Post by: SRW on December 26, 2005, 06:26:31 AM
I think it is the biggest load of c**p that has ever hit the sport. it is said that he averages 250+ but no one else in the center averages 210.
I think this is nonsense, also no word on the sanction from the usbc. Is this the biggest hoax ever??!
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Post by: catchaclue on December 26, 2005, 02:45:02 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 26, 2005, 05:01:28 PM
Seriously?
REGards,
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PS this is a fact and it has been written somewhere?
Could anyone post a reference or link? That would be truly sad as Waterskiing a sport I love to follow(and wish I was better at) just went thru a similar scandal!
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 26, 2005, 05:05:55 PM
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 26, 2005, 05:43:31 PM
I have found no claims of fraud regarding these 900s on the web!
I was fortunate once upon a time to have a chance at golf's magic number and got stopped by rain...believing you can do it and believing you can do it plus having some ability is the key.
I remember bowling a few times in pot games and thinking...if I only could have a touch more speed and a little more loft...all of these 30 some consecutive pocket hits would be carrying!
I believe what this kid is claiming is possible if one does not set limits on themselves. We have a kid that bowls in our leagues(about 21) that I believe when he is going should be able to do the same if he doesn't tighten up!
For this kid in our center the 279s are piling up it seems every night...and most of em look like they are not 300s only because of bad luck! Several 300s in the meantime! The condition is not easy for normal guys but with speed, loft control and about 400 rpms it looks a lot easier than for the average guy!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS there is a guy right down the road from Mr. Mushtare(sp) that has had I think ann 898 and a 880 or 890 just featured in American Bowler. I'm sure another power player!
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Post by: Let It Bleed on December 26, 2005, 09:50:36 PM
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Post by: TheAxeEffect415 on December 26, 2005, 10:01:16 PM
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Post by: Rev_O on December 26, 2005, 10:14:40 PM
hell, even on my "wall", my high set last season was 848. i did have 3 sets in the 840's last season though. highest ever for me is 855, back in 01
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Post by: Let It Bleed on December 27, 2005, 01:46:43 AM
"Congratulations Robert Mushtare! Rolling the new STORM Paradigm, the 17 year old scored a perfect 900 series!"
Storm's using this to try and sell more bowling balls, which is perfectly understandable, but the USBC still hasn't approved it yet. This would be a good publicity opportunity for the USBC, but its been well over a month without approval. Something is definitely up.
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Post by: Gene J Kanak on December 27, 2005, 09:05:43 AM
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Post by: nd300 on December 27, 2005, 09:18:03 AM
So,for TWO 900's in league,and another two 900's in practice---allegedly during Pre Bowl-----Should the lanes be shut down???? I'd think that sonce four pairs had to have been used,they'd have to do this.
Anyone???????????????..............
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Post by: iommifan on December 27, 2005, 10:50:49 AM
Post by: Brodieman on December 27, 2005, 11:18:05 AM
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Post by: MD 300 on December 27, 2005, 11:47:44 AM
I think he should !!!
This would send a message to ANYONE who thinks about doing this in the future !!
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Post by: nd300 on December 27, 2005, 12:06:37 PM
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Post by: MD 300 on December 27, 2005, 12:52:50 PM
ANYONE who is associated with this hoax should be banned from bowling by the USBC !!!!!
Post by: TheAxeEffect415 on December 27, 2005, 01:07:47 PM
I believe this situation with this kid theres something going on here. Four 900 series seems to be not just alittle hard to believe but VERY hard to believe. If this is true and they find this was a hoax creditability will be shot and I believe it should earn them a life time suspension from the USBC and if the house harbored this is anyway the center should have the same punishment. I mean I see guys roll 800s every week think I'm lying www.stevecookclassic.com great bowlers there and I'm sure there are leagues like this around the country. Just hard to believe. -Axe
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 27, 2005, 01:14:35 PM
I have heard one guy on here say he has heard it was fake BUT...where is the verification of any alleged cheating. Not on the blogs on Bowl.com...not anywhere but here.
I may end up being proven wrong but I believe the kid. I've seen his comments on bowl.com and remember he is from a very conservative area of the county.
My Mom is a graduate of the same high school......a long time ago. Very conservative almost farm country.
I believe a guy in our house could shoot 900 any day! There are guys that good on league conditions and from the tape I saw this seems like just the type of powerhouse kid that COULD do it!
REgards,
Luckylefty
Would the person who alleged cheating show the link to the allegations if there are any!
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Post by: a_ak57 on December 27, 2005, 01:17:12 PM
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Post by: TheAxeEffect415 on December 27, 2005, 01:34:11 PM
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Post by: MD 300 on December 27, 2005, 01:34:34 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on December 27, 2005, 01:43:55 PM
I haven't seen it anywhere else.
I know two guys in our area last year went 300 300 and then got stopped due to etiher poweroutages or in another case a lady on adjoining lane got gas and they stopped for 45 minutes for her to decide that was it!
Both thought they could have gone all the way.
I have seen this kid's video...He is just the type of bowler to be able to do it!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I still want the fellow who made cheating allegations ot reference them for us or tell us where he heard it! Saw the Rack...could you fill us in!
PPS since I almost accomplished golf's equivalent one lovely day...I am aware of what it takes to do these types of things BELIEF...almost a stupid belief!
IT can be done! I think I can do it ...don't you!? My stupidy along these lines has paid off in bowling also!
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Post by: a_ak57 on December 27, 2005, 01:47:12 PM
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Post by: SteveAustin2808 on December 27, 2005, 02:07:36 PM
Here is the deal...I'm with Gene...until USBC makes the decision, I'll reserve judgement until everything is said and done...If something is proved that the 900s are a hoax, as one user said in this forum...he will definitely have a hard time gaining his credibility back...but if USBC approves all this, then whatever we all think about it means nothing because they have the final say so...if he did accomplish the feat, then congratulations, but if something is proved that he cheated then he will be the one who will have to live with this for the rest of his life...and I'm sure NO ONE will ever let him live it down either...God Bless you all and to Robert, I'm praying you are not a liar...
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Post by: Nodsleinad on December 27, 2005, 02:11:29 PM
Sounds fishy.....
Nod
Post by: nd300 on December 27, 2005, 02:22:32 PM
I'm simply pointing out that there are rules about what he did. Reading about the Steve Cook league humbles me. I'd love to be in a house with a shot like that so that I could learn to throw the ball really well. But, I'm also not complaining about the house that I do bowl in. Yes, the shot is there and pretty much the same every week now,but I also agree that you do have to be able to execute a good shot. Sometimes you get rewarded and score well,but I've also had those weeks when being off just that same amount left you spares and splits,not strikes.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 27, 2005, 02:50:13 PM
An even better more versatile bowler in the area was until recently listed by the ABC as the second most 300s in his bowling carreer. I saw him shoot 868.
At a house with about 3 or 4 a year.
At another center with an easier shot I bowled with him and with a couple of missed 10 pins he shot 760 ...258. I felt he should have gotten results of 879..300. Only one shot was even slightly off.
I think this kid has just the right mentality(doesn't overthink) and a very powerful (good loft game) and a very powerful physique.
There was a guy named Billy Dunk in Australia. All over Australia he broke course records...very often he wouldn't win the tourney. He'd go like 73...62..71..70. He was not greater than Jack Nicklaus but Niclaus would travel over there a bit and could never break the course records that Billy Dunk could.
One thing most of you are right about....most of you could never shoot 900...you'd probably get in your own way....calculating quadratic equations regarding the probabliliy of you doing it after about the 15th ball.
As a guy who probably isn't as good as most of you....I'll tell you I have had 24 out of 26 twice while in competition(once for HUGE money)..unfortunately 7 to 9 were in warmups.
I thought everyone of the 26 should have struck....again I am not as good as many of the big guns on this site....the difference I think I CAN!
Everyday NO...but when right...I'm a gonna get out of my own way!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS Jon Brandon on this site went into the 9th frame of the 3rd game going for 900 this year(BigBully). It can BE done!
If I had the power of this guy Robert M I think I would have a few myself!
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Post by: MD 300 on December 27, 2005, 02:55:55 PM
Post by: a_ak57 on December 27, 2005, 02:59:29 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 27, 2005, 03:36:20 PM
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS on one of my computers I have difficulty getting messages from ballreviews and cannot check them till at night. That is my situation now...right now!
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Post by: Speedburner89 on December 27, 2005, 03:47:14 PM
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Post by: Hex017 on December 27, 2005, 04:07:23 PM
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Post by: Cbjdc on December 27, 2005, 08:04:09 PM
BAN HIM IF THIS IS SERIOUS. If not then I apologize but right now I think he is fake and will always be fake.
Post by: bowler247 on December 27, 2005, 09:03:17 PM
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Post by: Scolai on December 27, 2005, 09:10:23 PM
Perhaps I'l pose this question to the calculus teacher where I work to see what she comes up with.
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Post by: a_ak57 on December 27, 2005, 09:12:24 PM
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Does anyone have the video of him bowling. Storm took it down and i cant find it. If someone can put it up .. itd be greatly appreciated.
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Post by: laufaye on December 27, 2005, 09:56:52 PM
Maybe next week someone will start a thread saying he saw a kid shot back to back 1200s
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 27, 2005, 10:54:13 PM
I've seen the video...I believe he has the ability to do it!
On a very sweet condition.
I believe from listening to him that he is the perfect guy to do it!
Not a rocket scientist just straight forward powerful guy. No second thoughts and once he did it!
Just had a guy in our league shoot 770. He throws it great but puts it on the lane too quick.....what is that, 5 10 pins?
I like the way this kid throws better. A really high scoring game lots of hand speed and loft from a very powerful lookin kid.
In Baseball there was Babe Ruth at 60 and no one could past it. In running the 4 minute mile and no one could get past it! After he did it many surpassed it in weeks. In weightlifting for the clean and jerk 500 pounds no one could past it...once one guy did it many did in the next few months.....in broad jump there was 27 -10....then one night in Mexico City a man goes 29 feet 2 inches and no one could believe it...then it took 25 years for someone to believe!
and surpass.
REgards,
Luckylefty
Instead of complaining about this kid...maybe it's time we all get out of our way and tried to shoot one ourselves....didn't Norm Duke shoot 1200 over two squads(4 games) on the tour once?
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Post by: nd300 on December 27, 2005, 11:05:57 PM
I believe he did---Norm Duke that is. But you're talking about a pro of such good caliber that I can see that happening. And there would have to be one of the pros at one time or another that has shot back to back 300 games during their week of qualifying.
But look at what you said---Didn't Norm Duke do it once?????---ONCE.
For this young man to have done it 4 TIMES in 60 days is just statistically almost impossible.
Lucky, I'm not insulting you or arguing with you on this point. I'm just respectfully pointing out that this is a little hard to swallow is all that I'm saying.
Even on bowl.com, or maybe it was the Tour site, I saw an odds calculation that a man bowls a 300 game once every 3,000 games. So,he's bowled 36,000 games worth of perfection in two months.
Whatever he's on, I want some------------lol.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 27, 2005, 11:26:31 PM
This kie is doing on a blended top hat!!! Thsi kid is much more powerful of an individual and throws a more powerful ball than Norm!!!
If Norme decided to forego tour and bowl only on a block...don't you think he could shoot 1200 again.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on December 28, 2005, 12:08:13 AM
You are comparing apples to oranges here. Norm Duke to a 17 year old kid..are you serious? I had people on this site tell me you could not compare Chris Collins' wife to Diandra Asbaty simply because of an age difference when the topic was asking if we thought the wife was a hottie. Let's face it. With the strength of today's bowling balls, it is WAY TOO EASY to leave a back row pin on a pocket shot; especially with a power game. As with someone going to court, it isn't what we believe. It is only what we can prove. Mr. 900 here has yet to prove anything outside of claiming he shot 900 four separate times. All he is proving right now is just how gullable we really are. Should not believe everything we hear.
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Post by: ThongPrincess on December 28, 2005, 01:04:16 AM
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Ok---let's take this to the next logical question. What is done by the USBC when a 900 is claimed to have been shot??? I remember working in the old days at a center at home when a 300 was bowled. The lanes were immediately quarantined until they could be taped and checked by the Local Association Lane Committee.
A while back we had a bowler shoot the 1st two 300s and was looking like he was going to get the 3rd. As a Director on our local Women's board, I was asked to stick around...like I was going anywhere
They needed representatives from the 2 Local Associations to certify the achievement and check the equipment used immediately after he finished. I am not sure if they would have run tapes or not, but unfortunately he didn't get the last one. Ended the night with an 886, if I recall correctly.Prebowls and post bowls are eligible for honor awards and if he is a Youth bowler, that is why you can't see the leagues he bowls in. It is a protection for the youth against possible stalkers, non-costodial abductions, pedophiles, etc.
As far as the kid telling the truth or not, it sounds fishy, but then anything is possible...not probable, but possible.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 28, 2005, 08:06:17 AM
I'm just saying that the Duke man has less power(from the video I saw) and bowls on hard conditions nearly all the time. I'm sure if they bowled against each other on a tough tour condition there is no comparison and we both know who would win. On a blended shot where the pocket is easy to find...I like this guys game!
IN golf there is a similar analogy but I've been asked not to make those comparisons.
The bottom line is some guys in many sports are unbelievable in easy conditions...other guys are not so good on easy but rise to the top on tough.
Two different skill sets!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: axeweldr on December 28, 2005, 08:10:21 AM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 28, 2005, 08:15:41 AM
Two different skill sets!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Ramtart on December 28, 2005, 09:39:50 AM
For those of you who are curious about what his style is like, check out the video.
He is being interviewed with a few shots of him rolling his ball.
His father was also interviewed for the segment.
Provided by WNNY in New York
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Post by: Gene J Kanak on December 28, 2005, 09:51:23 AM
1. He did it while pre-bowling. I remember from my youth days that several of my league counterparts always seemed to shoot their best numbers during pre-bowl, when nobody was there to verify what was going on. Heck this was even back in the ancient days of manual scoring!
2. Nobody even really noticed? I don't know about you guys and gals, but if I knew that a bowler in my house was good enough to make a run at 900 on any given day, I'd probably get over to his pair and keep my eye on what he was doing, just because I think it would be very cool to watch.
3. We all know that there are hundreds of great bowlers across the country, and none of them have ever managed to carry 36 in a row one time, let alone 4 in 45 days.
Again, I hope that the kid is legit. It would be a mind-blowing accomplishment. It's mind blowing to throw 900 once in a lifetime, let alone 4 times. Still something just doesn't seem right. I know a lot of bowlers who pack the hole every shot of every night on easy conditions, and none of them have even 1 900. I understand Lefty's point about believing in yourself, but, to me, this is more than just mental. You have to be remarkably talented and fortunate to carry 36 in a row. Most bowlers, even great, will never see that much good fortune once in their liftetimes. How has this kid managed to find it 4 times in a month and a half?
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 28, 2005, 10:01:53 AM
Also....I have never heard two things.
1. The accusations by Saw the Rack...anywhere but near the top of this thread.
2. That it was in prebowling unless it was in the interview...I did not listened...I just watched and thought...I could see him throwin 900!
(I know the last 900 I heard about from Pennsylvania wass thrown prebowling but had not heard that on this one).
REgards,
Lucylefty
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Post by: duvallite on December 28, 2005, 04:20:26 PM
Post by: MD 300 on December 28, 2005, 04:35:22 PM
I have a better chance at climbing the Empire State Building with my bare hands and make it to the top with out falling !!!! This will go down as one of the biggest hoaxes in the history of bowling and maybe sports in general !!!!!
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