
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2010, 07:47:49 PM »
Cover trumps core everytime- keep that in mind. RG is the most influential core dynamic to the overall amount your ball hooks per the USBC Ball Motion Study, however you must keep in mind it was like the 8th most influential factor behind a myriad of other things- mostly relating to surface contact related items (before I get crucified, that's off the top of my head where the ranking is concerned, hence the reason I used the qualification "like," so don't be mad if its 7th or something).

Outside of that, the more abstact world of cores would indicate that there is a big fundamental difference between the cores in shape even if there isn't much difference in the published RG and Diffs. The core in the Vendetta line was very tall and relatively skinny, much like those WW2 German grenades. Theoretically even with little variance in distribution of the mass inside of the ball, the simple difference in overall shape should change its lope and how it progresses in terms of differential throughout axis migration. Short of someone finding a way to reissue that weight block from the Vendetta, it may be hard to create that sort of ball motion again, unfortunately. I did love me some Vendetta.... I couldn't throw it now anyway given my status as a Roto staff member, but I can promise I would sell balls with that block in them, especially in the centers my 2 shops are in. Hopefully that helps.